VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[RNasc4444]

I propose another change to the scenario: simply change the mafia to a dictatorship or a cult. You could then argue it was simple brainwashing from a young age. I even have a very catchy porn name for the leader.

"Big Member Dylan"

I think that'd be funnier but would still have similar issues to the current version. Maybe if Leia and Willi's families were part of the closed off cult it would make sense that they'd land with the Zanes. But there are a myriad of other issues that won't be explained by that scenario either.

As much as people think the original story made sense, it didn't.

If William feared the repercussions from his "inappropriate" relationship with Leia being discovered, then why the hell didn't he take her with him when he fled?

Shame. He was conflicted and embarrassed by his actions as well.
Anyways I don't think anyone said it did make sense before. The previous version had issues but far minor that the current one. I'd say the previous version with the ic was about 80% there to making sense. This new version goes down to about 50%.

This change does make it easier to move forward without fear of the ic police but it damages the story and characters greatly. Therefore it will be far more difficult to fix this unholy mess in the future. And with each new update Ocean proves not to be up to the task. 1 step forward and 2 steps back seems to be his motto. And it suits him.

 

[John972]

If anything, it's not an answer to you personally, Doc. I'll just use your post as a starting point.

Damn. Fuck. Shite. Fucking soggy popslices.
I can't believe they're still arguing about the plausibility and reasonability of the teenage MC's actions in WiAB.

Right here, right now, in this fucking thread, despite the game page being updated, the release date being updated on the first page, and says that release was at 2025-07-04. Despite the changelog being posted announcing over 4,000 new renders, despite all the updated information on Steam and GoG. Fuck, despite all of this, there are still people who writing "I launched the game and there's nothing new. Stupid Ocean hasn't done anything in a year. I'm so disappointed."

Didn't it even occur to them that there might be something wrong with their game installation? That maybe they should look for a solution in the thread. I understand that it's hard to do, the whole thread is covered in monkey shit of the mafia mockers. But still, the search function works.

As a last resort, you can ask for the hundredth time "Guys, maybe this has already been answered, but I can't find a solution. For some reason I don't see any new content in the game. What could it be?" Well, at least that's it, it's completely normal if you can't use the search.

No, the fucking conclusion is obvious and doesn't require any verification. Ocean hasn't done anything in a year and there was no release either. "I looked down my pants today and they were covered in shit. Damn you Ocean, what kind of writer are you after that?"

We're observing a clear idiocy happening in real life, in real time. The complete lack of ability to analyze and perceive information from people who have confirmed that they are adults when they signed up for the site. Yet you continue to criticize Ocean for the irrational actions of a fictional protagonist in a fantasy story who was 16 years old at the time of the events.

The comment I wrote, which Doc replied to, was simply my frustration at all the comments saying the new backstory is either not plausible or doesn't make any sense. It's not as if the original backstory made perfect sense either. It's Leia who states the obvious in both versions: "W-why didn't you take me with you...?" [Willi doesn't answer]

 

[yossa999]

The comment I wrote, which Doc replied to, was simply my frustration at all the comments saying the new backstory is either not plausible or doesn't make any sense. It's not as if the original backstory made perfect sense either. It's Leia who states the obvious in both versions: "W-why didn't you take me with you...?" [Willi doesn't answer]

If I were Ocean, I'd send Willie to college or a military school for boys (the mafia version). Just to get rid of those endless and pointless debates: (Although why only a teenager? Just an impulsive person like Willie, who barged in a conflict between gangs and tried to set up a casus belli between them. With his famous grace.)

College would be perfectly plausible for connoseurs of realism.

EDIT: "Can a teenager run away from home in a stressful situation? Can a teenager reconsider his impulsive decision after a week?"
And the third question: can a teenager be selfish, leaving friends and family alone? I can think of a dozen TV series, movies and series where the same behavior of the MC serves as a kickstart to the story. And I can't think of a single one that would cause so much debates about the answer to these questions.

 

[RNasc4444]

If I were Ocean, I'd send Willie to college or a military school for boys (the mafia version). Just to get rid of those endless and pointless debates: can a teenager run away from home in a stressful situation? Can a teenager reconsider his impulsive decision after a week? (Although why only a teenager? Just an impulsive person like Willie, who barged in a conflict between gangs and tried to set up a casus belli between them. With his famous grace.)

College would be perfectly plausible for connoseurs of realism.

It doesn't solve anything. You have to start before that. Even if Willi had been sent away to boarding school or military or whatever before his parents died he'd still be a minor. The state would still take him in if there isn't a next of kin.

I'm gonna assume that Ocean didn't create a world where you can steal children, or keep the ones you found on the street without consequence. There's no reason to believe that "pick an orphan off the street day" is a thing.

Solve the "adoption" issue then we'll discuss his motivations for leaving and coming back. And if by some miracle you manage to successfully create a plausible scenario for that one don't worry, we'll move on to the next issue. 'Cause there are a lot of them.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

If I were Ocean, I'd send Willie to college or a military school for boys (the mafia version). Just to get rid of those endless and pointless debates: (Although why only a teenager? Just an impulsive person like Willie, who barged in a conflict between gangs and tried to set up a casus belli between them. With his famous grace.)

College would be perfectly plausible for connoseurs of realism.

EDIT: "Can a teenager run away from home in a stressful situation? Can a teenager reconsider his impulsive decision after a week?"
And the third question: can a teenager be selfish, leaving friends and family alone? I can think of a dozen TV series, movies and series where the same behavior of the MC serves as a kickstart to the story. And I can't think of a single one that would cause so much debates about the answer to these questions.

You mean to tell me that it's not the mafia college where they sent Leia?

 

[yossa999]

You mean to tell me that it's not the mafia college where they sent Leia? View attachment 5035689

Nah, it's a mutant school for the kids with supernatural areolas

 

[yossa999]

Even if Willi had been sent away to boarding school or military or whatever before his parents died he'd still be a minor. The state would still take him in if there isn't a next of kin.

It's not specified how they did it legally, because it's unimportant to the plot and leads to unnecessary questions. But the Zanes resolved the issue so that the young recruits went to school, lived with their family, and bullied their daughter on perfectly legal grounds. I'll print out the official certificate from Wollust Social Service for you later.

So now that we've cleared that up, is there anything else that's not believable about Willie running away?

 

[RNasc4444]

It's not specified how they did it legally, because it's unimportant to the plot and leads to unnecessary questions. But the Zanes resolved the issue so that the young recruits went to school, lived with their family, and bullied their daughter on perfectly legal grounds. I'll print out the official certificate from Wollust Social Service for you later.

So now that we've cleared that up, is there anything else that's not believable about Willie running away?

You didn't clear anything up. You just dismissed a legitimate issue as "unimportant". One of dozens.

There is a certain limited amount of suspension of disbelief you can apply before you just have to admit the plot is nonsense.

If I have to be a lobotomite or resort to porn brain or mafia reasons to go along with this story, maybe the story is just nonsensical trash?

Which is all I'm arguing by the way! I'm not saying you shouldn't like it or it shouldn't make sense to you. You do you.

Porn logic and mafia reasons explain everything

 

[yossa999]

You didn't clear anything up. You just dismissed a legitimate issue as "unimportant". One of dozens.

There is a certain limited amount of suspension of disbelief you can apply before you just have to admit the plot is nonsense.

I made it perfectly clear.

How can a hacker track someone's IP address by running ifconfig utility from the terminal? Why, when the hacker in the movie runs out of time, he/she just doubles the speed of typing and completes the job? Is the hacker's job really dependent on typing speed? Why didn't they just copy and paste? Or write a script to automate the job?

But I've seen it in many award-winning movies. Do you know why? Because the plot of these movies is not built on the details of a hacker's work. They don't need a full technical reproduction of a hacking session, they need a visual accompaniment to the plot episode: among the characters there is a hacker who can hack anything. Here he does his magic and they get access to a secure system. But these movies are not about hackers or the technological details of their work, they are about completely different things.

If I have to be a lobotomite or resort to porn brain or mafia reasons to go along with this story, maybe the story is just nonsensical trash?

Ocean is not to blame for your lobotomy, you've been always like that. Stop guilt tripping him about your condition!

Which is all I'm arguing by the way! I'm not saying you shouldn't like it or it shouldn't make sense to you. You do you.
Porn logic and mafia reasons explain everything

Some things just don't need explanation, they're prerequisites to the story.
You're like those annoying dudes who interrupt the story of "Guy walks into a bar and orders 30 shots..." with questions like, "Wait, why is there a bar there? Is their liquor license up to date? Who owns it?"

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Ocean is not to blame for your lobotomy, you've been always like that. Stop guilt tripping him about your condition!

But can we say the same about the MAFIA?

 

[yossa999]

But can we say the same about the MAFIA?

Oh no, I didn't think about that!
Sorry RNasc4444 now I see where this hate to MAFIA is coming from. That's what they did to you!

 

[Dr.TSoni]

P.S.

Some things just don't need explanation, they're prerequisites to the story.
You're like those annoying dudes who interrupt the story of "Guy walks into a bar and orders 30 shots..." with questions like, "Wait, why is there a bar there? Is their liquor license up to date? Who owns it?"

On this point I agree.

 

[LHDLLB]

EDIT: "Can a teenager run away from home in a stressful situation? Can a teenager reconsider his impulsive decision after a week?"
And the third question: can a teenager be selfish, leaving friends and family alone? I can think of a dozen TV series, movies and series where the same behavior of the MC serves as a kickstart to the story. And I can't think of a single one that would cause so much debates about the answer to these questions.

What stressful situation? When we thought that the reason was Leia was easier to understand. Now it seems that the worst scenario was that he would be exiled, so he just when on anyway ? Sure a emotional teenager could do that, William was just never show to be the type, but yeah, is not impossible. Then what would be so stressful ? Clearly it wasn't Leia, something that although never confirmed before was heavily implied and much easy ti understand.

A week is maybe too long even. Most would cave in less than 3 days, but this is not really the point.

A teenager can be selfish or not, cruel or not, good or not, that is.not the point. Even a selfish teenager needs a motive, he being selfish just make the motive need to be smaller. Nobody run away from a loving (?) Home, or just a comfortable place only because they are selfish. William don't have not even the hint of a clear motivations, will may say that he didn't have before either, with would not be untrue, but the scenario allowed you to come up with a easier awnser. He was caught being a little to close with his twin sister, by their young sister, who they bullied her entire life. Is simply. Is easy. Even if this was never the case, with I doubt, the circumstances allowed better explanation. Now ? The awnser to all that kinda is mob law. And I liked the update, but we should be allowed to talk about its shortcomings along side the good, that have plenty, that image when William looked at the mirro ? Gut punching.

 

[RNasc4444]

I made it perfectly clear.

How can a hacker track someone's IP address by running ifconfig utility from the terminal? Why, when the hacker in the movie runs out of time, he/she just doubles the speed of typing and completes the job? Is the hacker's job really dependent on typing speed? Why didn't they just copy and paste? Or write a script to automate the job?

But I've seen it in many award-winning movies. Do you know why? Because the plot of these movies is not built on the details of a hacker's work. They don't need a full technical reproduction of a hacking session, they need a visual accompaniment to the plot episode: among the characters there is a hacker who can hack anything. Here he does his magic and they get access to a secure system. But these movies are not about hackers or the technological details of their work, they are about completely different things.

Ocean is not to blame for your lobotomy, you've been always like that. Stop guilt tripping him about your condition!

Some things just don't need explanation, they're prerequisites to the story.
You're like those annoying dudes who interrupt the story of "Guy walks into a bar and orders 30 shots..." with questions like, "Wait, why is there a bar there? Is their liquor license up to date? Who owns it?"

Now you're just being silly

If we were to go by your argument than there would no no good stories, no bad stories, no great or awful stories. All flaws would be dismissed. They would just all be stories at the exact same level of quality. There would be no difference between my writing and William Shakespeare's.

We know that isn't quite so, don't we? And the fact that so many intelligent people here can't make any more sense of this shit than I can, including yourself, then we must assume there are issues with the writing

We are all united in that regard. Some of us like it, other's not so much but we all know this is absolute nonsensical writing

 

[X2JZcf]

Clearly it wasn't Leia, something that although never confirmed before was heavily implied and much easy ti understand.

Young William kissing Katie is a big no-no. He was overcome by nostalgia for his murdered parents and just can't live with Zane's anymore.

 

[LHDLLB]

Young William kissing Katie is a big no-no. He was overcome by nostalgia for his murdered parents and just can't live with Zane's anymore.

Yeah, we already discusset it here

 

[Blowdry]

Any chance that some kind soul can split the game into a multi-part archive with each part under 5GB so people with free MEGA accounts can download WiaB, using MEGASync, on different days to beat the 5GB limit? The game is pretty big now, impossible to download in one go from a free MEGA account, and tricky to download in one go from the cloud with a slow internet connection like mine. It would be wonderful if somebody could do this and post links to the multi-part, enabling people like me with slow internet and a free MEGA account, to enjoy the game and maybe subscribe to the developer afterward.

Thanks.

 

[RNasc4444]

Echo chamberism, fellatio enthusiasm

OMG it just warms my heart that you remember

As my grandma used to say before she was taken out by the Mafia, "Find you someone who white knights you as hard as yossa999 whiteknights Ocean".

I never knew what that meant until know. Thanks grandma!

 

[Penfold Mole]

Any chance that some kind soul can split the game into a multi-part archive with each part under 5GB so people with free MEGA accounts can download WiaB, using MEGASync, on different days to beat the 5GB limit? The game is pretty big now and impossible to download from a free MEGA account, after importing the game, and tricky to download in one go, from the cloud, with a slow internet connection like mine. It would be wonderful if somebody to do this and enable people with slow internet and a free MEGA account to get to enjoy the game and maybe subscribe to the developer afterward.

Thanks.

Weird. I have a free MEGA account and I've been using MEGASync for as long as I have that account, but I never had any problems downloading larger-than 5GB files with it. I can even put my computer to sleep or restart it and the download just continues from where it was paused by the sleep or shutdown or MEGA download limit after the download limit resets itself.

I've been also able to bypass the limit by switching my IP address (using a VPN tunnel) after MEGASync hits the daily limit. Download simply continues while showing the "you have reached the 5GB limit" message and showing a red X as the status icon.

It sounds as if there's something specifically "weird" at your end.

Splitting a file into less than 5GB parts wouldn't affect the download limit, though... Unless you are trying to beat the limit by using different devices (not days as you typed) to download parts simultaneously or something. That's something I haven't tried and have no idea if this would work.

I think there's a download manager that can download MEGA files and beat the limit regardless, without switching IP-addresses or anything. It's been mentioned in various threads, but I don't remember how it's called.

PS.
I just found this page, HTH:

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Possibly this might work:

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[Mortarion]

Yeah, keep telling this BS to yourself bro and at some point you even start fully believe it like Ocean and some of his WK did.

Well, since reading and reading comprehension are undeniably not among your strengths, but denying facts is, here it is again in simple terms, so that even you should be able to understand it:

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  got nuked for violating the terms and conditions.
• WIAB patreon generated with
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• SubscribeStar is also not a save port for this kind of contend - post from me with links leading to the SS ToS, just in case you are able understand them
• Only a fraction of the supporters from Patreon migrated over to SubscribeStar.
• 
  
• The last time I had checked, SS had ~150-200 paid users- before the meltdown on patreon.
• That means only 100-150 paid members growth after patreon got axed.
• Changes had to be done to prevent the way
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  SG from getting dragged with WIAB down into the abyss.

I'm willing to admit that the removal of the incest bullshit could be done smarter, but it's absolutely not the end of the world like one or the other here think it is. In my opinion, the complete IC crap had to be axed way sooner.
And the mafia stuff...
... well...
...it was foreshadowed from the beginning - kind of...
I have seen better and worse.

All you guys should appreciate the SG supporters, without then, you can be sure that this game would be dead and buried by now. Don't get full of yourself, only with that lousy support from the WIAB crew, that game could not be viable on itself...

If I were Ocean, as a businessman form the financial PoV, I would have pulled the plug on this game a long time ago, simply because it doesn't justify the time spent on it for the little income it generates. At least is this my impression, from the calculations I have done with the poor data that are public available. Only on SS I'm able to get relatively good numbers what is coming in. I will not take into account things like job rotation or other stuff that prevents someone from going insane.