VN Ren'Py Where the Heart Is [S1 Rev1] [CheekyGimp]

[Jacowboy]

there is some wishful thinking in your recollections....

Katie reacts extremely sharply (which, for example, she does not do when she talks to Jenna about it) to the hypothetical

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and Lily reacts this way to a group hypothesis
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the only one with a more tempered reaction is Debbie

Wanna bet??

No wishful thinking here... you just messed up =P

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I skipped some of the Lily dialogues, but you get the gist... now it's a waiting game for Katie, basically... not sure how Jenna fits into it yet, except that Jenna is basically pushing Katie to the poly path... I don't know if it's possible without Jenna, but it might be given the situation with Lily & Debbie... we'll have to see I guess... But you better believe they're all open to it at this point, except Katie of course and that path is very much open so far.

 

[felicemastronzo]

This was in the older episodes when relationship between them was still fresh. Now things changed and Lily is open to the idea of sharing and Jenna is breaking Katie in so threesome or foursome might be possible

okay, but Katie never has this openness toward Lily and Debbie, and she is the one to be convinced, and so far there is no step in that direction.

the fact that Katie nonetheless listens to Jenna after catching her with Mc bodes well, but for this relationship: Jenna-Katie-MC, it's not like it automatically becomes a let-go for other possibilities

in the other possible relationships there is always a phrase, a dialogue that is hopeful: Jolina talks about Jenna and Jenna talks about Jolina, Jolina and Bella talk about it with MC

Katie never seems to me to open to any sharing with Lily and Debbie, at least not yet

 

[felicemastronzo]

Wanna bet??

No wishful thinking here... you just messed up =P

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I skipped some of the Lily dialogues, but you get the gist... now it's a waiting game for Katie, basically... not sure how Jenna fits into it yet, except that Jenna is basically pushing Katie to the poly path... I don't know if it's possible without Jenna, but it might be given the situation with Lily & Debbie... we'll have to see I guess... But you better believe they're all open to it at this point, except Katie of course and that path is very much open so far.

since the situation is uncomplicated let's also slip in Jenna --who has no complicity with Lily and Debbie

the obstacle is Katie, who has never gotten out of line

MC in theory is officially with Katie, so whether Lily and Debbie are possibilities matters very little, MC is not their boyfriend. even I willingly share what is not mine

 

[Jacowboy]

okay, but Katie never has this openness toward Lily and Debbie, and she is the one to be convinced, and so far there is no step in that direction.

the fact that Katie nonetheless listens to Jenna after catching her with Mc bodes well, but for this relationship: Jenna-Katie-MC, it's not like it automatically becomes a let-go for other possibilities

in the other possible relationships there is always a phrase, a dialogue that is hopeful: Jolina talks about Jenna and Jenna talks about Jolina, Jolina and Bella talk about it with MC

Katie never seems to me to open to any sharing with Lily and Debbie, at least not yet

Yes, I'm aware of Katie's retiscence, that's what I was saying... but Jenna talking with Katie might be a step in that direction... the question is:

1) Whether Katie will accept Jenna's proposition for a relationship between the 3 of them (50-50 at this point, but promising).

2) Whether that will influence her to also accept Lily & Debbie, and whether Jenna could be part of that poly relationship too.

3) and IF not, whether you'll be able to convince Katie without Jenna's help in the future to have a poly with Lily & Debbie (but not Jenna), which might also be possible, because otherwise what's the point of sooo much build up between Lily & Debbie for a throuple? I mean, if the devs ain't planning on doing it, I doubt they'd waste so much time and effort setting it up... it's certainly not easy getting all those conditions, but they are there.

 

[Jacowboy]

since the situation is uncomplicated let's also slip in Jenna --who has no complicity with Lily and Debbie

the obstacle is Katie, who has never gotten out of line

MC in theory is officially with Katie, so whether Lily and Debbie are possibilities matters very little, MC is not their boyfriend. even I willingly share what is not mine

Ay! You're being stubborn... on that playthrough I'm "officially" dating (as in boyfriend/girlfriend) Katie, Lily, Debby & Jenna...

And sure, the issue is Jenna has nothing to do with Lily and Debbie... yet, but it's not like they're complete strangers either... but it's like I said in my previous reply... there are several poly relationships that could happen.

 

[Machete]

Ay! You're being stubborn... on that playthrough I'm "officially" dating (as in boyfriend/girlfriend) Katie, Lily, Debby & Jenna...

And sure, the issue is Jenna has nothing to do with Lily and Debbie... yet, but it's not like they're complete strangers either... but it's like I said in my previous reply... there are several poly relationships that could happen.

Now, Dev might change mind, but thi way you are supposed to hit a bad ending.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Ay! You're being stubborn... on that playthrough I'm "officially" dating (as in boyfriend/girlfriend) Katie, Lily, Debby & Jenna...

And sure, the issue is Jenna has nothing to do with Lily and Debbie... yet, but it's not like they're complete strangers either... but it's like I said in my previous reply... there are several poly relationships that could happen.

I may be stubborn but you are too optimistic

with Debbie you can practically never declare yourself, the only chance is before the foursome, but to do so is to give it up

with Lily and Katie you can, but while Lily also agrees to be your second girlfriend, Katie even as a fuckbuddy keeps insisting



And she doesn't really take very well a non-declaration from you at that point

that doesn't sound like the best premise to me

the results of the talk between Jenna and Katie may be 3 overall:

1. Katie forgives Mc but still asks him to choose for good (to me the most likely outcome and also the most common one for now)
2. Katie agrees to share MC with Jenna
3. game over for Katie

now that Jenna can be so convincing as to push Katie to share MC not only with Jenna but also with her friends to me definitely seems like too much of an act of faith

that there is even a possibility of having Jenna and Katie is still an incredible step forward unthinkable until a few chapters ago (when faced with the revelation of Jenna and MC's relationship, Katie reacts irreparably with a game over for her)

so I'm not saying your scenario is impossible, but it remains highly unlikely

 

[DaimonFey]

I may be stubborn but you are too optimistic

with Debbie you can practically never declare yourself, the only chance is before the foursome, but to do so is to give it up

with Lily and Katie you can, but while Lily also agrees to be your second girlfriend, Katie even as a fuckbuddy keeps insisting

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And she doesn't really take very well a non-declaration from you at that point

that doesn't sound like the best premise to me

the results of the talk between Jenna and Katie may be 3 overall:

1. Katie forgives Mc but still asks him to choose for good (to me the most likely outcome and also the most common one for now)
2. Katie agrees to share MC with Jenna
3. game over for Katie

now that Jenna can be so convincing as to push Katie to share MC not only with Jenna but also with her friends to me definitely seems like too much of an act of faith

that there is even a possibility of having Jenna and Katie is still an incredible step forward unthinkable until a few chapters ago (when faced with the revelation of Jenna and MC's relationship, Katie reacts irreparably with a game over for her)

so I'm not saying your scenario is impossible, but it remains highly unlikely

Read ACEWINZ comment about relationships

Not harems, some girls won't accept sharing, or only allow as a one off. There are some who are external enough from others that seeing them on the side is possible long term, although that is dicey going into the endings and your character will still be a cheater, just longer term. Actual solid acknowledged relationships where everyone is in the know, won't be huge, but can be larger than 3. That is as specific as I'm willing to get.

I don't see possibility of any pairing other than Jenna/Katie/Lily/Debbie with 3 or more girls.

 

[_Fran-K]

There were very few Katie scenes in the last episode or did I just not see it? sad

 

[felicemastronzo]

Read ACEWINZ comment about relationships


I don't see possibility of any pairing other than Jenna/Katie/Lily/Debbie with 3 or more girls.

I had read it, and the reference to those who don't accept sharing seemed to me, however, to be referring also to Katie, who quite surprisingly doesn't kill anyone after seeing MC and Jenna kissing

Jolina and Jenna also have a history behind them, so it cannot be ruled out

Jolina and Bella depends on what the revelations will be in the next chapter, but again both what obstacles would there be? they were a couple and already showed willingness to share

Debbie and Lily are almost a fact

Debbie, Lily and Katie a faint hope

Katie and Jenna an unexpected surprise

Wanda and Angel seems unlikely, on Angel's part, but not impossible

 

[Zerorox]

Katie is quite strict 'bout sharing MC, but still forgive a lot MC's fun moments so far, maybe it sounds strange but I don't really want her to accept trouple relationships

I like her like she is, perfect classical (vanilla) wife, totally intetested only in one man, without any bi-curious tendencions, always ready to kick ass to anyone Who tried to harm MC (even if MC don't want that and it's really stupid LOL)
Great Character overall, bright and loyal, worth called main LI

Still I presume Katie + Jenna is possible somewhat, but if Katie Will ask to choose one... I'll choose Katie without any doubts

 

[LionHeart 95]

In my opinion, it is a dead lead

once Debbie and Lily find out that MC is in a relationship with Katie they get out of it, only a first/last date is granted.

but the important point for me is that none of the subjects ever talk about the possibility of a polyamorous relationship, even as a dream, which is what happens with the other microgroups.

Lilly is open if Katie is open its in the script during the cooking class, also we know Debbie and Jenna are good so it is all in how we help Jenna and Katie get together, certain choices will add towards Katie accepting Jenna. A Katie MC Jenna scene doesn't mean it will be sister on sister more like sister watching or tag teaming mc sorta like thee gym scene.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Lilly is open if Katie is open its in the script during the cooking class, also we know Debbie and Jenna are good so it is all in how we help Jenna and Katie get together, certain choices will add towards Katie accepting Jenna. A Katie MC Jenna scene doesn't mean it will be sister on sister more like sister watching or tag teaming mc sorta like thee gym scene.

I still don't see this willingness of Katie to have an open relationship with even Debbie and Lily

so Debbie and Lily's openness for now falls on deaf ears; they would not object, but Katie would.

and that getting caught with Jenna could have such widespread positive repercussions seems to me too optimistic a dream even for an AVN

 

[Zerorox]

At least Jenna clearly stated that she don't like sharing MC but she's ready for anything Just not to lose him
So she's not a Cuck Queen and I think there is some possibility that she'll reconsider her position if MC'll bring the whole harem...

Lily last date shows this relationship become only platonic before You'll get Katie's approval

Debbie... yeah, MC did some great work getting into her panties, but if it'll be relieved, this relationship Will meet it's end, and even if not, one word from Katie...

So as I said, Katie is main wife in this harem, the core, and If developer Will not change his mind... In the end all MC's work in this way May be futile (they all love Katie, and MC'll probably be dumped by 5 girls in one moment if including Monica cause she thought they're already real couple and Will not forgive cheating, bruh this Will be even more epic then that KJM family break up)

 

[LionHeart 95]

I still don't see this willingness of Katie to have an open relationship with even Debbie and Lily

so Debbie and Lily's openness for now falls on deaf ears; they would not object, but Katie would.

and that getting caught with Jenna could have such widespread positive repercussions seems to me too optimistic a dream even for an AVN

I just thought of a possible bad outcome for Mc. this point system where Katie accepts Jenna or even the points where Katie accepts lesbian tendencies could backfire and Katie dumps Mc for Lily and Debbie. and Jenna gets Jo and possible Bella, maybe that's what will happen! see two harem's in one VN. is that better?

 

[felicemastronzo]

I just thought of a possible bad outcome for Mc. this point system where Katie accepts Jenna or even the points where Katie accepts lesbian tendencies could backfire and Katie dumps Mc for Lily and Debbie. and Jenna gets Jo and possible Bella, maybe that's what will happen! see two harem's in one VN. is that better?

It is impossible

 

[allanl9020142]

So is this worth playing? The renders don't look that great and it looks like music isn't a thing until chapter 23. That's a long trudge to get to all the way from ch 1.

 

[ename144]

Now, Dev might change mind, but thi way you are supposed to hit a bad ending.

Eh, I think like Katie, the devs' bark is a bit worse than their bite. There won't be a full harem, but there are going to be a lot of smaller combos. The last few episodes have made it pretty clear Katie can come around on the idea of sharing the MC (as long as he lies about it properly). The only thing that's still unclear to me is if Jenna can join in on the Katie sub-harem or if she would need a separate time-share arrangement with Katie alone.

My money is on it being separate, but we'll have to see what happens.

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So is this worth playing? The renders don't look that great and it looks like music isn't a thing until chapter 23. That's a long trudge to get to all the way from ch 1.

If you like character interactions and story, yes it's definitely worth playing. The renders improve throughout the course of the game, too.

 

[Jacowboy]

Read ACEWINZ comment about relationships


I don't see possibility of any pairing other than Jenna/Katie/Lily/Debbie with 3 or more girls.

Exactly... A harem is basically when you can "catch them all" and marry them and all that... a poly relation is not the same... The only "larger than 3" poly relation I see viable right now is with those 4... mind you, I haven't played all routes (it's a looong game) but not all groupings make sense. What other viable larger than 3 poly options are there?



Regarding Katie: Katie is part of the "main girls" group and as such there is a character arc for her, much like for Jenna... Jenna's character development arc is getting out of her shell and dealing with her physical insecurities, which she has mostly completed at this point... Katie's arc is also about dealing with her insecurities (which are more emotional/psychological in nature) and she's been extremely stubborn up to this point.

While it's possible that she won't ever change, it'd be kinda lame if she never did because that would mean an incomplete character arc, and I just don't see that happening, since the writing is actually quite good.

 

[Jacowboy]

Eh, I think like Katie, the devs' bark is a bit worse than their bite. There won't be a full harem, but there are going to be a lot of smaller combos. The last few episodes have made it pretty clear Katie can come around on the idea of sharing the MC (as long as he lies about it properly). The only thing that's still unclear to me is if Jenna can join in on the Katie sub-harem or if she would need a separate time-share arrangement with Katie alone.

My money is on it being separate, but we'll have to see what happens.

EDIT:

If you like character interactions and story, yes it's definitely worth playing. The renders improve throughout the course of the game, too.

Yeah, that's basically my question... but I'm hoping it'll be possible.

It's true that Jenna basically has no story beats with Lily/Debbie but they do know each other... Lily and Debbie are always at Monica's from what we've seen, and Jenna knows them quite well even if they don't hang together... so it's not as much of a stretch as say, I dunno, Angel or Wanda or the carnie chick joining that group out of nowhere. But I have to concede that it's more likely that Jenna ends up either in a throuple with Katie or with Jo.

However I don't see Katie accepting anyone else outside of the people she knows and loves, so that's Lily, Debbie, Jenna and Monica at most. She'd obviously never agree with Bella, Angel, Wanda, Natasha, etc... even with Jolene since she just doesn't even know her.

Speaking of Monica, I haven't romanced her, I've ignored the milfs so far, so I don't even know if you can romance her and the 2 daughters at the same time... something tells me that doesn't work, buuut who knows, it might be possible, has anyone tried?