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Dr.TSoni
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I'm with Krytax on this point, the same rule applies as in the movies "if you show a gun you have to use it".
However, more than the models, the theory that the Zanes are interested in Nika&Nami is Katie's appearance in SG that creates more suspicions
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Lot's of theories here... Do you guys are bored waiting for a new fifth version of this game ?
Maybe SG and Wiab are not related... and Ocean just don't like to use the same names in two different games.
Maybe SG and Wiab are not related... and Ocean just don't like to use the same names in two different games.
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Some time ago there was a discussion between Mcguffins and Chekhov's... So it would remain first to elucidate if the situation is one or the other... a distractive object, a constructive object, flashforward or nothing, the possibilities are there.
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The idea that the WiaB villain is Nika (or Nami's) parent has occurred to me, it's a favourite speculation for the moment. But then, going Star Wars, maybe Ocean wants to do the villian as Darth Vader, and Willi and Leia as Luke and ...Leia. I would not be adverse to this kind of scenarioI think its less about the models and more about the opportunity. Its rare to have two avns like that and avn's usually lack cool male characters so the logical "cool" solution would be for one MC to be the son of the one you played before and being part of the legacy "you" started to build in wiab again.
And imo wasting this is a missed opportunity. Nika just being the son of some rando unrelated to the wiab plot would be a huge disappointment and boring.
The only other option i would consider equally satisfying would be for Nika to be the son of the villain/antagonist in wiab who maybe got killed by William. But we would need a really cool wiab antagonist for that.
Just keeping Nika and Nami in a parentless limbo would be my least favored choice, could have just given him a real family in this case or at least memorys and picture of his parents and him remembering them and their teachings (for emotions, immersion and so on). But remembering stuff isnt Nika's strong suit anyway i guess
Nika thinks he remembers his mom reading, so if we ever see any internal dialogue about the sound of someone's voice...
Well, we do enjoy trying to work it out. And as far as them being related, yes they are, the dev has said. They are in the same town, Wollust. Katie Zane, Emilio and Stefan Holgerson appear in both games. Leia, Willi, Zoey Holgerson (Katie's girlfriend) and Donna's family (the Revera's) are mentioned in SG. ZPR in SG is named after two families present in WiaB, the Zane's and the Reveras. The Petrova's existed also in the pre reworked version. But most importantly Ocean has said they're set in the same world, WiaB ~20 years before SG.
As long as his devlogs aren't Mcguffins!
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I corrected this for you, so far all of their shemes went the wrong way (Nika with the heist and Willy being caught attacking the gang guy). Its kinda a pattern that they only perceive themself as mastermind shemers but are just fuckups who dont consider consequences for even a second at this point
Like Leia didnt wanted to reveal everything to Willy yet so Willy found out on his own and immediatly fucked it up, she kinda had a point and seems to know him
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20 years later and she's even more pretty. And im not even into milfs usually
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oh no no no... that was a full-fledged Chéjovs. I just can't yet see its firing in the next 20 years. (in game time)
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For all those going on about the future...and SG....having a character in SG that is the result of an incestuos relationship...is NOT against their TOS. Having a character begat of that relationship, discussing it, having it happened in the past off-screen, also does NOT break Patreon's TOS.
If people lived their lives based off of what may happen in the future, what a company may do in the future or how something may change their terms....nothinhg would ever get done and you'd likewise never do anything with your life. If this is the reason for Ocean's change regarding futurproofing WIAB with Steam, he's an idiot.
As for those saying it's no different if real or adopted family...yes, yes it is different. Very pschologically different if you have any experience of it so yes, it does hugely and fundamentally change the entire dynamic of the story and the characters.
If people lived their lives based off of what may happen in the future, what a company may do in the future or how something may change their terms....nothinhg would ever get done and you'd likewise never do anything with your life. If this is the reason for Ocean's change regarding futurproofing WIAB with Steam, he's an idiot.
As for those saying it's no different if real or adopted family...yes, yes it is different. Very pschologically different if you have any experience of it so yes, it does hugely and fundamentally change the entire dynamic of the story and the characters.
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I'm out of reacts so: Great, excellent points above, especially about second guessing.
As far as real or adopted, the emotional weight is different, and I would not suggest otherwise. Narrative wise though, the roles don't need to change and there would be little change to the script. Some of the interactions would be less pointed, some will work better - the Katie war aspect will be a different dynamic that will in some ways feel more natural as an outsider proving themselves against the only child. I'm not suggesting it will be the same, but that it can still tell a significant and emotional story without too much rework.
But not the same story, obviously.
Helen as a stepmom is still as important to Willi in functional ways even if the emotional context is different. She's provided enough empathy and care to make him come back and see what's wrong. Not knowing his biological mom, he doesn't necessarily know the difference without comparison. Or maybe he does, because we don't know why or how long they've been with Helen and Dylan yet. So I'll stop rationalising for as long as I can and have some coffee instead.
Edit: Argh... I ment Helen as an adoptive mom, anyway, you get the point.
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Can you even fathom a reason or venture a guess where this isn't the case? As it stands there is no doubt in my mind this is an attempt to future proof SG and only SG. He wants the game squeaky clean for not only his precious music licenses but to ensure the future distribution on platforms like Patreon, GoG and Steam without issues.
Wild that this is even a debate. I don't know if it's naiveté, ignorance or a blatant disregard for biology. To even imply there is no difference between a blood bond a a legal one is absurd.
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Personally I don't think this is the case, rather because the LI and MC could be related, emphasis on could. Plus I guess there will be visual revelations in the future of SG that makes WIAB have to change, the golden child must be protected.
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Tell that to someone who was adopted at a young age and their adoptive parents are the only parents they've ever known and see what they tell you.
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Then ask again when they find out the truth....
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Tell a child they were adopted at a young age and watch if they can resist the urge to look for their biological parents despite having had wonderful adoptive parents their whole lives.
Biology matters. Blood ties matter. No matter how you spin it. I'm not trying to imply that you can't love adopted children like they were your own or that adopted kids can't love their adoptive parents like they were their own. I'm saying the relationship dynamic is always, definetely different.
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Not all adopted children look up who their biological parents are, but those that do choose to have their own individual reasons. Often curiosity of their background or even medical reasons. That doesn't change the secure attachments formed through consistent caregiving and emotional support, regardless of being adopted or not. I think it's mostly psychological. That's why in the real world, there are step-siblings who are repulsed by the idea of doing anything sexual with each other. Because mentally, they are still family, which is defined by more than biology - love, support, etc.
But maybe I'm confused on what you mean by the relationship dynamic is always, definitely different. In an adoption scenario, the biological parents are complete strangers to the adopted and these kids see their adoptive parents as their real parents. At least that's what two different adopted kids I knew from high school told me.
I personally know an adopted person that only cares about their adoptive parents and couldn't be bothered to learn anything about their biological parents.
I also personally know another adopted person that would never pass up any opportunity to learn anything they can about their biological parents, while still loving their adoptive parents to the end of the world.
That is to say, it all depends on the individual. There is no "always", "definitely", etc. on this.
Side note - it's highly entertaining listening to my two friends trying to convince each other they are wrong, especially after they've had some alcohol in their bellies.