Because you're making assumptions based on what you saw in ch4 and basically rewriting everything in your head to fit that new narrative. If you take only ch1-3 into account there is nothing that points to her being a criminal. For all we know her entire background was retconned to fit the mafia shitshow.
That's not true at all, but we also weren't seeing their day-to-day life, just them fucking and playing a little. There definitely were discussions about her criminal activities where they were at least implied heavily. I played recently, but I've played four other games since then, so I will need to go back and play it again. The criminal stuff has always been in Ch1-3.
Nothing feels more like a loving family than being raised by those who killed or were at least involved in the slaughter of all your relatives. Whose heart would not be overflowing with love for these people?
You've never lived it, so you don't know shit about it. Also, why do you assume the Zanes did it or were involved. It's far more likely that the Grimaldi and Pedersoli families were allies, and were wiped out by the other families. The Zanes kept the kids alive and raised them. That bond is for over a decade. That's what is real. I doubt the kids even remembered their own families.
Nothing that was not there in the OG. This should ne nothing new to people who are old school around here, her character has not changed at all.
It works with Leia, the others have too much of a jump
Your perspective is alien to me. If the Zanes were truly allies, if they gave a single fuck about William and Leia they wouldn't have done the bidding of the monsters who killed their families. They would have "disappeared" both children. They would have made sure they grew up safe away from all this mess instead of being obedient little bitches and raised the kids as "tributes" or whatever nonsense Ocean invented.
No, you're just a dumbfuck that can't get over their butthurt. This isn't about mafia. They raised the kids, period, since they were little until they were sixteen. That forms bonds whether you want it to or not. Them taking in the kids and raising them all those years (I assume more than 10) cost them time, money, and effort. They obviously care.
Which means Patreon/SS would consider them family, nullifying the entire point of changing the relationship in Ch4.
Aaaaaaaaaand...back to square incest
The spirit of Schrödinger lives on strong in the OceanVerse...
I agree with the second two, but where the fuck is the Zane Crime Family nothing to do with Helen Zane, married to the boss, Dylan Zane (married in name only at this point. That's probably why they can't divorce: she's running things for him, but can't do that if she leaves the marriage, since women can't run shit?
It's funny because no matter how much he changes the current dynamic, they will always be family. The change just substituted blood for step, which is also against ToS and created a cascading effect to the detriment of William's character.Aaaaaaaaaand...back to square incest
I think you missed his point. The problem is...what the fuck are the Zanes running/doing at all that's connected to the Mafia? The only evidence we have of criminal activity and link to mob shit is through Uncle Joe and his illicit endeavours like the Club and the MC.
Yet I and many others are seen as the ones who can't let go. I asked for a complete fresh start and a story that made sense. Yet Ocean is so enthralled by this notion of "forbidden relationships" that all he did was replace "incest" for "mafia shit" with weird rules. And we still have a nonsensical narrative!!!
Even in the Steam edition, in Chs 1 - 3 all the criminal enterprises managed by Leia belong to Joey Arano - that's stated implicitly in the dialogues. There is not one criminal enterprise linked directly to the Zanes. Yet, in Ch 4, the FBI talks about the Zane crime syndicate with Helen as the matriarch. The FBI also state that Leia owns the nightclub, which earlier chapters state is owned by Joey Arano.
Well english is not my native language but I think I understood you quite well. Ocean goes out of his way to inform the player they don't see each other as family, there is no family relationships whatsoever, not by blood, law or consideration. And this is the problem Ocean has to fix. He wants to tell a famíly drama with out the family part. How many times Katie said William is not her brother ? Or William said Helen is not his mother ? Growing together dosent make you family, there are a number of things that goes into that, Ocean wants to replace it with the mafia plot and it can work but then the story wants to change futher and he dosen't want to do that and the result is that things don't fit together
Yeah, if that was the point, I missed it completely. I also see that you missed everyone's responses for the past week about that last part. We are only seeing what the MC sees so far, and he hasn't gotten involved in the real businesses yet. Fred's farm is part of the Zane business, not Joe's, so the drugs were grown/made by Zanes, and distributed by Joe's businesses, maybe? Krayts used to be friendly, or at least at peace, with the Zanes and Joe, until something make Joe beat the Krayt boss into a coma, and a troublemaker stepped up in charge, that was explained. You also keep separating the Aranos from the Zanes, when they are all the same family.I think you missed his point. The problem is...what the fuck are the Zanes running/doing at all that's connected to the Mafia? The only evidence we have of criminal activity and link to mob shit is through Uncle Joe and his illicit endeavours like the Club and the MC.
Wtf are the Zanes mixed up in? They have no security. No enforcers. No men that aren't Leia's. Apparently no capital either. As far as I can tell they own the house and a farm nearby. That's it
John, if this is pure sarcasm then forgive me. If not, are you blind? This has been discussed ad nauseam already, and is clearly explained in-game. Scarlett and Helen are blood sisters, no idea what their maiden names were. Helen married into the Zane family and effectively took it over, because Dylan is a beta. A butch beta, but still. Scarlett the Doctor married her brother-in-law's (friend? cousin? partner?), Joe Arano, a Motorcycle Club boss, owner of a nightclub, criminal drug dealer, etc.. I haven't seen any explanation for the relationship between Joe and Dylan yet. Also, who the fuck is Fred to either family? A friend? An employee? Maybe Scarlett and Helen's brother? We don't know, right?
I didn't see that at all. Ocean explains that outside the game, in forums and discord, but in-game Will still thinks of Helen as "mom" when he talks to Miru, but he's scared to call her that because he doesn't want to trigger her rage, which means that he used to call her that before he ran away. He still hates Dylan for the abusive treatment, but they hug it out (optionally) and still have a very father-son vibe. Maybe the kids have less of a family dynamic, but I found it the same as when they were complicated actual family. He certainly seems to think of Scarlett and Joe as an uncle and aunt, and Kata and Jacob as cousins, even if they never called each other that (even before the rework).
Except the incest hasn't gone, he just substituted the blood relation for some pseudo-familial relation where they were all raised in the same house, by the same parental figures for 13+ years.
