VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Steam] [Oceanlab]

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Turret

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Well, from a writer´s standpoint this is an unmitigated disaster! I am just a hobby writer, but if I delivered such a load of rubbish bin content, my readers would flay me alive - and rightly so! The characterisations have gone of the rail, events not fitting any longer, stupidity all around.
I still cannot get over the fact that Ocean tries to sell us Willi cares about the "family" enough to return. Helen is ar least partly (currently unclear if she ordered it directly) responsible for the death of William´s parents, he knows about and later on Helen abandoned him in prison and even glated about it. And now Ocean wants us to believe he returns to Wollust because Helen became mute?o_O(n)

Ocean is obviously telling us: I made a rewrite which is an offer the fans cannot refuse! (Godfather theme plays in the background)

The correct answer to this is easy.
Diana Burnwood: Welcome to Wollust, 47! I hope the flight was enjoyable. Your targets this time are...
This video is extremly fitting and a legend. Watch it.
 
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Turret said:
Well, from a writer´s standpoint this is an unmitigated disaster! I am just a hobby writer, but if I delivered such a load of rubbish bin content, my readers would flay me alive - and rightly so! The characterisations have gone of the rail, events not fitting any longer, stupidity all around.
I still cannot get over the fact that Ocean tries to sell us Willi cares about the "family" enough to return. Helen is ar least partly (currently unclear if she ordered it directly) responsible for the death of William´s parents, he knows about and later on Helen abandoned him in prison and even glated about it. And now Ocean wants us to believe he returns to Wollust because Helen became mute?o_O(n)

Ocean is obviously telling us: I made a rewrite which is an offer the fans cannot refuse! (Godfather theme plays in the background)

The correct answer to this is easy.
Diana Burnwood: Welcome to Wollust, 47! I hope the flight was enjoyable. Your targets this time are...
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It's just that the ocean goes crazy with its demons in its head, follows the rules of those sites where it is not published, it is necessary to check whether Berlin is stormed by the Soviet army. If WIAB fails in the sale, who do you think he will blame))
 
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This game just doesn't work without a patch. Summers Gone worked out fine after the changes, because it only affected one character and basically altered nothing about the plot.

With this though, way too much of the plot revolves around the family dynamic and relationships. Any tension that happens just gets destroyed by the "roommate" shit. It's just annoying and destroys any sense of immersion.

If no patch then just change the MC to be a childhood friend of the family or some shit, cause the roommate thing is just the VN equivalent of "what are you doing stepbro?!".

I'm not mad at Ocean or blame him for the changes, cause he's at the mercy of these sites, but It's just so jarring for the tone and story this game has.
 
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Maccabbee said:
That's not accurate at all. The ZANES wanted to marry the kids off for political reasons (at least, at first). Uncle Giuseppe is one of the three judges in their alliance with other families, they resolve disputes and punish rulebreakers that effect the alliance (think the Five Families in NY, they're different families, but there are rules that govern their interactions, and meetings to discuss disputes).
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It is never presented as a rule of Helen, but something imposed by Giuseppe and his associates; since William points out that if they were to know, he would be done for.

dameromexxx said:
Without remaking the first three chapters it will always feel off. From the first chapters you should feel that you are entering a mafia family home and meanwhile you have the impression that it is a standard family from some Texas and here boom surprise Italian Mafia and your girlfriend is not just a regular street smartass but a full style sociopath from Yakuza. Zane employs two people in a car repair shop where their entire criminal operation is which is worthy of the prestige of the great Donna where all those gangsters who work for Helen and Dylan. The only things we see are Leia's operations.

Summers Gone also needs corrections. All these renders and not a word about the fact that Ayua is basically the daughter of the Mafia, Sasha and her friends probably basically too and maybe even Summer and neither Mila nor Jeff who come from Wollust mention it not a word

deliberations about the origin of roomates were a waste of time because now they can be children of random thugs shot on the street

Both games will not look serious because it will turn out completely out of nowhere that most of the characters come from the criminal underworld without any preparation and thrown in casually as a surprise

You can make a universe like Romeo and Juliet and it can be quite cool but in a form like now it really looks like a rabbit pulled out of a hat

I'm really starting to have flashbacks and similar feelings like in the 2000s with Prison Break everything looks like a result of improvisation written on the knee
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All this
What kind of Boss depends on men loyal to his subordinate, especially a power-hungry subordinate like Leia.
From what we've seen it makes no sense that Donna Helen and her "family" weren't wiped out long ago.

BobTheDuck said:
but Helen's improved for me over this update. The hand cannon!
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No Bob, no
Everything is fine but not Helen
 
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So I'm a tad confused about all the "new" content with this update? I reloaded my last save, which was at that one scene in the bathroom stall with your GF while everyone else was waiting at the dinner table. And it ended fairly shortly after that. Didn't feel like anything really new was included. Do I need to restart to see the new content because it's actually earlier in the storyline or something?
 
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unspecified1234 said:
So I'm a tad confused about all the "new" content with this update? I reloaded my last save, which was at that one scene in the bathroom stall with your GF while everyone else was waiting at the dinner table. And it ended fairly shortly after that. Didn't feel like anything really new was included. Do I need to restart to see the new content because it's actually earlier in the storyline or something?
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Have you installed mods?
 
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unspecified1234 said:
So I'm a tad confused about all the "new" content with this update? I reloaded my last save, which was at that one scene in the bathroom stall with your GF while everyone else was waiting at the dinner table. And it ended fairly shortly after that. Didn't feel like anything really new was included. Do I need to restart to see the new content because it's actually earlier in the storyline or something?
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If you had it patched or modded then it won't jump to the new content.
You'd need a fresh save since a lot of the relationships and dialogue have changed to remove the incest, and chapter 4 twists it further so it's hard to just swap mom for landlady and have it work. Whoever makes a patch is going to have to rewrite sections of the story and it will probably get more complicated if we get another update.
 
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So.. apart from the incest rewrites and all the inconsistencies... :HideThePain:
Is it just me or the sex scene/s are just... boring...? Just three clicks and its gone?
No talk? banter? You know, something to make it erotic? It feels like cero love put into it, just... (nice) animation + animation and done. :poop:
 
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Dr.TSoni said:
Have you installed mods?
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Yes, the eye-patch.

jadepaladin said:
If you had it patched or modded then it won't jump to the new content.
You'd need a fresh save since a lot of the relationships and dialogue have changed to remove the incest, and chapter 4 twists it further so it's hard to just swap mom for landlady and have it work. Whoever makes a patch is going to have to rewrite sections of the story and it will probably get more complicated if we get another update.
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le sigh, I was afraid of that.
 
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Still can't believe we got La Cosa Nostra at home as a plotline in 2025. Jesus H Christ when was the last time mafia themes were popular? The 90's?!?!?!
 
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Why do I feel like every time I play this game, there is less content and just more text.
There isn't a single scene in this game that is interesting. With how slow this game updates It's going to be 2030 before we get a 4th scene with Miru.
This game was better pre-remake. At least it had some scenes then. Now it's just a mafia intrigue game where everyone hates the MC for no reason.
It's barely even a porn game anymore. And Liea still needs boob surgery, she's the only character in the game that looks like she went to a plastic surgeon and said, 50 bucks is all I have make my tits bigger.
Oh and we can remove the NTR tag from this game too. There isn't any.
There is also way too many girls in this game. Too many love interest.
 
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Turret said:
Well, from a writer´s standpoint this is an unmitigated disaster! I am just a hobby writer, but if I delivered such a load of rubbish bin content, my readers would flay me alive - and rightly so! The characterisations have gone of the rail, events not fitting any longer, stupidity all around.
I still cannot get over the fact that Ocean tries to sell us Willi cares about the "family" enough to return. Helen is ar least partly (currently unclear if she ordered it directly) responsible for the death of William´s parents, he knows about and later on Helen abandoned him in prison and even glated about it. And now Ocean wants us to believe he returns to Wollust because Helen became mute?o_O(n)

Ocean is obviously telling us: I made a rewrite which is an offer the fans cannot refuse! (Godfather theme plays in the background)

The correct answer to this is easy.
Diana Burnwood: Welcome to Wollust, 47! I hope the flight was enjoyable. Your targets this time are...
This video is extremly fitting and a legend. Watch it.
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Amen my bro

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