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Dammit! You reminded me of a condom joke I had for the Elaine scene I forgot to throw in... Oh, well.. always next time.
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Ok! *puts on hip waders and a brave/foolish (didn't take much...) expression
I'm on Ava's side regarding Elaine (well duh). I won't go deeper in to the discussion about abuse since I have literally nothing to add to that.
I do think people are being a little harsh on her but as Ace said, we all see things from our own perspective so it's all good. I'm also 99% certain that Elaine is not the villain here and after the cliffhanger i'm even more certain (99.1%). I think she is being set up by Bella/Jo.
Is calling Elaine a cold hearted bitch hardcoded or a choice? I don't remember calling her that since I went the kind route with her from the start. Almost all accusations about how she behaved towards the MC has come from Bella and Elaine herself in my game.
*gets out of these ridiculous rubber pants......
I'm on Ava's side regarding Elaine (well duh). I won't go deeper in to the discussion about abuse since I have literally nothing to add to that.
I do think people are being a little harsh on her but as Ace said, we all see things from our own perspective so it's all good. I'm also 99% certain that Elaine is not the villain here and after the cliffhanger i'm even more certain (99.1%). I think she is being set up by Bella/Jo.
Is calling Elaine a cold hearted bitch hardcoded or a choice? I don't remember calling her that since I went the kind route with her from the start. Almost all accusations about how she behaved towards the MC has come from Bella and Elaine herself in my game.
*gets out of these ridiculous rubber pants......
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Supposed to wait until the shit storm is over not take them off before it even begins.
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they chafed......Supposed to wait until the shit storm is over not take them off before it even begins.
Crippy
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You ain't the only one on AVA's side...I love her as much as my wife will allow me to!
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hope alot more since I feel like this stuff needs way more content with the main cast. However I guess it's about to reach the finish line.
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if we take away Elaine's feelings of guilt towards MC and her desire (sincere or not) to rebuild a healthy relationship with him (sentimental or not), I think she has very little left. she would become the parody of the sexually repressed milf....
if MC is very hard on her, she never doubts the reasons of his anger, she hopes he will one day forgive her. but in the same way even choosing the opposite options it is always MC who forgives her, the past is never erased, at the most the guilt is partly shifted towards her father, but Elaine never completely exonerates herself
but then heck there really is a path of guilt....
if it was all a misunderstanding, an overreaction of Mc, if we remove this premise, what is the meaning of the story we are living? why Elaine would have been so uncomfortable with the presence of Mc to have to kick him out of her house the day after the funeral of his father? why should she get involved with lawyers to make sure that both have something?
the past is not in question, what is in question is the truthfulness of their present relationship, which is deliberately kept doubtful, with more shadows than lights
if MC is very hard on her, she never doubts the reasons of his anger, she hopes he will one day forgive her. but in the same way even choosing the opposite options it is always MC who forgives her, the past is never erased, at the most the guilt is partly shifted towards her father, but Elaine never completely exonerates herself
but then heck there really is a path of guilt....
if it was all a misunderstanding, an overreaction of Mc, if we remove this premise, what is the meaning of the story we are living? why Elaine would have been so uncomfortable with the presence of Mc to have to kick him out of her house the day after the funeral of his father? why should she get involved with lawyers to make sure that both have something?
the past is not in question, what is in question is the truthfulness of their present relationship, which is deliberately kept doubtful, with more shadows than lights
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Sorry, I am afraid I have to disagree with you on this one. The kind of neglect Elaine and the dad heaped on MC is most assuredly also emotional abuse and can in the long run lead to severe mental problems and abusive relationships, though MC might have the luck that his more early youth having been in a more stable loving situation with his mom will protect him from that. Fact it happened soon after losing his mom, will not have helped though.
Thing is long term emotional abuse is every bit as damaging to a person as physical or sexual abuse, just even harder to proof and see. It is not for nothing that by now things like coercive control and similar abusive patterns are accepted as full on abuse when they happen between a man and a woman in a relation and is even accepted as ground for jail sentences or if the abused one gets violent not to send them to jail. Now if that is the case for grown men and women in an emotionally abusive relationship, do you think it will be any better for a kid or young teen?
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Guys, can we stop going around and around with this? It's been what, 120 pages now?
We feel differently about it and that is all good but seriously, this is getting a little silly....
See what you people have done! Making me be the voice of reason.......IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK ON ME!!!
We feel differently about it and that is all good but seriously, this is getting a little silly....
See what you people have done! Making me be the voice of reason.......IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK ON ME!!!
Victims often (not always) victimise out of self-preservation or trauma, deliberately or not, until a change occurs. But every situation is also unique, fictional or not.
There has never been a drama, mystery, thriller, soap-opera, comedy or tragedy that didn't involve someone as a victim, and an antagonist or situation to stir the plot.
Whether the characters actions make sense in our own perceptions and experiences don't really matter to the story told. But we do bring those forward when you get choices on whether you play the game and in the MC responses.
After all... it's effective writing/scripting if it actually impacts on the audience enough to create uproar and emotional connection, right?
There has never been a drama, mystery, thriller, soap-opera, comedy or tragedy that didn't involve someone as a victim, and an antagonist or situation to stir the plot.
Whether the characters actions make sense in our own perceptions and experiences don't really matter to the story told. But we do bring those forward when you get choices on whether you play the game and in the MC responses.
After all... it's effective writing/scripting if it actually impacts on the audience enough to create uproar and emotional connection, right?
That's the problem!!!!! I was looking for a PORN game with good renders and a decent story, now i almost care more about the story then the lewd parts.
Something it's not right, it's not acceptable to feel guily in ditching a character to prevent harm to another one, not in a porn game
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You're projecting harder than an IMAX theatre here. I didn't ignore anyone. I listened to everyone and weighed out all the possibilities. You on the other hand, have been reaching further than Stretch Armstrong ever could to try and make excuses for Elaine. You've made up an entire fantasy about Elaine being a doting mother for years, all because they used to eat together at a dinner table for an unspecified amount of time a long time ago.
You also like to claim that Elaine fought for years on behalf of the main character, because the father's recorded will said that Elaine used to complain about his treatment of the kid before she fell in line and did what she was told. That is a rather generous interpretation of events. I'd say that her complaining about their treatment of the kid means that she complained about the treatment of the kid. I'm not going to take that to meant that she was fighting on his behalf for years, because fighting isn't the same as complaining, and we weren't told how long it went on for. What I will say, is that it shows that Elaine knew that what they were doing to this kid was wrong the whole time, but she still went along with it. Which isn't exactly a good look for her, is it?
You also like to insist that Elaine was only ever guilty of ignoring him and not actually being mean to him (because being cold to a twelve year old boy who just lost his mother and was forbidden to ever see the loving family who help raise him is totally not mean at all), and that the kid was not a kid, even though Elaine specifically says "You were just a kid and I wasn't nice to you at all, so no wonder you grew up hating me. And I let it happen. It made it easier for me to be mean to you and to ignore you if I let you hate me."
Absolute best case scenario for Elaine is that she was suffering something similar to battered wife syndrome, which was the result of the years she spent with Don before his ex-wife died. The worst case scenario is that she was a gold digger who felt guilty enough about her treatment of a kid to complain about it for a while, but not enough to actually do anything to counteract it. There's no talk about her secretly being nice to the kid when the father was away, or anything of that sort. So for the foreseeable future, I'm still going to suspect her of being a gold digger who had to change her plans after she found out that she wasn't guaranteed the house that she threw the kid out of after his father died.
Elaine made the father promise her the house while he was sick, then she kicks out the kid immediately after his death. We then saw that the cold and cruel father actually suspected Elaine would do just that, so he left his son the beach house and $100,000 just to make sure that he wasn't out on the streets. Only after Elaine learns that her ownership of the house is temporary (unless the will conditions are met) does she have a change of heart. And what a change it is.
Elaine: Please don't think you can come back if you are having trouble finding somewhere. I want to be very clear. This is no longer your home and you are not welcome here. Please let me know your new address ASAP and I'll ship the rest of you stuff. I don't want it in my house. If I don't hear from you in three days, I'll assume you don't want it and it will go in the trash.
That was before the will. But shortly after the reading, it's a complete flip. She's showering the main character with affection and begging him to move in with her and going on and on about how she misses having a man around to dote over. She talks about how she wishes that they could've been like a family before and she wants them to be like one now. And then, after several days of that, she asks him to promise to give her the house if he ends up in possession of it.
And that's why I'm more than a little skeptical when it comes to Elaine. Because it's the logical thing to do.
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Just finished this and I seem to be missing about 70 points on Debbie and 80 points on Lily. Are there Debbie-only and Lily-only scenes in Chapter 20? I did the foursome in Chapter 19 so I'm not sure where I missed so many points with them. Katie is also missing about 60 points.
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Also if you include Donald's words about him "hoping Elaine let's you stay in the house", then I think it's starting to all come together.
Seems clear that the Dad might be an asshole but he still wants the best for his son and in his twisted way, its for him to grow a spine and be able to take care of himself, hence the will conditions.
From this, we can assess what Donald knows:
Monica is a mother figure and has loved the MC like a son before so he knows as soon as he dies MC will end up depending on her, the will condition is his attempt to mitigate it.
Elaine will likely kick MC out of the house as soon as he dies, and from his words, we know Donald still wants MC in the house, so from this, we can assume his way to mitigate this is to have a will condition for Elaine.
Also, if supposedly Elaine was also a "mother figure" to MC before, why did Donald not add her into MC condition if he thinks she will go back to her motherly ways after his death and dote on the MC?
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