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VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

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RNasc4444

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Miru I think I know the reasons, but Katie why?

...no particular affection for Laia's napkin
Completely disagree here. The plot changes made characters act differently to what we have seen from them before. As a direct consequence of the plot changes. I lost all interest in Katie and Miru after this update because I felt like they were no longer quite the same characters that chapter 3 had presented.

Take Miru at the bar for example. Without any input from the player she went further than her character had gone before. She didn't just assist in the shakedown of the bar owner. She went above and beyond what Emilio and his goons would have done by threatening him the way she did. I don't think I need to provide any Katie example. Basically any conversation with her in chapter 4 shows the shift her character suffered.
All interactions with Katie in the new chapter felt off to me but I couldn't pinpoint why. I assumed it was because it was tied closely to the mafia plot I don't like. But when I installed alain's mod and was comparing script it dawned on me why it all felt off. Their dynamic just doesn't work anymore.

It's clear to anyone with half a brain that Ocean tried to replace the sibling taboo, which feels natural to all of us because incest is not socially acceptable, with a manufactured taboo of random mafia rules that dictate that she can fuck Zoey but not William for some reason. So under this new dynamic their sibling bond doesn't exist anymore and the teasing between them doesn't work. In chapter 4 Katie is threatening to a level that feels mean spirited. It's like she's itching to have something over William. It feels like she's trying to take advantage of him, especially when the interest variable is activated.

It feels wrong to me. It makes more sense that that would hate each other and see themselves as adversaries. That's why I feel like her entire personality shifted. She isn't the same Katie from ch1-3.
The new plot direction ruined the character for me. I don't think her dynamic with William works anymore. If you look at both the bathroom and the couch scene with her, she is used as exposition for the most ridiculously retarded "mob rules" I've ever seen in a piece of media. So this "tension" between them just feels moronic. It's artificially created by random, ludicrous "rules" in a poor attempt at replacing the former reason for that very tension. Which was the big no no word that starts with "I" :ROFLMAO:
 

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The new plot direction ruined the character for me. I don't think her dynamic with William works anymore. If you look at both the bathroom and the couch scene with her, she is used as exposition for the most ridiculously retarded "mob rules" I've ever seen in a piece of media. So this "tension" between them just feels moronic. It's artificially created by random, ludicrous "rules" in a poor attempt at replacing the former reason for that very tension. Which was the big no no word that starts with "I" :ROFLMAO:
Yes, some relationships need some tweaking.
 
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LHDLLB

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I just lost Miru and Katie in chapter 4 so I'm praying he doesn't fuck up Kat and Mon for me in the next one. Gina and Zoey stonks also on an upward trend. Hopefully it continues that way. Also wouldn't mind seeing more of Taylor :sneaky:
Zoey ? Really ? Don't find her too big ?
 

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Zoey ? Really ? Don't find her too big ?
I do! Absolutely do which is why neither her nor Gina really caught my eye. But personality matters too. I've always loved Gina and Zoey is growing on me more and more. If this keeps going there will eventually be a point where I'll tolerate the physical traits I don't find attractive.
 
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Dr.TSoni

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Zoey ? Really ? Don't find her too big ?
I do! Absolutely do which is why neither her nor Gina really caught my eye. But personality matters too. I've always loved Gina and Zoey is growing on me more and more. If this keeps going there will eventually be a point where I'll tolerate the physical traits I don't find attractive.
If I may add my two cents, at least they have human proportions.
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LHDLLB

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I do! Absolutely do which is why neither her nor Gina really caught my eye. But personality matters too. I've always loved Gina and Zoey is growing on me more and more. If this keeps going there will eventually be a point where I'll tolerate the physical traits I don't find attractive.
That is fair
 
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TheSweetEvilKing

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Um ive missed something in the story , can someone please tell me who Daphne is and her relationship to MC ? Thankyou in Advance:)
 

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Passion lasts for a limited time. Even though I still praise Ocean's creative level at present, the fact is that his works really take many years to complete ( assuming he will persist until they are completed ), but by then I will probably have lost myself in the trivial matters of life.
 
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