VN Ren'Py Where the Heart Is [S1 Rev1] [CheekyGimp]

[aleexx]

this is simply awesome its amazing i recommend this game

 

[Benares]

After all... it's effective writing/scripting if it actually impacts on the audience enough to create uproar and emotional connection, right?

That's the problem!!!!! I was looking for a PORN game with good renders and a decent story, now i almost care more about the story then the lewd parts.

Something it's not right, it's not acceptable to feel guily in ditching a character to prevent harm to another one, not in a porn game

 

[Alfred the Fallen]

That's the problem you and a few others have, you take everything the MC has said to be gospel and ignored everything else the game has told you.

You're projecting harder than an IMAX theatre here. I didn't ignore anyone. I listened to everyone and weighed out all the possibilities. You on the other hand, have been reaching further than Stretch Armstrong ever could to try and make excuses for Elaine. You've made up an entire fantasy about Elaine being a doting mother for years, all because they used to eat together at a dinner table for an unspecified amount of time a long time ago.

You also like to claim that Elaine fought for years on behalf of the main character, because the father's recorded will said that Elaine used to complain about his treatment of the kid before she fell in line and did what she was told. That is a rather generous interpretation of events. I'd say that her complaining about their treatment of the kid means that she complained about the treatment of the kid. I'm not going to take that to meant that she was fighting on his behalf for years, because fighting isn't the same as complaining, and we weren't told how long it went on for. What I will say, is that it shows that Elaine knew that what they were doing to this kid was wrong the whole time, but she still went along with it. Which isn't exactly a good look for her, is it?

You also like to insist that Elaine was only ever guilty of ignoring him and not actually being mean to him (because being cold to a twelve year old boy who just lost his mother and was forbidden to ever see the loving family who help raise him is totally not mean at all), and that the kid was not a kid, even though Elaine specifically says "You were just a kid and I wasn't nice to you at all, so no wonder you grew up hating me. And I let it happen. It made it easier for me to be mean to you and to ignore you if I let you hate me."

Absolute best case scenario for Elaine is that she was suffering something similar to battered wife syndrome, which was the result of the years she spent with Don before his ex-wife died. The worst case scenario is that she was a gold digger who felt guilty enough about her treatment of a kid to complain about it for a while, but not enough to actually do anything to counteract it. There's no talk about her secretly being nice to the kid when the father was away, or anything of that sort. So for the foreseeable future, I'm still going to suspect her of being a gold digger who had to change her plans after she found out that she wasn't guaranteed the house that she threw the kid out of after his father died.

Elaine made the father promise her the house while he was sick, then she kicks out the kid immediately after his death. We then saw that the cold and cruel father actually suspected Elaine would do just that, so he left his son the beach house and $100,000 just to make sure that he wasn't out on the streets. Only after Elaine learns that her ownership of the house is temporary (unless the will conditions are met) does she have a change of heart. And what a change it is.

Elaine: Please don't think you can come back if you are having trouble finding somewhere. I want to be very clear. This is no longer your home and you are not welcome here. Please let me know your new address ASAP and I'll ship the rest of you stuff. I don't want it in my house. If I don't hear from you in three days, I'll assume you don't want it and it will go in the trash.

That was before the will. But shortly after the reading, it's a complete flip. She's showering the main character with affection and begging him to move in with her and going on and on about how she misses having a man around to dote over. She talks about how she wishes that they could've been like a family before and she wants them to be like one now. And then, after several days of that, she asks him to promise to give her the house if he ends up in possession of it.

And that's why I'm more than a little skeptical when it comes to Elaine. Because it's the logical thing to do.

 

[VonRaschke]

Just finished this and I seem to be missing about 70 points on Debbie and 80 points on Lily. Are there Debbie-only and Lily-only scenes in Chapter 20? I did the foursome in Chapter 19 so I'm not sure where I missed so many points with them. Katie is also missing about 60 points.

 

[acewinz]

Just finished this and I seem to be missing about 70 points on Debbie and 80 points on Lily. Are there Debbie-only and Lily-only scenes in Chapter 20? I did the foursome in Chapter 19 so I'm not sure where I missed so many points with them. Katie is also missing about 60 points.

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[zetsupetsu]

Elaine made the father promise her the house while he was sick, then she kicks out the kid immediately after his death. We then saw that the cold and cruel father actually suspected Elaine would do just that, so he left his son the beach house and $100,000 just to make sure that he wasn't out on the streets. Only after Elaine learns that her ownership of the house is temporary (unless the will conditions are met) does she have a change of heart. And what a change it is.

Elaine: Please don't think you can come back if you are having trouble finding somewhere. I want to be very clear. This is no longer your home and you are not welcome here. Please let me know your new address ASAP and I'll ship the rest of you stuff. I don't want it in my house. If I don't hear from you in three days, I'll assume you don't want it and it will go in the trash.

That was before the will. But shortly after the reading, it's a complete flip. She's showering the main character with affection and begging him to move in with her and going on and on about how she misses having a man around to dote over. She talks about how she wishes that they could've been like a family before and she wants them to be like one now. And then, after several days of that, she asks him to promise to give her the house if he ends up in possession of it.

And that's why I'm more than a little skeptical when it comes to Elaine. Because it's the logical thing to do.

Also if you include Donald's words about him "hoping Elaine let's you stay in the house", then I think it's starting to all come together.

Seems clear that the Dad might be an asshole but he still wants the best for his son and in his twisted way, its for him to grow a spine and be able to take care of himself, hence the will conditions.

From this, we can assess what Donald knows:

Monica is a mother figure and has loved the MC like a son before so he knows as soon as he dies MC will end up depending on her, the will condition is his attempt to mitigate it.

Elaine will likely kick MC out of the house as soon as he dies, and from his words, we know Donald still wants MC in the house, so from this, we can assume his way to mitigate this is to have a will condition for Elaine.

Also, if supposedly Elaine was also a "mother figure" to MC before, why did Donald not add her into MC condition if he thinks she will go back to her motherly ways after his death and dote on the MC?

 

[HSHS1111]

Donald himself said in the tape the 3 people in the will are the only ones he gave a damn about. But ultimately I think his interest in his son is mostly dictated by him wanting to leave a "legacy". Hence why the MC was never good enough.

 

[Avaron1974]

Also, if supposedly Elaine was also a "mother figure" to MC before, why did Donald not add her into MC condition if he thinks she will go back to her motherly ways after his death and dote on the MC?

That's because he thinks he's driven enough of a wedge there.

Besides that he has a grudge against Monica. Donald has a massive ego and if you read between the lines in places he tried it on with Monica at some point. If she's to be believed and I don't see any reason not to believe her, she turned him down because his wife was her best friend, that would have pissed him off so he's punishing her as much as he's punishing the MC.

He refused to let her see the MC when he took him from her and kept her away from him for years.

 

[DA22]

Donald himself said in the tape the 3 people in the will are the only ones he gave a damn about. But ultimately I think his interest in his son is mostly dictated by him wanting to leave a "legacy". Hence why the MC was never good enough.

Yeah, that is why I would not be surprised if Dizzy's condition would also include something like having a kid from MC or even worse get married and stay married to MC and take care of him financially. Dizzy seems exactly the kind of person I can see dad believing could raise a grandson in his image and considering how hard he tried to form MC in his image, somehow I have problems imagining dad as someone that would give his whole inheritance to someone not off his blood.

Also in defense of the dad (I still consider him to be a conniving, manipulative and coercive bastard to make sure nobody gets the wrong idea ) and even if MC might consider it a bit scarce considering his total fortune, I suspect millions of 20-22 yo would jump with joy for the chance to start their adult life with the title to a beach house that can be used as a fully functioning house, a good car and USD 100.000. It fits with dad's behavior overall in taking care of MC's minimal physical needs and even a bit more, but no regards whatsoever to his emotional needs.

He does give his son a chance and enough to be able to walk away if he wishes so, with a nice seed even though mainly just enough to get a good start and have a reasonable chance to build a good life for himself if he works hard. Not enough to guarantee it.

From MC's side well he has a choice, take what his father offered and walk away and live his own life with a decent start or following the conditions and have it all or at least most of it at the price required.

My overall suspicion considering the will is that dad has at least partly been lying to MC and his main goal was not to man him up, though that may be a secondary goal, but that the three conditions likely work together to right a wrong that dad felt was done to him in the past and that he might also blame for MC being to soft for his liking. Dad as portrayed I can easily see holding a grudge forever, just wondering why he did not use his fortune to get that revenge when he was alive or right that wrong. Well maybe we will find out if my suspicion or wild speculation as it may well be pans out.

 

[DA22]

That's because he thinks he's driven enough of a wedge there.

Besides that he has a grudge against Monica. Donald has a massive ego and if you read between the lines in places he tried it on with Monica at some point. If she's to be believed and I don't see any reason not to believe her, she turned him down because his wife was her best friend, that would have pissed him off so he's punishing her as much as he's punishing the MC.

He refused to let her see the MC when he took him from her and kept her away from him for years.

I suspect Dad has an even bigger beef with Monica and might even not be completely wrong from his pov. Something likely did happen in past, just if looking at it from Monica's or Mom's side it may be completely different. Now this is just pure speculation from my side, but what if Monica tried a sting on dad to show Mom he was a cheating bastard or to make him back of in custody case or pay up the alimony, that was partly successful?

Well I can see both Elaine and Monica not wanting to talk about that to MC, while both would have a completely different view about what happened at that time from their perspective.

Now likely it will be something completely different, that it will include and concentrate more on both the mom and MC though and is more as just a failed tryst I am pretty sure.

 

[HSHS1111]

Yeah, that is why I would not be surprised if Dizzy's condition would also include something like having a kid from MC or even worse get married and stay married to MC and take care of him financially. Dizzy seems exactly the kind of person I can see dad believing could raise a grandson in his image and considering how hard he tried to form MC in his image, somehow I have problems imagining dad as someone that would give his whole inheritance to someone not off his blood.

I've said this quite a while back, thinking about the dads motivation in all this. He isn't just doing it for shits and giggles. The only thing that fits with what clues have been strewn throughout the game is him wanting a "worthy heir" to his legacy.
Why did he get another "lover" (*cough* breedable womb *cough*) after Elaine? Because she is a "barren bitch" who wouldn't give him a child!
The MC was spoiled in his eyes but given his infertility he is the only way to continue his legacy. So he's trying to force us to keep away from people he's likely to end up with Monica and more important her daughters while. But still giving us some means to "date" someone (nice car, beach house).
Then force Elaine to break with the MC to force him out of the house where his chosen "broodmare" would have trouble to make a move on him.
And finally force the third recipient who he had chosen previously to carry his heir to get pregnant from his son and raise the child to a certain "standard", whatever that may be. Who that is isn't certain but I'm leaning heavily towards Bella.

I suspect Dad has an even bigger beef with Monica and might even not be completely wrong from his pov. Something likely did happen in past, just if looking at it from Monica's or Mom's side it may be completely different. Now this is just pure speculation from my side, but what if Monica tried a sting on dad to show Mom he was a cheating bastard or to make him back of in custody case or pay up the alimony, that was partly successful?

The thing is I see no reason to doubt Monica's side of story? This was years back so it's unlikely her business was in financial trouble at the time. The only reason I could feasibly imagine would be that she actually had something going on with the dad and then for some reason that broke down. But she really doesn't strike me as that kind of woman through all this. She would have easily found someone else as a partner in all the time since then.

 

[MrFriendly]

I've said this quite a while back, thinking about the dads motivation in all this. He isn't just doing it for shits and giggles. The only thing that fits with what clues have been strewn throughout the game is him wanting a "worthy heir" to his legacy.
Why did he get another "lover" (*cough* breedable womb *cough*) after Elaine? Because she is a "barren bitch" who wouldn't give him a child!
The MC was spoiled in his eyes but given his infertility he is the only way to continue his legacy. So he's trying to force us to keep away from people he's likely to end up with Monica and more important her daughters while. But still giving us some means to "date" someone (nice car, beach house).
Then force Elaine to break with the MC to force him out of the house where his chosen "broodmare" would have trouble to make a move on him.
And finally force the third recipient who he had chosen previously to carry his heir to get pregnant from his son and raise the child to a certain "standard", whatever that may be. Who that is isn't certain but I'm leaning heavily towards Bella.



The thing is I see no reason to doubt Monica's side of story? This was years back so it's unlikely her business was in financial trouble at the time. The only reason I could feasibly imagine would be that she actually had something going on with the dad and then for some reason that broke down. But she really doesn't strike me as that kind of woman through all this. She would have easily found someone else as a partner in all the time since then.

What if Monica’s business was started with money from the asshole?

I don’t believe that but I do feel like Monica knows more than she is willing to admit... But then I’m so paranoid I won’t open the pod bay doors no matter who asks.

 

[blademaster89]

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, so I'd expect a progression towards the "ultimate 4 way", which presumably would be one of the last major sex scenes in the game. Not much you can do to top that once it happens, unless they really do go for a harem ending.

Would it still be a harem if the girls have no idea that they are in the harem and are all pregnant at the same time? Damn, will they kick our MC out of their lives once they find out what happened or are so hopelessly in love with the baby daddy that they learn to co-exist with one another?
Only Cheeky can tell :

 

[acewinz]

What if Monica’s business was started with money from the asshole?

I don’t believe that but I do feel like Monica knows more than she is willing to admit... But then I’m so paranoid I won’t open the pod bay doors no matter who asks.

I'm starting to wonder if all the conspiracy stuff Cheeky and I have strewn about hasn't made everyone a bit paranoid.

 

[MrFriendly]

I'm starting to wonder if all the conspiracy stuff Cheeky and I have strewn about hasn't made everyone a bit paranoid.

I mean, seriously, after the length we've been waiting for all this information and to have the game near to ending... We are gonna conspire on some theories like you won't believe!

 

[Kukipett]

This game is evil because it will lead you to make to worst possible choices and after chap 20 you end up beeing a total asshole building your harem without taking care of the feelings of anybody.
The ultimate selfish prick !!
I did fall into that trap and now i feel bad about this, i tried to clean up the mess i have done, but how will i manage to look them in the eyes again, so for that playthrough my only solution would be to go away by accepting the deal and just hope that those poor girls will quickly forget about me and my crap.
Sorry girls, i have been a dick and i'm ashamed for what i've done, maybe i should search for a chair and a rope with a sipknot !!

Ok so i guess i will make another playthrough and beeing a good boy avoiding the temptations of the devil and be true and faithfull, i will make Monica my true love and be just friend with the others, it will not be easy but i will try, i promise !

 

[HornyyPussy]

I'm starting to wonder if all the conspiracy stuff Cheeky and I have strewn about hasn't made everyone a bit paranoid.

a bit? A BIT? A BIT?

this place is nuttier than a squirrel farm....

 

[VonRaschke]

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Thanks for the info. I ended up looking at the image files to see what I missed and it seems that I erred a few episodes ago where I didn't choose the option of wanting Debbie for myself and instead chose to help her out with Lily while also pursuing her and so I didn't get the option at the beach house to choose her (although I did have the options for just Katie, just Lily, and the foursome). I'd have to waste a bunch of time going back just to change that decision while keeping all of my other decisions so I guess I'll stay on my current harem path where I'm slanted more towards Katie out of the 3, but still keeping my options open with Debbie and Lily (but no solo scenes with them in Chapter 20 since there doesn't appear to be a way to do the foursome scene and get those scenes this chapter).

Fun game, though. The writing is a bit odd but this is definitely one of the best games I've discovered on here. Hopefully the harem path ends up possible with all of the plot threads beginning to converge.

 

[acewinz]

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I mean, seriously, after the length we've been waiting for all this information and to have the game near to ending... We are gonna conspire on some theories like you won't believe!

But is it really a paranoid conspiracy if someone is really out to get you? Does that simply make it reality?

Plus who we aren't all that close to the end. We have 3 side arcs to close up (1 is close, 1 will require about 2 Eps to finish, and the 3rd is just started) and God knows how many more twists and turns we will inject before the end of the major plot... then the epilogues.

 

[acewinz]

Thanks for the info. I ended up looking at the image files to see what I missed and it seems that I erred a few episodes ago where I didn't choose the option of wanting Debbie for myself and instead chose to help her out with Lily while also pursuing her and so I didn't get the option at the beach house to choose her (although I did have the options for just Katie, just Lily, and the foursome). I'd have to waste a bunch of time going back just to change that decision while keeping all of my other decisions so I guess I'll stay on my current harem path where I'm slanted more towards Katie out of the 3, but still keeping my options open with Debbie and Lily (but no solo scenes with them in Chapter 20 since there doesn't appear to be a way to do the foursome scene and get those scenes this chapter).

Fun game, though. The writing is a bit odd but this is definitely one of the best games I've discovered on here. Hopefully the harem path ends up possible with all of the plot threads beginning to converge.

You could always use the quickstart to change the major choices so you are where you intended to be.