VN Ren'Py Where the Heart Is [S1 Rev1] [CheekyGimp]

[anne O'nymous]

As for the gold digger I would naturally think it is more likely to be someone that is throwing herself at MC, more that someone you have to chase and seduce.

You're taking the problem from the wrong angle, limiting the benefit to one third of the inheritance. A real gold digger would want as much as possible, and therefore try hard to make the two other fails ; "It be a real cold one, with plans on top a' more plans".

Monica: A close friend from you father or parents, an older lady. seems a bit off.

It cannot be her. According to what she know about the will, if she have the MC, he don't have the money.

Elaine: Come on, she is like your mother in law. Very suspicious.

It can be her, yes, but...
"I see many years in the cold...separation from you [MC]. You were kept apart but it was the fault of another", clearly refer to her. So, she wasn't lying when she said that it's the father who forced her to be a bitch, and therefore she can be sincere in her interest and desire to catch-up the lost time.


But anyway you missed something. It's, "she's Dizzy by NAME but not by nature" ; you're looking at the girls according to their behavior, it's not at all what is asked. I really doubt that "NAME" was wrote in all uppercase without reason ; while the "not by nature" is clearly here to say, "hey, I don't talk about Lily".
So, what girls have a dizzy name ? Angel, Bella, those are names that imply so much greatness, right ?

This said... What about Theresa who, thanks to her son, know the girls who own the coffee shop where the e-mail have been sent ? So far, it's, with Jolina herself, the only person that we can link to the e-mail. And it's also one of the few possibilities for the third person on the will.

I stuck around when it was cleared up and decisions would have consequences.

Decision still have consequences, I can assure you. It's clearly visible in the code, it's implied by acewinz, and I implied it myself in the message you quoted. The fact that you can have a harem ending do not mean that you can only have this ending, not that it will be an "all girls in" harem ; it's clearly not what will happen.

As for the ending not making sense, have you seen any inconstancy in the story ? There isn't, yet there's already some scenes that depend on two, and sometimes three, previously made choices. The variations are more than correctly handled, and your choices really change how a scene is played. I don't see why it should be different for the endings ; you'll have something effectively unique and coherent.

Knowing Cheeky; these are false flags to throw off people nosy enough to go poking through the code

There is, but they are alas too obvious.
But in the dialog it's something else, still as clearly confusing, or confusingly clear, I'm not sure

 

[Maviarab]

hell I could do with some Katie/Wanda (Can you imagine you and Katie Doming Wanda? That's someone I can't see Katie getting Jelous over ever as she would be more like a pet to the two of you. )

The real true best ending

 

[acewinz]

Did Debbie ever had a dick inside her or MC's dick was the first one to enter her?

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[freedom.call]

It cannot be her. According to what she know about the will, if she have the MC, he don't have the money.

It's unlikely but she could be the 3rd in the will, more money if MC stays.

 

[Ranting Old Man]

It's unlikely but she could be the 3rd in the will, more money if MC stays.

Nah, Monica isn't in the Will. I'll bet money on it. To me there is only one person whom a clue was given that may be in the will as well and that's Theresa. This doesn't mean however there isn't Drama a foot from the others coming regardless.
Monica could be hiding that she is truly the one who destroyed your parents relationship.
Bella's infatuation is already on some creepy stalker vibe if you pay close attention and could start some issues later on with you like blackmailing you.
I mean the way I see Cleos prophecies is that every single one of them has a double meaning which is why they are never clear.
Meaning there very well could be two Vipers and two gold diggers, each with plans within plans but for different reasons.
I'm keeping my eyes opened.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

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I'm not totally sure that it still apply, as least strictly speaking.

Beyond the scene, this update have some opening regarding some harem routes.

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It doesn't mean that there isn't some girls that will not make it to the harem (hello Mabel and Wanda), or that will complicate things (hello Theresa, Elaine and Bella). But so far you aren't stuck with a pure monogamous route. Anyway, I assume that Cheekygimp will continue like that, and force us to choose when a girl can't make it to the harem with the choices we previously made ; so technically we can continue to pursue all the girls without consequences. And if you take Lily/Katie case as reference, you have to choose only if you haven't been a good friend by helping Debbie get in Lily's pants, and so haven't been a good lover who did what is good for Katie's besties. Therefore, continue to be the best possible friend and lover, and it's possible that you'll be good and avoid the obligations to make a choice.

So far, and obviously from my sole point of view, the main question regard the possibility to have both Monica, Jenna and Katie. Yet, there's some possible clues about the future. If Monica is ready to forgive you for what you did with one of her daughter, the suspicion variable goes up to 99, and starting there, she have some lines where she take it really good ; this while usually disabled variables get a negative value. So, it's not impossible that the suspicion double as a slow acceptation.
And there's also the possibility of a two mutually excluding harem routes, one resolving around Monica and her daughters, and one resolving around Elaine and Bella.

So, separate yet equal groups? I'll take it.

One of Cheeky's primary goals with this project was to keep it semi-realistic with the relationships and characters. He did especially at the start have minimal fallout if you play the field and lie/cheat (so long as you are good with choices) with the intent that you can't have it all in the end. Primarily so people could see the maximum content on a single playthrough while still being realistic. Now that we have the quickstart that could change, but I imagine we will try and stick to the precedent. But people will have to make some choices in the end. They may have more options than they think, but fewer than they'd like.

As long as one of those options is a relationship with Jenna, a relationship with Monica & Zarah, and a relationship with Katie, Debbie, and Lily, then I'll be happy. Don't mind losing the rest.

Did Debbie ever had a dick inside her or MC's dick was the first one to enter her?

Considering she was 100% hot for Lily before he arrived, so yeah, I'd say he was.

 

[freedom.call]

Nah, Monica isn't in the Will. I'll bet money on it. To me there is only one person whom a clue was given that may be in the will as well and that's Theresa. This doesn't mean however there isn't Drama a foot from the others coming regardless.
Monica could be hiding that she is truly the one who destroyed your parents relationship.
Bella's infatuation is already on some creepy stalker vibe if you pay close attention and could start some issues later on with you like blackmailing you.
I mean the way I see Cleos prophecies is that every single one of them has a double meaning which is why they are never clear.
Meaning there very well could be two Vipers and two gold diggers, each with plans within plans but for different reasons.
I'm keeping my eyes opened.

My word there's a lot going on in your game, meanwhile our MC waffles through the days unburdened by conscious thought.

 

[mistwolf_2k]

It's unlikely but she could be the 3rd in the will, more money if MC stays.

You are looking at it through rose colored glasses. At what point does it seem like the dad has anyone's best interest in mind. He is still trying to screw over everyone that meant anything to him. There is a hook for Elaine to keep the house, there is a hook for Elaine to get the money (which is separate), there is a hook for the MC to get the money. Up to this point all of those hooks have had those people destroying their happiness to achieve money (assuming that Elaine's terms are to sever all communication with the MC, as is likely from the way the dickhead works). Need to look at what could be most damaging to the potential characters, then i think we have a clue.

 

[Avaron1974]

The fact that you can have a harem ending do not mean that you can only have this ending,

Having a harem at all is the problem.

For personal reasons it means I lied to people for months based on something I read which pisses me off. Did that once before, fucked if i'm doing it again.

For story reasons it literally goes against everything in the narrative except 1 person.

Jenna is the only one that would fit a harem and a solo harem is a bit silly. She is the only one that has specifically stated she likes to watch him with others and wouldn't be bothered.

2 girls have stated they will not share at all so making Lily or Bella as main LI makes any sort of sharing silly or those paths need retconning.

Katie has put the blocks on anything to do with Jenna and her mother, Monica also put the block on anything to do with her kids.

The idea of an old fashioned girl like Elaine sharing could possibly work small scale but anything bigger is just ridiculous.

The idea of any of them going above 4 people, and that only works for a specific 4 people and even that's a pish going by Katie's outbursts and nearly getting violent with her friends over it.

The numbers are one thing but the narrative doesn't back it.

Semi realistic was mentioned and as far as the narrative goes there is no way of making larger groups and keeping it semi realistic. There is no way Monica is okay with sharing when it involves her kids and keeping it semi realistic. It would need a lot of deus ex mechina style magical maggufin bollocks to make any of that work.

That was my problem many months ago before I was told no harem and why I stopped playing way back then. I started playing when the harem thing was cleared up and things made sense again.

Now i'm reading that things aren't going to make any sense again or there are going to be complete personality shifts in order for endings to "fit", I won't say make sense because they don't.

What you pointed out points to a lot of things happening I personally don't like the sound of at all and makes everything i've said for the past month or so a complete lie. I believed what I was told and and went by that and argued that case now evidence says I was a fucking idiot for listening

It wasn't implied, I was told no harem.

Some of the groups that have been pointed out just look ridiculous to me based on narrative and a direction i'm not liking.

Rather than me keep repeating what numbers say is a lie i'll apologise to those i've argued with, it seems I was very wrong

 

[MrFriendly]

That's what I thought, big groupings always look fucking moronic and would never work while Monica, Katie and Jenna goes against everything all of them have said.

Not liking that at all.

Way back when I came on here and annoyed the shit out of you by insisting that a Harem ending would "totally" make sense... And now I have to say I was absolutely wrong. I've played this game multiple times since then and I have settled on two runs - 1) Monica and 2) Katie.

The idea of Monica being okay with permanently sharing the MC with Zarah doesn't seem to fit her personality, a one off drunk threesome? Maybe. Katie seems even less likely to be willing to permanently share considering how jealous she can act. Even the idea of a foursome seems unlikely considering her jealous nature.

But I'm not the dev so what do I know?

So, separate yet equal groups? I'll take it.

As long as one of those options is a relationship with Jenna, a relationship with Monica & Zarah, and a relationship with Katie, Debbie, and Lily, then I'll be happy. Don't mind losing the rest.

Considering she was 100% hot for Lily before he arrived, so yeah, I'd say he was.

I just don't see how they would agree to it. I mean some of the individuals may be willing to share with other individuals but, once again, not on a permanent basis. Of course the ending could be less realistic in terms of relationships but it would be disappointing.

 

[freedom.call]

You are looking at it through rose colored glasses. At what point does it seem like the dad has anyone's best interest in mind. He is still trying to screw over everyone that meant anything to him. There is a hook for Elaine to keep the house, there is a hook for Elaine to get the money (which is separate), there is a hook for the MC to get the money. Up to this point all of those hooks have had those people destroying their happiness to achieve money (assuming that Elaine's terms are to sever all communication with the MC, as is likely from the way the dickhead works). Need to look at what could be most damaging to the potential characters, then i think we have a clue.

That's fair. I still think the MC is his main focus, he wants the MC to start choosing money over anything and not run to Monica. I don't think Monica is in the will fwiw. Katie or Jenna could be. It's very confusing.

 

[acewinz]

Having a harem at all is the problem.

For personal reasons it means I lied to people for months based on something I read which pisses me off. Did that once before, fucked if i'm doing it again.

For story reasons it literally goes against everything in the narrative except 1 person.

Jenna is the only one that would fit a harem and a solo harem is a bit silly. She is the only one that has specifically stated she likes to watch him with others and wouldn't be bothered.

2 girls have stated they will not share at all so making Lily or Bella as main LI makes any sort of sharing silly or those paths need retconning.

Katie has put the blocks on anything to do with Jenna and her mother, Monica also put the block on anything to do with her kids.

The idea of an old fashioned girl like Elaine sharing could possibly work small scale but anything bigger is just ridiculous.

The idea of any of them going above 4 people, and that only works for a specific 4 people and even that's a pish going by Katie's outbursts and nearly getting violent with her friends over it.

The numbers are one thing but the narrative doesn't back it.

Semi realistic was mentioned and as far as the narrative goes there is no way of making larger groups and keeping it semi realistic. There is no way Monica is okay with sharing when it involves her kids and keeping it semi realistic. It would need a lot of deus ex mechina style magical maggufin bollocks to make any of that work.

That was my problem many months ago before I was told no harem and why I stopped playing way back then. I started playing when the harem thing was cleared up and things made sense again.

Now i'm reading that things aren't going to make any sense again or there are going to be complete personality shifts in order for endings to "fit", I won't say make sense because they don't.

What you pointed out points to a lot of things happening I personally don't like the sound of at all and makes everything i've said for the past month or so a complete lie. I believed what I was told and and went by that and argued that case now evidence says I was a fucking idiot for listening

It wasn't implied, I was told no harem.

Some of the groups that have been pointed out just look ridiculous to me based on narrative and a direction i'm not liking.

Rather than me keep repeating what numbers say is a lie i'll apologise to those i've argued with, it seems I was very wrong

Hehe. You don't have to worry about us changing to a harem even based on patreon demand. Despite appreciating the occasional baby making harem incest game myself (Sisterly Lust IE), it just doesn't fit for WTHI. The closest Cheeky and I agreed to go,

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[freedom.call]

Looks like Wanda is a dead end. Is nothing sacred anymore?

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I just don't see how they would agree to it. I mean some of the individuals may be willing to share with other individuals but, once again, not on a permanent basis. Of course the ending could be less realistic in terms of relationships but it would be disappointing.

My philosophy sometimes when it comes to fictional writing is that anything can make sense if you make it make sense.

In terms of the 6 women I'm most focussed on:

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I even envisioned when I played this update how a conversation with Katie, Jenna, and Monica might go down if/when they find out and honestly didn't find it that hard to make it work within the context of this story. It's not that it has to be a typical h-word and I'm not saying that, but it could just be separate indviduals/groups.

Hehe. You don't have to worry about us changing to a harem even based on patreon demand. Despite appreciating the occasional baby making harem incest game myself (Sisterly Lust IE), it just doesn't fit for WTHI. The closest Cheeky and I agreed to go,

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Sisterly Lust's model for the h-word wouldn't fit this game, that is true, but something like

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could still work.

 

[acewinz]

Looks like Wanda is a dead end. Is nothing sacred anymore?

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[Qmil679]

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Oh no. Just not her! Please!

 

[Avaron1974]

Sisterly Lust's model for the h-word wouldn't fit this game, that is true, but something like

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could still work.

Except it wouldn't and this is why I have issues with harems here.

Katie, Bella, Jolina, Lily and Jenna would all be looking to move into the beach house with him and they are all parts of different groups.

Monica, Zarah and Elaine would probably be wanting him to move in with them and, again, different groups.

Now he'd have to split his time with the other girls which fucks romance out the window because there are so many girls he'd be spending a few hours a day with one or another and a few of them would be expecting them in bed with him every night.

Lily would only take anything with Deb if you aren't on her route because on her route she wants MC and only MC while looking for advice on how to turn Deb down. Katie's route would be MC and Katie together with the occasional switch around and orgy because no way does she accept anything perma.

Monica may accept a 3some with Zarah but full time, not seeing it.

There is absolutely no way to make anything semi realistic involving multiple groups or even large groups, it just wouldn't work and would look silly as fuck.

Out of every single game on this site i've seen 2 that would work as a harem and that's Sisterly Lust and Parental Love. Both because the MC isn't the be all and end all of the relationship, the girls are all fucking each other too.

The only way it works is if the story is completely ignored and it's turned into a fuck fest because there is no narrative where anything you said works and doesn't look ridiculous.

Your version of things takes all these girls that are looking for a loving relationship and making them okay with a timeshare fuck probably once a week and spending the rest of the time on their own instead.

If you remove relationships and just make them all fuck buddies .... still wouldn't work, most of them are young and attractive and would deff meet someone else in that state, there is no way that would work long term.

I would argue all the above but just like several months ago the numbers say one thing and the devs say another so either the endings going to make sense or it's going to be a cluster fuck of nonsense.

 

[I'm Not Thea Lundgren!]

Except it wouldn't and this is why I have issues with harems here.

Katie, Bella, Jolina, Lily and Jenna would all be looking to move into the beach house with him and they are all parts of different groups.

Monica, Zarah and Elaine would probably be wanting him to move in with them and, again, different groups.

Now he'd have to split his time with the other girls which fucks romance out the window because there are so many girls he'd be spending a few hours a day with one or another and a few of them would be expecting them in bed with him every night.

Lily would only take anything with Deb if you aren't on her route because on her route she wants MC and only MC while looking for advice on how to turn Deb down. Katie's route would be MC and Katie together with the occasional switch around and orgy because no way does she accept anything perma.

Monica may accept a 3some with Zarah but full time, not seeing it.

There is absolutely no way to make anything semi realistic involving multiple groups or even large groups, it just wouldn't work and would look silly as fuck.

Out of every single game on this site i've seen 2 that would work as a harem and that's Sisterly Lust and Parental Love. Both because the MC isn't the be all and end all of the relationship, the girls are all fucking each other too.

The only way it works is if the story is completely ignored and it's turned into a fuck fest because there is no narrative where anything you said works and doesn't look ridiculous.

Your version of things takes all these girls that are looking for a loving relationship and making them okay with a timeshare fuck probably once a week and spending the rest of the time on their own instead.

If you remove relationships and just make them all fuck buddies .... still wouldn't work, most of them are young and attractive and would deff meet someone else in that state, there is no way that would work long term.

I would argue all the above but just like several months ago the numbers say one thing and the devs say another so either the endings going to make sense or it's going to be a cluster fuck of nonsense.

There isn't going to be a harem in this game. Trust me on this

 

[bluehound36]

"She is Dizzy by NAME but not by nature" - As some have suggested, saying this could be Lily, for me has no basis.

Why not? She's the only one that's been referred to by that as a nickname and it obviously upset her if that option is chosen in dialogue during the conversation it happens. She may have very well been seeing the MC's dad in the final year or two of his life. Nothing's been brought up about how long he was cheating on elaine, just that he was.

 

[Avaron1974]

There isn't going to be a harem in this game. Trust me on this

Based on narrative, characters and plot I agree but the numbers don't.

There is no point me keep saying there is no harem when the numbers behind the game is telling people that's exactly what it is.

I can't compete when there is evidence to the contrary.