This is someone who is supposed to be so damned good at tennis she is going to go pro. WHY THE FUCK WON'T THESE DAMNED DEVS LEARN HOW THE FUCK TO HOLD AND SWING A TENNIS RACQUET!? Also that racquet is some shit kids use. What is that crap?
God, I hate tennis in visual-fiction so damned much.
Also, is it just me or is the actual dialogue writing in WiaB pretty bad compared to SG? I know Ocean is German, but man, some of this shit sounds like an alien failing at pretending to be human.
What I fear is that he has left a lot of blocks in both games connected to each other, which are supposed to build a broadly understood Oceanverse as a whole. And by making these changes, he will either be forced to change things connecting both games further to the point where they do not make any sense or they are simply not satisfying enough due to too much improvisation to force the blocks to fit together , or he will leave many things unchanged and the upcoming discoveries, which are supposed to be a meticulously discovered part of the planned intrigue at a time when Wiab was supposed to be something completely different, will end up devoid of any impact and emotional charge.
The games as independent creations can still come out on their own, but I have the impression that Oceanverse will fall to pieces. Let's be honest, to efficiently implement a universe that is to take place on several timelines and in several games, you need a lot of pre-production, cold planning and tedious methodological implementation over many years. Meanwhile, for some time now, Ocean has been giving the impression of a person whose entire work is the child of one big chaos
My long-held view of SG and WIAB and i-cest is that Ocean had to go all in, one way or the other. Remove the nod, nod, wink, wink BS.
He's done that with WIAB - in a way that's alienated many fans. It is what it is.
In terms of the links between WIAB/SG and the whole OceanVerse - I think the main issue will be SG characters who are progeny of WIAB characters.
Ayua is the obvious example. She's most likely Miru and William's daughter (i.e. part Asian, knows Miru's secret family fighting style, has last name Zane). How will that work if WIAB has a path where the MC rejects Miru? Will that even be possible? Like I said, I am in the wait-and-see camp.
I liked the update - given that I had low expectations on story and lewd progress (it is Ocean "Mr. Slow Burn" after all. It became obvious less than halfway through the update that there would be no decent lewd scenes with characters other than Miru - given the MC has to be a good boy until after the meeting to decide his fate).
If nothing else, the update showed that William cannot trust anyone - not Helen, not Leia, not Fish, and possibly not Miru. The power games are high-stake, and they all seem to have hidden agendas involving William. It remains to be seen if those agendas are good or bad for the MC.
I absolutely loved the power plays between William and Leia. That scene in the toilet was brilliant. William deliberately pressed the gloryhole button knowing a dick would come through and that Leia was the only person who could "service" that dick. Leia took it like a champ without blinking. Leia 1, William 0).
I got the impression the update showed another side of Miru, not a particularly good one. Acting as a "mob enforcer," Miru went from normal to rock-and-roll in the blink of an eye. Then in the car, she coldly explained how she'd cut off a finger if necessary, before giddily asking the driver to stop for a smoothy. We know Miru met the Krayt gang member, and she told William over the phone that she'd get information out of him. Most ominous was Miru looking at her carving knife as she told William about the harmless method she'd use to get information.
So, William spoke to Helen from his remand cell. Leia definitely did not know William had been in prison (her reaction to the news was too genuine) and William lied to her when saying he couldn't make a call from remand. Fish apparently didn't know William had been in prison either. That means Helen knew about William but told no one (at least not Leia and Fish). I think there is much more to be unravelled there that will explain why William left suddenly. PS - Yes, I know William never once being able to call while in prison isn't realistic IRL.
Anyway, after purchasing WIAB on Steam for a measly 12 bucks - I have to acknowledge all of Ocean's WIAB Patreons. Without them, there would be no WIAB on Steam. So, a genuine and heartfelt thank you, all of you. I also acknowledge that many of those Patreons feel betrayed because WIAB has strayed from the themes they originally provided financial support for.
I want a double date with Mc >Helen so bad and since she had the idea.. Miru >Dylan I always thought she could have some good content with him. her new daddy..
At this point he would have done better to separate them, and leave any similarities as quotes or references for the fans. but unfortunately (for him) he introduced Katie
Pardon me, but that is partly bull. Rapeday was banned for very good reasons, which had nothing to do with creative freedom. You choose an extreme here. I am not a fan of some Steam regulations, like geoblocking, but as long as it is part of the bigger story, Steam does not care about a lot of things in the games. And, unlike the s..heads at Patreon, Steam does not care about 18+ patches popping up outisde their hometurf.
Yeah sure budy.... again I dont like that game but the problem is that you can say the same about game of thrones ( which I do like) and get more cencorship this way..
Again if you use one thing becauae you dont like it ... it will also be uaed against other things ...
Creativ freedom ahould be for all things dosent matter if you like it or not ... but you cant say this scenes are allowed for game of thrones but not for a trash movie that is edgy or whatever...
This is just not true as soon as people like politicians( regulators), investors ( alot of people from congress)... get attention to this topics good luck
You know why house party got removed banned? Because streamers put attention to it and steam got alot of emails from angry prople
Steam is a buisness and cares about money and they need to follow regulations so they mabe dont care know with small games but as soon as it get attention steam will switch stance
Yeah sure budy.... again I dont like that game but the problem is that you can say the same about game of thrones ( which I do like) and get more cencorship this way..
Again if you use one thing becauae you dont like it ... it will also be uaed against other things ...
Creativ freedom ahould be for all things dosent matter if you like it or not ... but you cant say this scenes are allowed for game of thrones but not for a trash movie that is edgy or whatever...
This is just not true as soon as people like politicians( regulators), investors ( alot of people from congress)... get attention to this topics good luck
You know why house party got removed banned? Because streamers put attention to it and steam got alot of emails from angry prople
Steam is a buisness and cares about money and they need to follow regulations so they mabe dont care know with small games but as soon as it get attention steam will switch stance
Sorry buddy, but you are comparing apples and oranges here! Rapeday was only about commiting serial rape crimes, I do not really want to know what is inside the heads of the creators of that filth.
GoT on the other hand has incest, rape and murder as part of the story, but these deeds are NOT the focus of it. Completely different situation.
As for House party: House party is still sold on Steam, even on German Steam (currently on summer sale), unless you mean a different House party.
Sorry buddy, but you are comparing apples and oranges here! Rapeday was only about commiting serial rape crimes, I do not really want to know what is inside the heads of the creators of that filth.
GoT on the other hand has incest, rape and murder as part of the story, but these deeds are NOT the focus of it. Completely different situation.
As for House party: House party is still sold on Steam, even on German Steam (currently on summer sale), unless you mean a different House party.
Again you cant argue like that if you say we ban any typ of content dosent matter which typ and
than you allow one typ but than ban the other you will get into problrms brcause guess what ? People can also write angry emials or articels about game of thones and how controversial it is or people could argue its satanistic and goes against chriatian weatern values
Creativ freedom in books,movies,porn,videogames should be absoulute as long as its fictional
As soon as the public goes against incest games on steams it will get regulated because they care more about money than the kinks
Are we allowed to categorize this as slop now? Gourmet slop because visually it is stunning but the writing is on the level of most of the garbage you see in F95.
In July 2018, the game was removed from sale on Steam after a number of complaints over the game's content. House Party is now available in two different versions, the base game is rated "Mature" via Steam in which sex scenes are censored with black censor bars.
WIAB and SG will now be played high and not sober. Kept dozing off and really couldn't keep with the story. Guess the heavy mafia storyline jargon did it for me. Tired me out felt bored. Maybe give it another go once SG comes out next year or in a couple years whenever.
Since there aren’t enough sex scenes, people are focusing too much on the dialogue. Adding flashbacks of Dana trying to seduce her boyfriend and some casual club scenes would really help Ocean.
Are we allowed to categorize this as slop now? Gourmet slop because visually it is stunning but the writing is on the level of most of the garbage you see in F95.
Again you cant argue like that if you say we ban any typ of content dosent matter which typ and
than you allow one typ but than ban the other you will get into problrms brcause guess what ? People can also write angry emials or articels about game of thones and how controversial it is or people could argue its satanistic and goes against chriatian weatern values
Creativ freedom in books,movies,porn,videogames should be absoulute as long as its fictional
As soon as the public goes against incest games on steams it will get regulated because they care more about money than the kinks
Hi again! It is pretty obvious you do not understand my point. I am with Voltaire on the expression of meaning and creativity, but even he understood that this absolute freedom of expression is an ideal and cannot be reached. Since there are always dickheads which will abuse it, like the Devs of Rapeday did. It was absolutely right to ban this manure.
The big problem is where to put the borderline of what can still be said and what is a clear abuse. Unfortunately these borderlines are often set by those of loud mouths, but very small minds.
The real question is how much of the original story he wrote ahead is still intact at this point. Both game plots have already diverged a lot from their original concepts and the original 30 chapters were written for the old versions of the games, so it wouldn't be surprising if a lot, if not all of what was initially planned got scrapped along the way. It kind of feels like he's just might be improvising the story at this point.
I started a clean run of the new WIAB Steam build. No mods or walkthroughs (but then again, at this point, who needs a WT for chapters 1-3?).
The Monica Chapter 2 scene still has the relationships. "Your aunt's party". She and Ben call him William Zane. Haven't seen any mention of Miru's last name at all, and she's still referred to as Asian.
Did anyone know before Ch4 that William spoke to Helen while he was in remand? No! Does anyone know what they spoke about? No!
I don't think we know the full story/circumstances of William's departure from Wollust yet. The AVN is peeling back layers and presenting flashbacks that are small parts of a jigsaw puzzle we cannot yet fully understand, so I will reserve judgement for now.
I don't care one way or another about the i-cest, so I'm not gonna spit the dummy and proclaim the sky is falling in. I thought the rework would kill the relationship taboo/jeopardy entirely, so I was mildly surprised that Ocean gave an explanation/scenario that wasn't completely naff. If you don't find the new scenario believable at all, then get out in the world - there are plenty of places were people get murdered for getting in a relationship with someone from the wrong part of town, wrong family, wrong social caste, wrong religion etc.
This 100% It's like no one in this thread has played any of the 400 million mafia themed games available on this site that all have the "don't touch the don's daughter" rule. Or cinema with the same. I mean the aspiration of the mob gangster is to be admitted into the family because of loyalty, and that's what William now has to prove. And of course he's still a 'Zane' they've taken him in and 'recruited' him as theirs to prevent the people who murdered his parents from finishing the job. Nowhere does it mentione that the Zanes did the hit.
So, now that I'm done playing the whole of chapter 4, my take on the whole new family dynamics, what's new or has been changed, what's been confirmed, and the inconsistencies (if any). I'm only referring to what's contained in today's Season 1 release, not any previous releases...
To be honest, it is really worth it? At this point it's not a restoration mod, but an alternate story mod, which will take way too much of your headspace to unthread. Ocean's no longer writing an IC story, for good or bad. As far as the consistency goes, uncles, aunts vs Uncles and Aunts, it's pretty common in the mafia games I've seen. The difference is defining a nuclear family vs a group with aligned goals and a hierachy. We even get that Willi refers to himself as hyphenated. He's showing affiliation and aspiration to be a Zane. At some point Ocean will udoubtably include a scene to prove Willi and Leia aren't related with some show down between off continent Grimaldis and Pedersolis.
can someone please tell me why creators who are restricted by patreon/ss/steam policies dont shift their subscription to onlyfans where you can freely create adult content? So ocean can freely make the game he wanted to make?
Because it's a shifting target. Every new platform requires rebuilding from scratch. Ocean wasn't able to rebuild the Wiab patreon on SS with the numbers he lost when WiaB's patreon got cancelled. Devs can't just expect fans to follow them to every single new site each flavour of the month after a new ToS gets uploaded on the old one.
They're still "family", just not family. Katie is a "real" Zane, as are Kata and her parents and brother. Leia and MC were raised by the Zanes as wards, but not adopted. The relationships are emotionally the same. Some of it is stupid, but plausible in the world Ocean's created. Crime Families have rules and their own cultural quirks. They're not as out there as some other crime family games.
I am almost done with my first playthrough of the new version and content. I like it, for the most part. The new UI is a bit annoying, and the sex animations are high quality, but mostly boring and static. The story and characters are still good. I am not upset that I bought it on Steam.
Almost forgot to reply to this: I also like it. It's not the same but it has better internal logic than other compromises migh have resulted in. I think it lays a great foundation for an adult crime series where the focus is not the sex even though there is sex.
I mean, keeping the old story, once Willi and Leia are twins, what drama's left to uncover? the crime plot line. We'll the IC stuff is over and done, lets get on with the crime drama I guess? Works for me. The IC thing can't last 28 chapters or whatever it is without feeling forced, ar ortificially drawn out. This, action drives forward. Willi being chaotic, the chess references etc.
Ocean basically said on Discord today he feels Steam and GOG would eventually adopt the same policy as Patreon and Subscribestar. To quote him loosely, he’s not getting near that shit (incest) anymore.
Katie is adorable in the update. But I'm also suprised by how much more I appreciated Miru in this update. And Leia's not someone I'm interested in, but damn her character went leaps and bounds into cooler territory. Zoey also surprised me, especially when Willi gets the chance to lick her pussy. Dana's great too - I also like that Zoey gives Willi crap for dry humping her.
Wrong. They use Zane as a last name, which is used publicly. Their "new" last names are used as middle names, William Grimaldi Zane for example. That is explained in the game. It's stupid, but really mostly consistent, sort of.
My long-held view of SG and WIAB and i-cest is that Ocean had to go all in, one way or the other. Remove the nod, nod, wink, wink BS.
He's done that with WIAB - in a way that's alienated many fans. It is what it is.
In terms of the links between WIAB/SG and the whole OceanVerse - I think the main issue will be SG characters who are progeny of WIAB characters.
Ayua is the obvious example. She's most likely Miru and William's daughter (i.e. part Asian, knows Miru's secret family fighting style, has last name Zane). How will that work if WIAB has a path where the MC rejects Miru? Will that even be possible? Like I said, I am in the wait-and-see camp.
I liked the update - given that I had low expectations on story and lewd progress (it is Ocean "Mr. Slow Burn" after all. It became obvious less than halfway through the update that there would be no decent lewd scenes with characters other than Miru - given the MC has to be a good boy until after the meeting to decide his fate).
If nothing else, the update showed that William cannot trust anyone - not Helen, not Leia, not Fish, and possibly not Miru. The power games are high-stake, and they all seem to have hidden agendas involving William. It remains to be seen if those agendas are good or bad for the MC.
I absolutely loved the power plays between William and Leia. That scene in the toilet was brilliant. William deliberately pressed the gloryhole button knowing a dick would come through and that Leia was the only person who could "service" that dick. Leia took it like a champ without blinking. Leia 1, William 0).
I got the impression the update showed another side of Miru, not a particularly good one. Acting as a "mob enforcer," Miru went from normal to rock-and-roll in the blink of an eye. Then in the car, she coldly explained how she'd cut off a finger if necessary, before giddily asking the driver to stop for a smoothy. We know Miru met the Krayt gang member, and she told William over the phone that she'd get information out of him. Most ominous was Miru looking at her carving knife as she told William about the harmless method she'd use to get information.
So, William spoke to Helen from his remand cell. Leia definitely did not know William had been in prison (her reaction to the news was too genuine) and William lied to her when saying he couldn't make a call from remand. Fish apparently didn't know William had been in prison either. That means Helen knew about William but told no one (at least not Leia and Fish). I think there is much more to be unravelled there that will explain why William left suddenly. PS - Yes, I know William never once being able to call while in prison isn't realistic IRL.
Anyway, after purchasing WIAB on Steam for a measly 12 bucks - I have to acknowledge all of Ocean's WIAB Patreons. Without them, there would be no WIAB on Steam. So, a genuine and heartfelt thank you, all of you. I also acknowledge that many of those Patreons feel betrayed because WIAB has strayed from the themes they originally provided financial support for.
Out of reacts but again, pretty much nailed what I'm feeling too. There's a LOT of potential for this toactually simplify the plot transitions to SG in my opinion, and it's become much more of a unified concept.
I do get the disapointment of subs who subbed purely for the nudge nudge wink wink side of things, but the world is getting more regulated, not less.
Also, Ocean as a dev, as he gets older, will he want to be known as the dev of IC games to his family? People forget that devs have real lives. It's not just anonymous internet things. Ocean might have rethought the personal consequences of the story he's been writing, not just the headaches of finding ways to keep subs on platforms, but the real issue of the sideways glances at his family meets.
Hi again! It is pretty obvious you do not understand my point. I am with Voltaire on the expression of meaning and creativity, but even he understood that this absolute freedom of expression is an ideal and cannot be reached. Since there are always dickheads which will abuse it, like the Devs of Rapeday did. It was absolutely right to ban this manure.
The big problem is where to put the borderline of what can still be said and what is a clear abuse. Unfortunately these borderlines are often set by those of loud mouths, but very small minds.
There are 100 of articles like this about new series house of dragons ... also the ither side can argue it goes against christian values ... or killer games argument..
Its a very stupid idea to allow cencorship in any typ of form in fictional work dosent matter if you like it or not ...if you start regulating/ deleting things it will draw the red line a little bit further and further until its completly gone/ everything controversial happens off screen
Also extremly hypercrit to dont allow a weird game movie because content X I dont like but than say games of thones is allowed to have content X
You can already see it game of thones is more toned down than the books and house of dragon is already more toned down than game of thones .
