VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[byaaahh]

I'm going to throw this out there.

When this universally-disliked change hits home, Ocean is once again going to retcon the story back, increasing the ever-widening update wait.

 

[Boehser Onkel]

Wait until you see how many times variations of "we're not related" there are

Ocean being subtle as a bull in a china shop

a shame though

 

[sorco2003]

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Is your reception shared in the subs chat room?

 

[Thojnaan]

Is Ocean still looking to reach 20-30 chapters for this game or did he finally realize how impossible that is given the update cycle?

 

[sorco2003]

I'm going to throw this out there.

When this universally-disliked change hits home, Ocean is once again going to retcon the story back, increasing the ever-widening update wait.

No, if the new target audience does not respond, it will simply be abandoned, this is basically the silver bullet for WIAB, there was no audience to pay for it and it went out to find a different one.

 

[RR6612]

There's manga called Bleach, Tite Kubo is its author. Kubo is a fantastic artist who thinks up cool shit and draws some SLICK designs but can't write plot to save his life. Ocean is the Kubo of VN's.

Hey that's a disservice to the soul society arc!

 

[byaaahh]

No, if the new target audience does not respond, it will simply be abandoned, this is basically the silver bullet for WIAB, there was no audience to pay for it and it went out to find a different one.

I don't think he would've kept WiaB going as long as he has, using SG to fund it, to just drop it like that.

More likely just revert to the previous script iteration where Will and Leia are twins and rewrite the latest update.

 

[Joan6969]

The fact that now his last name is not Zane anymore is just crazy.
And I hope this is wrong but someone mention there's only 2 lewd scenes?{chapter 4}
Please tell me that's BS!

 

[Fazed]

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...Free of Patreon and still living in shackles. Nope, done with this.

EDIT: Goddamn it. Now even Steam is bending the knee to the credit card companies. WTF how are they allowed to have so much control. Hate to say but damn it Ocean played it safe and he was right. Not even the mighty Steam could resist them.

 

[SweatyDevil]

I’ve been feeling pretty conflicted about the update honestly. I might understand why the incest content been removed, and I respect that decision, but it still feels odd to experience the story without those original family dynamics. I’ve been following this game since like the old Chapter 2 circa, and for me, those relationships always felt like a big part of the main plot and continuity, even with SG to some degree. Seeing Leia no longer as the MC’s sister, or Helen not being his mom, just feels... off.

I’m really hoping Ocean can rework things in a way that still keeps the emotional depth and coherence of the story and not make mess. I'm fine without incest, but I have my doubts about Ocean as a writer lately.

 

[imagica]

I’m really hoping Ocean can rework things in a way that still keeps the emotional depth and coherence of the story and not make mess. I'm fine without incest, but I have my doubts about Ocean as a writer lately.

No! Don't say the "rework" word. Not again.

 

[byaaahh]

I’ve been feeling pretty conflicted about the update honestly. I might understand why the incest content been removed, and I respect that decision, but it still feels odd to experience the story without those original family dynamics. I’ve been following this game since like the old Chapter 2 circa, and for me, those relationships always felt like a big part of the main plot and continuity, even with SG to some degree. Seeing Leia no longer as the MC’s sister, or Helen not being his mom, just feels... off.

I’m really hoping Ocean can rework things in a way that still keeps the emotional depth and coherence of the story and not make mess. I'm fine without incest, but I have my doubts about Ocean as a writer lately.

I can understand and deal with the Helen change, but Leia being his twin was integral to the plot.

Instead of William falling in love with his sister, leading him running away, we're now at the point of "he fell in love with his roommate and the other roommates wouldn't approve".

 

[SweatyDevil]

No! Don't say the "rework" word. Not again.

Well, with how Ocean operate that seems almost impossible.

 

[Fazed]

Seeing Leia no longer as the MC’s sister, or Helen not being his mom, just feels... off.

I’m really hoping Ocean can rework things in a way that still keeps the emotional depth and coherence of the story and not make mess. I'm fine without incest, but I have my doubts about Ocean as a writer lately.

It will never hold the same weight as what was established before. I do not need that to be part of the story, but as a narrative device, once that dynamic is introduced, the story is irrevocably shaped by it. Removing it later will always leave an unfillable void. The plot points that were informed by that dynamic will never hit the same when rewritten, because it is simply not the same, it cannot be the same.

That on top of the massive time investment this project has been from the start... Its laughable honestly.

At this point, write the goddamned story as it was meant to be or don't write it at all.

 

[Skylaroo]

Is Ocean still looking to reach 20-30 chapters for this game or did he finally realize how impossible that is given the update cycle?

My grandson will be able to play chapter 30 finished by Ocean's grandson.

 

[Turret]

I am still thinking about if the download is worth it, considering what several players already shared. Just look at what a "family" Ocean now made:

How frakking stupid is the MC now, running away because he got a hard-on for his roommate, absolutely no relation at all. That´s nothing more than a WG (flat sharing)! Who would give a flying fuck about that? And Kati, blackmailing someone with his feelings for his WG roommate? Yawn!
And this cramp-like obsession with Italian names all the sudden. Just waiting for the big reveal that Miru´s family name is Corleone (cue Godfather waltz)

This is the wrong side of Gen Z version of WIAB. Santised to the degree even Sagrotan would get an allergy, woke, slick as a banana peal, stupid and boring.
Ocean sold out everything when he started to brownnose Patreon.

 

[SweatyDevil]

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I can understand and deal with the Helen change, but Leia being his twin was integral to the plot.

Instead of William falling in love with his sister, leading him running away, we're now at the point of "he fell in love with his roommate and the other roommates wouldn't approve".

Yeah, it made sense for him to run away, and it made the plot interesting as we explored taboo and forbidden stuff. Now, we’re just encountering the usual landlady/roommate interactions, and it feels really awkward.

 

[Midnight Prophets]

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So, did the original plans have Leia blood-related? If so, why change that?

 

[Black Orchid]

he should focus on a single game and universe, the whole "oceanverse" is not panning out. the relations between the characters and the story itself are way too convoluted for what they should be. all that only adds surface level depth and more confusion for the player. he has now decided to neuter both his games and for what? he still got banned on patreon. i think if he ever wants to actually finish a game he has to give up on these both and start something new. if he doesn't both of them will remain in a state of perpetual "remakes".

 

[ianzaracod]

I’ve been feeling pretty conflicted about the update honestly. I might understand why the incest content been removed, and I respect that decision, but it still feels odd to experience the story without those original family dynamics. I’ve been following this game since like the old Chapter 2 circa, and for me, those relationships always felt like a big part of the main plot and continuity, even with SG to some degree. Seeing Leia no longer as the MC’s sister, or Helen not being his mom, just feels... off.

I’m really hoping Ocean can rework things in a way that still keeps the emotional depth and coherence of the story and not make mess. I'm fine without incest, but I have my doubts about Ocean as a writer lately.

Right? Them being Zane's felt really important for it to just let go like that.