VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

less than secondary? without wiab there will be no way to explain the puzzle that is SG, I like both but saying that is irrelevant there is no need to comment anything else with you.

There is actually. Sorco (who far prefers WiaB to SG) is pointing out that Ocean, despite claiming he loves his first child, spends more than half his time on SG. Would it have been the same if Ocean had prioritised WiaB way back and got the Wiab remake going before the SG one? WHo knows? But WiaBdoes get treated as secondary. Ocean had vibe for the SG treats, did them first, then just adds a tattoo to the same render to say "oh hey, NTR". That IS sleight of hand. Same happened with the Halloween treats, where's the WiaB halloween ones?

But I think the issue is that Ocean finds it hard to put antagonist characters in a festive scene. WiaB would've suited Halloween though, so I don't know why he didn't start with that back then.

I think he meant that WiaB does not brings the same amount of revenue than SG does. Hence is hard to justify its production. Ocean may want and continue WiaB development despite all, but if it does not support itself and does not bring returns to him is hard to justify the time he spends on it. We may come to a scenario where WiaB is updated every 2 years, because SG will be his only reliable revenue.

Exactly this. Ocean has to juggle until WiaB can start justifying itself, it doesn't currently pay its own bills exactly.

 

[sorco2003]

I think he meant that WiaB does not brings the same amount of revenue than SG does. Hence is hard to justify its production. Ocean may want and continue WiaB development despite all, but if it does not support itself and does not bring returns to him is hard to justify the time he spends on it. We may come to a scenario where WiaB is updated every 2 years, because SG will be his only reliable revenue.

There is actually. Sorco (who far prefers WiaB to SG) is pointing out that Ocean, despite claiming he loves his first child, spends more than half his time on SG. Would it have been the same if Ocean had prioritised WiaB way back and got the Wiab remake going before the SG one? WHo knows? But WiaBdoes get treated as secondary. Ocean had vibe for the SG treats, did them first, then just adds a tattoo to the same render to say "oh hey, NTR". That IS sleight of hand. Same happened with the Halloween treats, where's the WiaB halloween ones?

But I think the issue is that Ocean finds it hard to put antagonist characters in a festive scene. WiaB would've suited Halloween though, so I don't know why he didn't start with that back then.



Exactly this. Ocean has to juggle until WiaB can start justifying itself, it doesn't currently pay its own bills exactly.

Your patience with people who cannot read and interpret is infinite... I deeply envy you.

 

[sorco2003]

Christmas render is out！Thanks for sharing。

but，where is thet “WiAB - Set 1/2 - Bloodbound - Leia” render？
is Ocean forget it？

I don't know if he forgot, but the next thing to come out is Robin's treat, and as he confessed in the last Christmas treat, he ran out of inspiration, so maybe we will see it someday, or maybe not (Robin's treat is in production as he said).

 

[BobTheDuck]

I don't know if he forgot, but the next thing to come out is Robin's treat, and as he confessed in the last Christmas treat, he ran out of inspiration, so maybe we will see it someday, or maybe not (Robin's treat is in production as he said).

Even if I am not a fan of Leia since the rework (ch6 old WiaB Leia was actually a goddess, even if she wasn't Katie) Leia as a vampire is such an obvious thing to do, and so easy. Dare I say, Ocean should have done WiaB for Halloween, and SG for Christmas - it suits the tone of each game then. BUt given that he is deep in the renders for both games, it might be that he's rendering traumatic moments with WiaB, and then tries to come up with fluffy christmas ideas. He pretty much ran out of milk and cookies in my opinion, that's all.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Even if I am not a fan of Leia since the rework

Look at how they massacred our girl

even if she wasn't Katie

 

[sorco2003]

Even if I am not a fan of Leia since the rework (ch6 old WiaB Leia was actually a goddess, even if she wasn't Katie) Leia as a vampire is such an obvious thing to do, and so easy. Dare I say, Ocean should have done WiaB for Halloween, and SG for Christmas - it suits the tone of each game then. BUt given that he is deep in the renders for both games, it might be that he's rendering traumatic moments with WiaB, and then tries to come up with fluffy christmas ideas. He pretty much ran out of milk and cookies in my opinion, that's all.

I know that it is usually difficult to decipher what Ocean writes, he usually has those moments where the choice of words make the end result vague. But in this case I think it is literally what he put in writing:

1- He woke up one day, looked at the art section of discord, saw some image made by Kentyrr and said "siiii, I'd like to do something christmasy!"

2- Made the one of Bella (we all know he made that one first) and said "yep, I want more".

3- He made 9, having to take appropriate measures (alarm every 15 minutes) and said to himself "and now?"

4- He ran out, ran out of gas, and overexerted himself to do the WIAB ones, maybe feeling he owed something to the universe.

5- he communicates... this last one is where the context grays out a brutal honesty that is usually very welcome.

 

[yossa999]

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Yeah, too much mascara, it's all smudged.

 

[RNasc4444]

Yeah, too much mascara, it's all smudged.

Since you like that sort of thing, I'm guessing you want Leia as an LI correct? Aren't you concerned that she will no longer be one after the coming changes are introduced?

 

[LHDLLB]

Even if I am not a fan of Leia since the rework (ch6 old WiaB Leia was actually a goddess, even if she wasn't Katie) Leia as a vampire is such an obvious thing to do, and so easy. Dare I say, Ocean should have done WiaB for Halloween, and SG for Christmas - it suits the tone of each game then. BUt given that he is deep in the renders for both games, it might be that he's rendering traumatic moments with WiaB, and then tries to come up with fluffy christmas ideas. He pretty much ran out of milk and cookies in my opinion, that's all.

My problem with the OG Leia is that she was too obsessed with William and very forgiven. She was out most of the game and the Ch6. Still gorgeous though. I think he just is trying to give something to the community because he could not keep the release expectations. WiaB is not more than a year with ou update and SG only got the rework. Is a way of keep us interested and the base engaged. I don't know what happened to the WiaB Halloween treat. but it seems that he had problems with the Robin and made it halt the Leia one.

I know that it is usually difficult to decipher what Ocean writes, he usually has those moments where the choice of words make the end result vague. But in this case I think it is literally what he put in writing:

1- He woke up one day, looked at the art section of discord, saw some image made by Kentyrr and said "siiii, I'd like to do something christmasy!"

2- Made the one of Bella (we all know he made that one first) and said "yep, I want more".

3- He made 9, having to take appropriate measures (alarm every 15 minutes) and said to himself "and now?"

4- He ran out, ran out of gas, and overexerted himself to do the WIAB ones, maybe feeling he owed something to the universe.

5- he communicates... this last one is where the context grays out a brutal honesty that is usually very welcome.

I don't think that Ocean writes this way as a accident. He intentionally writes as to be vague. But what you says makes sense, plus how many renders do the man set up in a day ? To do something in command must be difficult.

Since you like that sort of thing, I'm guessing you want Leia as an LI correct? Aren't you concerned that she will no longer be one after the coming changes are introduced?

Every single time that I open this thread. Don't know if it will make me quit the story but will make me lose a ton of interest in it.

 

[sorco2003]

I don't think that Ocean writes this way as a accident. He intentionally writes as to be vague. But what you says makes sense, plus how many renders do the man set up in a day ? To do something in command must be difficult.

For your avn script that may be true and useful, for communication through logs, it is not.
As for the other thing, it is at least a strange situation. There was a time when it was common to make wall papers, and it was common that in WIAB the only thing we received was that, but in the current state of affairs it should be more thought than subject to "inspiration"... Not only for Pateon/SS, but because each of those treats can be sold on Steam. So while we've gotten used to things like ntr treats just disappearing and someday coming back just because, on Steam it needs more consistency.

 

[Kond]

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Im will go against the opinion here, i think Leia actually got better (not that she was bad before, she was already beautiful)....i think ppl are "hating" on her because of her nipples, and i honestly dont see any problem with them... they are just different, and i think thats a good thing, often devs make the same model with different faces and they are not unique, Wiab has a different collection of faces and body proportions and body characteristics.
And its not like this kind of nipples dont exist for real.
And her face got better imo....but of course, all of this is a matter of personal taste and opinion.

 

[yossa999]

Since you like that sort of thing, I'm guessing you want Leia as an LI correct? Aren't you concerned that she will no longer be one after the coming changes are introduced?

You worry too much about even the most insignificant things. Once we download the update, then we'll worry about what's changed.

 

[LHDLLB]

For your avn script that may be true and useful, for communication through logs, it is not.
As for the other thing, it is at least a strange situation. There was a time when it was common to make wall papers, and it was common that in WIAB the only thing we received was that, but in the current state of affairs it should be more thought than subject to "inspiration"... Not only for Pateon/SS, but because each of those treats can be sold on Steam. So while we've gotten used to things like ntr treats just disappearing and someday coming back just because, on Steam it needs more consistency.

I agree. But when he says that de does up to 50 renders a day and we don't know how much is for each game, is not a bug is a feature. I don't think it is necessary in bad faith, but is no coincidence either.

for the rest I don't really know, I get what you are saying in the business sense but he does not seems interested in maximize his gains. So while maybe do treats once a month and/or wallpapers, give some non canon scenes might be the most logical business decision, I really do get the feel that he is doing it for the art and will compromiss only as the last resort.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Im will go against the opinion here, i think Leia actually got better (not that she was bad before, she was already beautiful)....i think ppl are "hating" on her because of her nipples, and i honestly dont see any problem with them... they are just different, and i think thats a good thing, often devs make the same model with different faces and they are not unique, Wiab has a different collection of faces and body proportions and body characteristics.
And its not like this kind of nipples dont exist for real.
And her face got better imo....but of course, all of this is a matter of personal taste and opinion.

Oh the details got better, definitely. Ocean does better renders now. But Leia is cartoonishly big for someone who had anorexia 10 years ago. It's not about different body shapes or size, but if we're going to talk about variety, Ocean doesn't need them ALL big. Daphne's not a petite girl, Dana's definitely not (and Dana looks far better proportioned than Leia). Helen is the most cartoonish, because that kind of body size would have all kinds of sagging and stretchmarks from years of being that size. Dana looks close to believable, but Leia looks like she's been bimbofied, not just a larger body size. Helen and Leia also change from plausible on the first day to bimbo on the second. Leia didn't get plastic surgery overnight even if she can afford it.

 

[wizardcock]

Since you like that sort of thing, I'm guessing you want Leia as an LI correct? Aren't you concerned that she will no longer be one after the coming changes are introduced?

What changes are you talking about? I recall something, but it was so long ago...Leia won't be a LI? how is that possible? especially when there's no patreon page for wiab.

 

[BobTheDuck]

What changes are you talking about? I recall something, but it was so long ago...Leia won't be a LI? how is that possible? especially when there's no patreon page for wiab.

THere was a devlog where Ocean mentioned changed, maybe 3 months ago? But according to subs on SS he redacted the devlog. So we got to see something that's not even on SS site. Which could mean Ocean's changed his mind about what he needs to change and how the games make sense. At some point he has to deal with the issue that there are Zanes in both games and explain in some fashion what that means.

I'm given up trying to work it out, but I have my theories, based on what I can see Ocean doing on what he said there. But it might be he decided to kick the change further down the road, or scrap it.

The recent render of Leia with her landing strip exposed would be a massive tease if she wasn't a LI anymore.

For the rest, The best thing is to see what changes there are when CH4 arrives.

 

[sorco2003]

I agree. But when he says that de does up to 50 renders a day and we don't know how much is for each game, is not a bug is a feature. I don't think it is necessary in bad faith, but is no coincidence either.

for the rest I don't really know, I get what you are saying in the business sense but he does not seems interested in maximize his gains. So while maybe do treats once a month and/or wallpapers, give some non canon scenes might be the most logical business decision, I really do get the feel that he is doing it for the art and will compromiss only as the last resort.

I never insinuated that it is bad faith, is a communication error. And in the example you give of the renders, it is simply not to whitewash what is obvious, as it only leads you to do some math and know how much work there is in each of their games.

The vagueness in renderings when by simple mathematics you can calculate what SG has the triple of work, contrasts terribly with the clarity with which he tells you the arc of the taxes.

 

[sorco2003]

The recent render of Leia with her landing strip exposed would be a massive tease if she wasn't a LI anymore.

As if Ocean never shows sexy images of women who are not LI... (cof Noji cof)

 

[BobTheDuck]

As if Ocean never shows sexy images of women who are not LI... (cof Noji cof)

He did say "but nothing is ever set in stone" about her though

 

[Dr.TSoni]

My problem with the OG Leia is that she was too obsessed with William and very forgiven.

In the OG the blame was universally placed on Katie

Im will go against the opinion here, i think Leia actually got better (not that she was bad before, she was already beautiful)....i think ppl are "hating" on her because of her nipples, and i honestly dont see any problem with them... they are just different, and i think thats a good thing, often devs make the same model with different faces and they are not unique, Wiab has a different collection of faces and body proportions and body characteristics.
And its not like this kind of nipples dont exist for real.
And her face got better imo....but of course, all of this is a matter of personal taste and opinion.

Honestly Leia's areolas aren't that big of a deal it's more of a meme now XD
As far as I'm concerned it's a problem of absurd proportions for some characters, as with Mila there are some images where my brain screams at me "there is something profoundly wrong here".