relation points I think.Lower the relationship to avoid a person,higher to get with a character.
Variable is the stat,u have pts for corrupt love exib voyeur and dom.
unless I didn’t understand what u are asking.
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Variable is the stat,u have pts for corrupt love exib voyeur and dom.
unless I didn’t understand what u are asking.
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How about focusing on selected few and fleshing them out instead of introducing one wave after another?
Currently, Abigail and Alex had one single decision (ignore her, compliment her in front of your wife) and later on she had an entirely independent sex scene with Neil that didn't add much to relationship beyond confirming the obvious that Neil is a womanizer. So the Alex/Abigail path is effectively nonexistent as of yet. How much different is her character from Eva, who also works under Neil and obeys his schemes and who also teases Alex? Abigail seems redundant.
The same applies to Jessica and Rachel. Both are swingers and part of a couple that potentially have the hots for the two MCs. The gym couple is redundant, Jessica and her husband and lover already provide everything the gym couple could offer.
The game just started and as much as I wanted it to succeed, I already see elements of redundancy that spell doom for future development hell. A world map that doesn't matter and just stretches out the game because its a kinetic novel and we can just go from scene by scene. A mobile phone app that has the usual redundant fluff. Too many characters whose roles aren't different enough from each other to justify their presence. Other games were mentioned and I don't want to go off topic, but in those games, the love interest are ideally vastly different from each other to justify their existence.
Anything positive to say or do you just piss everything? Good grief man. Should he just start all over?
hi, i find the bbc trope moronic, so I couldn't disagree with this statement more strongly. I hope that makes sense.
I can see how abigail might feel somewhat redundant to Eva; though to me Eva is a much more important fleshed out character whereas Abigails kinda a side piece (for either neil now or alex later).
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The gym couple offers a lot that Jessica and her husband don't, and cannot...
The gym couple would be Alex and Sarah's "own" first time adventure/exploration, and not risk what would otherwise be a good friendship/relationship between neighbors. With no pre-existing attachments, the gym couple offers Alex and Sarah a "safer" option...
They're also a better equal swinging option than Jessica and her husband, who are more along the cuckold variety....
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Man U repeating yourself since yesterday,we u made your point of clear no need to make 100 about it.Second the dev have replied u,he even plan adding more characters.
U can’t force a dev to change radically his vision.Be realistic there is no dev who can satisfy everyone.
ye you put it better than me, bbc is only a part of my objections.
For me, even if erik was a white guy, the first pairing (3 group?) still had much stronger cuck overtones.... yeah yeah I know the husband came out to join them at the end when Alex was leaving, still. It's the sex plus the way they interacted with alex and sarah; both were kinda dodgy/shifty (both erik and jessica) - contrast that with the gym couple where within 5 minutes everyone had warmly met everyone and it felt more like a 'same page' kind of thing rather than a power dynamic.
Granted some may like these things I've just described - so it's good those characters are in the game for them. But definitely not interchangeable with James/Rachel.
You can't escape the power dynamic anyway. Putting the husband in a closed off side room during the phto shoot for example - what could be more demonstrative of power? Rules made for him how to watch his own wife and how to behave. This is a humiliation in itself. I know that's not what certain people want to hear but what is it with this utopia of totally power-free fucking around?
Or the therapy situation - and I don't mean that she is working for the boss, but even if thatwas not the case, just the institution of therapy and how it works, how she instructs people in the corporate context - if that is't hardcore power I don't know what is. But none of the power-sensitive people seem to be bothered by that.
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Making him wait in the lobby and see nothing at all?...
Photographers and studios have their own rules.
Some allow an audience, some don't...
And that scene wasn't wrong at all.
Sarah might have been more nervous, hesitant, or distracted looking at her husband if he was in the same room.
It could definitely interfere with the "process", especially for a non-professional, inexperienced model...
Allowing the husband to watch at all, even in the next room, was a rather polite courtesy and a fair compromise.
1. The point was not if this is "wrong" or not - but that it's power, and making "rules" and "allowing" something or not is exactly that. I don't get why people accept that from a fucking photographer but not in sexual relationships. Every relation has to do with power. Same questions there: whom are you allowing to watch and what? Same problem.
2. More specific to the photo shoot: it's obvious that the next-room-situation is important for him becooming a voyeur. If he sat in the main room it would have been more of an interaction, he would have been participating in a way. Being made to watch your own wife posing on a screen from a distance is making you into a voyeur - if you want it or not. He is kind of "forced" to watch because that's what the room is there for and he is present and not present at the same time, has nothing else to do (different from being on the golf course). Just think of those small little cabins in the old peep shows. So it's not about the reasons the photographer had but how this affects the experience of the husband, how he feels. He is feeling passive, sepeerated, deprived of influence. Maybe some people don't see that because they are more prepared to comply without thinking about it.
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Overthinking this stuff way too much.
There is no such thing as overthinking. That's what people say when they have nothing to say in the matter itself but nevertheless strong opinions and aversions.
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It's a game, play it and enjoy it or not. Every nook and cranny of the game doesn't need to be analyzed so thoroughly.
Why do you think the dev made two possible scenes with the shoot - one with pictures on the phone and on the golf course and one in the room at the photo shoot? He surely thought about that.
Different people enjoy the game on different levels. I for example couldn't give a fuck about if a villain fucks the girl or if I get a choice for every such decision - you do obviously. So we have different interests.
u thinking too much,just enjoy the game lol
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I love the comments "Just enjoy the game." "You are thinking too much."
I think being critical is key to helping media as a whole and why even have a forum if we can't express this and our opinions. DealBreaker has pointed out a major flaw, which everyone is willing to just accept apparently, but not everyone wants to play the same as you.
The major flaw is Male MC has had no agency as of now. Everything is tied to Sarah. We are a voyeur watching Sarah dance, we are a Voyeur watching Jessica and Erik have sex, we are a voyeur watching Sarah talk to guy at gym(interrupt and get relationship hit.) And now in latest update we are a voyeur to the photoshoot in different ways, not even being in same room, cause usually that would give more control.
As of right now, this feels like a FMC only and the MMC, is just a add on that gets a couple choices here or there, but is mainly tied to Sarah and almost like MMC doesn't matter.
I really hope to see this change very soon, start giving MMC some of his own events, start giving him more agency, more control, more power, cause right now the game is railroading us into the voyeur/cuck status.
Yes the game is still early on, but to still be this many updates in and show not really any sign of this, is something that needs to change immediately, otherwise what's the point of routes.
I think being critical is key to helping media as a whole and why even have a forum if we can't express this and our opinions. DealBreaker has pointed out a major flaw, which everyone is willing to just accept apparently, but not everyone wants to play the same as you.
The major flaw is Male MC has had no agency as of now. Everything is tied to Sarah. We are a voyeur watching Sarah dance, we are a Voyeur watching Jessica and Erik have sex, we are a voyeur watching Sarah talk to guy at gym(interrupt and get relationship hit.) And now in latest update we are a voyeur to the photoshoot in different ways, not even being in same room, cause usually that would give more control.
As of right now, this feels like a FMC only and the MMC, is just a add on that gets a couple choices here or there, but is mainly tied to Sarah and almost like MMC doesn't matter.
I really hope to see this change very soon, start giving MMC some of his own events, start giving him more agency, more control, more power, cause right now the game is railroading us into the voyeur/cuck status.
Yes the game is still early on, but to still be this many updates in and show not really any sign of this, is something that needs to change immediately, otherwise what's the point of routes.
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I'm going to disagree about the MC having no agency:I love the comments "Just enjoy the game." "You are thinking too much."
I think being critical is key to helping media as a whole and why even have a forum if we can't express this and our opinions. DealBreaker has pointed out a major flaw, which everyone is willing to just accept apparently, but not everyone wants to play the same as you.
The major flaw is Male MC has had no agency as of now. Everything is tied to Sarah. We are a voyeur watching Sarah dance, we are a Voyeur watching Jessica and Erik have sex, we are a voyeur watching Sarah talk to guy at gym(interrupt and get relationship hit.) And now in latest update we are a voyeur to the photoshoot in different ways, not even being in same room, cause usually that would give more control.
As of right now, this feels like a FMC only and the MMC, is just a add on that gets a couple choices here or there, but is mainly tied to Sarah and almost like MMC doesn't matter.
I really hope to see this change very soon, start giving MMC some of his own events, start giving him more agency, more control, more power, cause right now the game is railroading us into the voyeur/cuck status.
Yes the game is still early on, but to still be this many updates in and show not really any sign of this, is something that needs to change immediately, otherwise what's the point of routes.
* When MC sees Eric getting too comfortable with his wife, he can either watch and see what happens Or he can go over, effectively prompting Eric to take his arm from around Sarah.
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* When Neil is dancing with Sarah and MC sees Neil getting handsy, MC has a choice - watch or intervene:
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The photoshoot is something being paid for by work, so the photographer is very much within his rights to tell Alex where he can watch from without disturbing the photoshoot.
As far as the relationship points taking a hit for some of these choices - this is the mechanic the dev uses to determine how these new activities are impacting Sarah and Alex (you might not agree with how the dev does this but there needs to be some mechanic to define the impact of new stresses on the relationship).
Alex has plenty of agency, but not always without cost, which is a lot closer to RL than many AVNs trying to tell the same kinds of stories.
On the trust/faithful path where Sarah and Alex are both actively invested in maintaining their relationship, there are also choices both can make to add relationship points, keeping it at or near 50.
The path(s) each of us choose for Alex and Sarah determine the trajectory of their relationship and the increasing impact others are allowed to have on their relationship.
We decide how to exercise agency for both Sarah and Alex.
Cheers!!