VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[DA22]

Why would the Pool BJ and the fingering near the dead passed out gang member add to Miru's NTR counter?

Wouldn't it be better to have separated variables for her exhibitionism, frustration/horniness and NTR, because I can see people getting upset about future confusion. Unless I misunderstood from what you all have been posting.

Trouble is you get to many variables then that also need to have some pay off. Add another year to the game. Also it is already hard enough to do NTR believable in a game like this where players make choices from a male MC's perspective and keep a female character believable as an independent person with own life and motives. If all her reactions are purley based on MC's action.

I had that problem for example in a game with a boy that just met a succubus and basically that boy, who cared much about his independent mom that had taken care of both of them for 15 years, on his decision could pimp his mom out to her boss so he had a more comfortable bed. Basically destroying any illusion she was an adult independent woman with a brain or him a loving son. I get why that dev did that from a game mechanics perspective so he could keep it avoidable if people wanted, the impact it had for me on game was kind of bad though.

 

[yossa999]

Why would the Pool BJ and the fingering near the dead passed out gang member add to Miru's NTR counter?

Wouldn't it be better to have separated variables for her exhibitionism, frustration/horniness and NTR, because I can see people getting upset about future confusion. Unless I misunderstood from what you all have been posting.

Because the MC acts like a bitch
He teases her but doesn't let her release, so she has to look elsewhere for it.
At least that's how I understand it, otherwise it's damn controversial, some sexual activities increase "mhy" counter and others decrease it.

 

[NebulousShooter]

confusing people is the point. but that one is pretty clear, the counter is for horniness so it makes sense that it gets increased when she gets blueballed

She finishes the BJ and she cums from being fingered. Is anything not ending with dick in her pussy unsatisfying for her? Also using that to also increase the chance she cheats feels wrong, idk, I guess we will see.

Trouble is you get to many variables then that also need to have some pay off. Add another year to the game. Also it is already hard enough to do NTR believable in a game like this where players make choices from a male MC's perspective and keep a female character believable as an independent person with own life and motives. If all her reactions are purley based on MC's action.

I had that problem for example in a game with a boy that just met a succubus and basically that boy, who cared much about his independent mom that had taken care of both of them for 15 years, on his decision could pimp his mom out to her boss so he had a more comfortable bed. Basically destroying any illusion she was an adult independent woman with a brain or him a loving son. I get why that dev did that from a game mechanics perspective so he could keep it avoidable if people wanted, the impact it had for me on game was kind of bad though.

I remember in one of the first tutorials on renpy and VNs in general that I've seen, said that it's better to have many variables that you don't use than to realize later that you need to rework one in and risk borking saves.

 

[yossa999]

confusing people is the point. but that one is pretty clear, the counter is for horniness so it makes sense that it gets increased when she gets blueballed

Yeah, "mhy" is either "Miru is HornY", or "Miru Hates You"

 

[DA22]

She finishes the BJ and she cums from being fingered. Is anything not ending with dick in her pussy unsatisfying for her? Also using that to also increase the chance she cheats feels wrong, idk, I guess we will see.

I remember in one of the first tutorials on renpy and VNs in general that I've seen, said that it's better to have many variables that you don't use than to realize later that you need to rework one in and risk borking saves.

True, you should have all the variables you want in at start if possible but a game/story can always grow if the charactersd and story speaks to a dev while developing it, having variables in that you use and do not have any pay off or use in story itself though is unnecessary coding and only increase chances of bugs and extra work done for no reason at all. And using three stats or more to decide whether Miru does or does not cheat on MC can get pretty complicated to balance in a long game that already has a lot of variables.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Talking just these two instances, denying her sex makes sense, caving into her exhibitionism and horniness yet getting punished later down the line beacuse of it feels wrong, both lore wise and mechanically.
You basically teach your player that denying her sex is bad, but then also indulging her is bad, its just confusing.

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

She finishes the BJ and she cums from being fingered. Is anything not ending with dick in her pussy unsatisfying for her? Also using that to also increase the chance she cheats feels wrong, idk, I guess we will see.

I remember in one of the first tutorials on renpy and VNs in general that I've seen, said that it's better to have many variables that you don't use than to realize later that you need to rework one in and risk boring saves.

And what did she get from the BJ except for temporary oxygen deprivation?
And in the bar scene they stop as soon as she asks William to fuck her so yeah, makes sense. Although I think that scene increases the counter only if she's already horny enough

Yeah, "mhy" is either "Miru is HornY", or "Miru Hates You"

Same thing

 

[sorco2003]

She finishes the BJ and she cums from being fingered. Is anything not ending with dick in her pussy unsatisfying for her? Also using that to also increase the chance she cheats feels wrong, idk, I guess we will see.

I remember in one of the first tutorials on renpy and VNs in general that I've seen, said that it's better to have many variables that you don't use than to realize later that you need to rework one in and risk borking saves.

Miru can cheat on you, or have lovers under the cover of the open relationship or do porn, all of that should increase with the same actions, she just has to change the trigger. On the other hand, Miru making William come should make her satisfied or horny? And for the fingered, was she more aroused because she was in the presence of someone else (albeit half dead) or because that other is male and what could transform?
I don't know if it's complicated, if you don't look at the variables, it makes a lot of sense to me that it is the way it is.

 

[NebulousShooter]

And what did she get from the BJ except for temporary oxygen deprivation?

What everyone gets from satisfying their partners

 

[alanrock]

What everyone gets from satisfying their partners

child support ?

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

No, it's your script edits that are borked. You shouldn't be removing any p, you should be adding one.

Go back to the original LewdPatcher Patch.rpy and start again. Only one line needs to be edited:

#label MiruNTR3x0Continue: # Change this
label MiruNTR3x0Continuep: # To this
    hide screen Ch3AC_3NTR
    scene afx84 with dssr
    pause
    scene afx85 with dssa
    "She pushes him slightly."

For some reason GetOutOfMyLab's fix also removes the p from jump MiruNTR3x0Continuep but that should actually be left alone (though it won't break anything).

My fix adds the 'p' to the label.



Alternatively, you could just remove 'MiruNTR3x0Continue' from the labels definition at the top and then leave the label as-is, but keeping in the spirit of how the patch uses label redirects in order to work, I opted for renaming the label with the 'p'

 

[El_Magnifico]

Is it Miru's backstory ?

 

[jonmoxley1905]

is there any page about sg ch.5 and wiab ch.3 connection

 

[Maviarab]

is there any page about sg ch.5 and wiab ch.3 connection

Lol...really?

WiAB...is...well...where it all began...SG is set some 20 years later with some of the same characters. It's the same universe.

 

[yossa999]

is there any page about sg ch.5 and wiab ch.3 connection

Not exactly what you're asking, but there are some observations on this topic can be found in this thread.
https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-where-it-all-began-observations-theories-thread.180359

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

My fix adds the 'p' to the label.

View attachment 3214690

Alternatively, you could just remove 'MiruNTR3x0Continue' from the labels definition at the top and then leave the label as-is, but keeping in the spirit of how the patch uses label redirects in order to work, I opted for renaming the label with the 'p'

Is this some relic from an older version? I've seen a ton of people post about the jump discontinuity, and the first thing I did when I downloaded and installed this game was search for the erroneous label 'MiruNTR3x0Continuep' or whichever, and found absolutely nothing by that name, labels, jumps, or calls, and it always ran flawlessly for me.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Is this some relic from an older version? I've seen a ton of people post about the jump discontinuity, and the first thing I did when I downloaded and installed this game was search for the erroneous label 'MiruNTR3x0Continuep' or whichever, and found absolutely nothing by that name, labels, jumps, or calls, and it always ran flawlessly for me.

It's only a problem for people who use the incest patch. Basically, in the patch, all labels are rewritten to fit the incest relationships and they are named as their corresponding labels, but with 'p' appended to the end. Then, script uses label redirection to redirect the jumps from the original labels to the patched labels.

Quick example, what patch.rpy would look like:

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[jonmoxley1905]

Not exactly what you're asking, but there are some observations on this topic can be found in this thread.
https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-where-it-all-began-observations-theories-thread.180359

thanks man

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

It's only a problem for people who use the incest patch. Basically, in the patch, all labels are rewritten to fit the incest relationships and they are named as their corresponding labels, but with 'p' appended to the end. Then, script uses label redirection to redirect the jumps from the original labels to the patched labels.

Quick example, what patch.rpy would look like:

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Now I'm confused, because someone else here had condescended......well that's not the right word but informed me that I wasn't playing the 'canon' version of game by treating it as non-incest, yet you need a patch to make the the relationships that way? Sounds like that's less canon.

 

[Maviarab]

Now I'm confused, because someone else here had condescended......well that's not the right word but informed me that I wasn't playing the 'canon' version of game by treating it as non-incest, yet you need a patch to make the the relationships that way? Sounds like that's less canon.

Patreon rules.

The story has always been an incest story from day one...but yeah...Patreon. That's why patches exist.