RNasc4444
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Have you finished it already or nah??? I wanna know what you thought. Already know Bob loved this shitshow for some reasonGive it time
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That would be great my only advice is to wait at least for the next update Ocean may do somthing to exactly contradict the patch like a back story of Will and Leia parents just to say to the gods in patreon "i swear it wasn't me"I can't deny that rewriting parts of chapter 4 to accommodate William and Leia beings twins is a challenge, but given enough time, I think I'm up to the challenge. Here's my vision for it: William and Leia are the same family, taken in by the Zanes when their parents were murdered (that part doesn't change). But the reason for William bailing years ago is still because of the relationship with Leia, but not because of some "mob family" bullshit rule, just because...they're siblings...and because of "family" pressure. The forced mariage rules becomes a way to try and break that relationship at its roots, to distance Leia from William. So the whole mafia stuff will be there to stay, sorry if that still hurts your trying to make sense of it all
On a sidenote, I do believe that's what Ocean had envisioned himself at some point, when he said that only Leia and William would be related. When you have a closer look at the script and dialogues you do realize that stuff was probably the last to go in his numerous changes to family dynamics.
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Have you finished it already or nah??? I wanna know what you thought. Already know Bob loved this shitshow for some reason
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I think it's pretty clear that this will definitely go to their parents backstories. Too much hidden, and too much foreshadowing, demands it.
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Hurry the fuck up!
I need someone with a brain to bring out some solid arguments that can make me hate this crap a little less. Because right now I'm kinda freaking out about the future of SG.
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Oh shit great to read a post from you! Haven't seen one in a whileSG sucks, though.
And now so does WiAB.
Ok one more WiAB lover disappointed with the new update
Can't help but agree. Though I still have some hope for SG.
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Yeah, I'm among those who feel the relationship changes have made a mess of the story. I'll still follow it for the eventual lewd scenes, but the story is now too convoluted and stupid (for me). I get there are people who like it. But meh, what do they know? lolOk one more WiAB lover disappointed with the new update
I'll also add that when I first started VNs only a few years ago, incest was the top taboo for me. It's not anymore and I only add patches when it removes the stupid-ass 'landlord', 'landlady', 'roommate' shit. But for this particular story, it made the most sense... especially for those of us who remember "Ugly Miru".
Anyway... it is what it is... I've only paid once for a release of this game and I probably won't ever pay Ocean again. Much better VN's (even if they aren't as good render-wise)... that I'd rather give funding to.
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I can relate to this. When I first got into VNs, I tried to keep to "safe" stuff. Never imagined I'd read an incest one and get anything out of it. I don't remember if it was WiaB or something like Sisterly Lust where I was finally like "fuck it." Now, incest doesn't even phase me as a tag, it might well say vaginal sex or something.
This story just made more sense with incest and I'm not sure what to make of all the changes.
Because patreon has declared that it will no longer buy fairy tales about landlords and roomates, that's why this whole mystical story about mafia rules Nojiko is not a surrogate mother to Nika and Nami, nor their landlord. They are now part of the same mafia program as Leia and William, in fact, it can now be said this part of the story for SG and WIAB is written by Patreon and not Ocean. I wonder what he will do if they tell him that they don't buy ''mafia rules'' either.
The only advantage of all this is that now Nojiko and Ayua off limits now does not work, if he does not do it, it is only to spite the fans, not because he cannot.
That's why it's hard for me to understand the admiration for what Ocean did, it all comes from necessity and not inspiration, his greatest achievement is that at the moment he made a fool of patreon, inspired by the situation of MC from Delucas who lives with four women like a family member but can enter into intimate relations with them because he is a hostage of the mafia
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Did ocean really cuck out on wincest? Just for this game or for summers gone too?
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This. If he just dropped a lot of lore in this game to expand the universe and give more info about Summer's Gone, then he does this. I don't understand Mav defending this heap of shit. The rewrite is just that bad.
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SG sucks, though.
And now so does WiAB.
At least we have consistency across both of Ocean's games now
(ofc putting aside the high render quality which is also consistent across both games)
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I would not say is a shitshow, is honestly better than I expected, I was between Ocean going SG route and - wink,wink. That dosen't work there but is just one stance, and here would be a full shitshow. And he cutting Leia as a LI, with migth have been the less drastic of decisions, even though I would not like it. Expanding the criminal side of the story, makes sense, it trully does. What dosen't make sense is how he just pivot the story in the first 15 min of this update, and half of it is just retconing the first 3 chapthers. Not in information but in subtext, maybe is because I don't have fresh eyes, but it still very much feels like William is coming back home to all the shame that it means, not to be Judged and maybe killed. Is a HUGE tonal whipslash, one that I can't completly fault him for but it is here nonetheless. By the end of the update things got way better, the whole Leia club is great and there is many juicy little things for the thread to talk about once the postmortum ends. Is a good update. But Ocean still has to work some things out, is a work in progress, he did not sell it as a finihed product, so just don't make a problem for William be with Katie now, aside maybe Leia, no marriage plot or elder law. They are just people that can and will - if player chosse to- fuck each other maybe it will bring more change down the line but I would say it will make the story work better.Have you finished it already or nah??? I wanna know what you thought. Already know Bob loved this shitshow for some reason
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So I'm at the bit with William and Leia having a heart-to-heart after William leaves the girls night out. And I'm a little confused on the crime families thing. Is William supposed to be aware of the crime family shenanigans or not?
There's been mentions of "families" and implications of crime family politicking through character dialogues, including William's dialogue. William even mentions the five families and how they won't stand for some shit, as if he's intimate with how they act. But then he thinks Joe is a small time gun dealer, and he's even surprised Leia is involved asking her if she's become a criminal. And William continues to be surprised by anyone being involved in crime, but at the same time still aware of "family" shit. And now talking with Leia, they're not being explicit, but its clear the Zanes are in the criminal life, and that they grew up in it knowing it.
Until this point, it felt like the Zanes got involved in the crime stuff after William left, but now its more like he grew up in it and so why is it a surprise that anyone in his adopted family are in the crime life? The disconnect here is kinda weird.
There's been mentions of "families" and implications of crime family politicking through character dialogues, including William's dialogue. William even mentions the five families and how they won't stand for some shit, as if he's intimate with how they act. But then he thinks Joe is a small time gun dealer, and he's even surprised Leia is involved asking her if she's become a criminal. And William continues to be surprised by anyone being involved in crime, but at the same time still aware of "family" shit. And now talking with Leia, they're not being explicit, but its clear the Zanes are in the criminal life, and that they grew up in it knowing it.
Until this point, it felt like the Zanes got involved in the crime stuff after William left, but now its more like he grew up in it and so why is it a surprise that anyone in his adopted family are in the crime life? The disconnect here is kinda weird.
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That's the kind of inconsistencies that happens when you rework your story multiple times and add new elements out of nowhere.
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Also, who the hell does yoga in high heels? Ocean's porn brain is too lost in the paint sometimes.
EDIT: And now they're starting a porn business. Goddamn.
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No matters what the situation is ( in the middle of a conversation, in a changing room, in a drinking game at night, hiding in a public toilet...) In Oceanverse, there's never a single inappropriate situation to show your Yoga skillsView attachment 5018162
Also, who the hell does yoga in high heels? Ocean's porn brain is too lost in the paint sometimes.
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Maviarab is probably tired of the number of times I called out "Ocean Lewd Bait."View attachment 5018162
Also, who the hell does yoga in high heels? Ocean's porn brain is too lost in the paint sometimes.
EDIT: And now they're starting a porn business. Goddamn.
It's not as bad in SG but here...the weirdest shit will happen randomly and it's supposed to be okay because it's lewd.
The one I love to call out is during the farm stuff, when it's Zoey, Kat, Will, and the others. Zoey leans her head back on the haybale and is in between Kat's thighs, then turns around and buries her face in Kat's panties because of whatever lotion Kat is using. Then we're topless because it's time to apply sunscreen but it's just a whole lot of nothing to show tits. It jumps to the bunker scene and after that's done we come back to Kat and Zoey topless resting by the haybale because reasons.
They are supposed to be there for farm work and not one of them is remotely dressed for it or does anything related to farm work. I was even convinced at one point "farm work" was just code for "mafia stuff."
The porn brain is like "okay fine"
The story brain is like "wtf is this?"