Ren'Py Whispers of Desire [v0.30] [Mr_Fable]

[redoubt27]

She already does though regardless of player choice. They are both shown to lean towards the direction she wants them to, constantly thinking about her suggestions and acting accordingly. And they both do that, because they think that's what the other spouse likes, even though it's all planted by her. She is practically manipulating their love for each other to push them where she wants. It just hasn't progressed too much yet.

Which is why the game refuses to let them talk to each other about their sessions. Because if they do, her ruse that is working atm, will crumble, since they will realize she has been gaslighting them about each other's supposed desires.

A skilled manipulator can definitely make people do things. They just need to gaslight them enough, to make them think it's what they want/need.

Eva can only make them think, which is what I said.
The reader, so far, has control over what Alex & Sarah do, their actions.
Fable also gives the reader choices about how/what Alex & Sarah think about what Eva is telling them...

Eva's 'ruse' only works if the reader allows it to.

Yes, if Alex & Sarah talk about Eva's sessions now, it breaks some of the tension being created.
Story wise, it still leaves Alex & Sarah in the same place, them trying to figure out how/what they feel about things. Fable could absolutely have them talk about it, and then... why don't we keep talking to Eva about these things, help each of us sort out the feelings. I understand a preference toward that route, but what Fable is doing isn't wrong, bad, or unrealistic. Alex & Sarah are a loving couple, they ain't perfect. They're going to get stronger, or weaker and break, it's up to the reader.

A skilled manipulator can only do so much against a strong will/personality.
Manipulators aren't gods...
Fable gives the choices to the reader to have Alex & Sarah give in or not.
If Eva is manipulating the reader, well, that's on the reader...

 

[MagicMan753]

Some solid progression, I do hope for a little more pushback from Eva at some point against Neil, join our side instead. Emma still cute, love the planned lunch date with her.

I liked the gym, staring at Jessica, then deciding how Sarah will react, I like stuff like that, cause it gives full control of both characters.

I think one suggestion, the right side menus, I think combining some like the day/time with stats and mission bar and making it where we can hide in some way along with mini menu at bottom. I just think allowing us to see more of the image could look better. Hopefully I explained well.

But yeah, hopefully we start seeing a bit more action soon.

 

[Eleanorduval]

Yep it is what we call a WAG .. wild ass guess !! LOL

i think the usb key is something to push her in the sharing direction.Too much coincidence espcially same time when sarah will do the photoshoot..dr eva planting the seed in alex mind that sarah,maybe she know about jessica life and maybe sarah would like to do the same.

It see the key as corruption material.

 

[Eleanorduval]

Some solid progression, I do hope for a little more pushback from Eva at some point against Neil, join our side instead. Emma still cute, love the planned lunch date with her.

I liked the gym, staring at Jessica, then deciding how Sarah will react, I like stuff like that, cause it gives full control of both characters.

I think one suggestion, the right side menus, I think combining some like the day/time with stats and mission bar and making it where we can hide in some way along eith mini menu at botto. I just think allowing us to see more of the image could look better. Hopefully I explained well.

But yeah, hopefully we start seeing a bit more action soon.

I dunno if she will join and help sarah and alex,untill know she act like she did nothing wrong.It is the opposite she think she are doing them service.

 

[StrawberryCheese83]

i think the usb key is something to push her in the sharing direction.Too much coincidence espcially same time when sarah will do the photoshoot..dr eva planting the seed in alex mind that sarah,maybe she know about jessica life and maybe sarah would like to do the same.

It see the key as corruption material.

If the Dev allows it..... i will know how to prevent that

 

[Eleanorduval]

If the Dev allows it..... i will know how to prevent that

Maybe i m wrong,so u don t have anything to do lol

 

[Mr Fable]

If the Dev allows it..... i will know how to prevent that

Prevent what and how ?

 

[Eleanorduval]

Prevent what and how ?

we just trying to guess what in the usb lol

 

[AL.d]

...Story wise, it still leaves Alex & Sarah in the same place, them trying to figure out how/what they feel about things. Fable could absolutely have them talk about it, and then... why don't we keep talking to Eva about these things, help each of us sort out the feelings....

Trusting the scumbag who is inventing stuff out of her ass in order to manipulate, to help them sort out their feelings? Yeah...no.

That makes zero sense in any route that isn't nts. But it's still very questionable even for the nts route. Even if the couple gets into it, they did so under manipulation from someone wanting to fuck with their marriage. Not because they opened up to her themselves and she decided to help them navigate it like a proper therapist, but because she planted ideas that the other spouse supposedly wanted, completely unprompted. In order to serve her handler's scheme.

The way this is set up, there is no way to see her as anything other than a villain. Even if you like nts.

 

[StrawberryCheese83]

Prevent what and how ?

If you, as the Dev, allow it (per choice), i will prevent Sarah from being blackmailed or being shared with others...! Thats all....we are just brainstorming what is yet to come...

 

[redoubt27]

Trusting the scumbag who is inventing stuff out of her ass in order to manipulate, to help them sort out their feelings? Yeah...no.

That makes zero sense in any route that isn't nts. But it's still very questionable even for the nts route. Even if the couple gets into it, they did so under manipulation from someone wanting to fuck with their marriage. Not because they opened up to her themselves and she decided to help them navigate it like a proper therapist, but because she planted ideas that the other spouse supposedly wanted, completely unprompted. In order to serve her handler's scheme.

The way this is set up, there is no way to see her as anything other than a villain. Even if you like nts.

I don't disagree that Eva is a scumbag and villain right now.
But she's also a potential ally...

We as the reader know Eva's angle/intent right now.
Alex & Sarah do not.
Even if Alex & Sarah discuss their Eva sessions, they will likely not put together that Eva is trying to do anything more than help them sort through, navigate their emotions about the topics discussed...

 

[blkcrow20]

I don't disagree.
But so far, Fable has given the reader ultimate decision control...
The reader decides how much Alex and Sarah are 'manipulated', even without them talking about their Eva sessions, yet.

And it's been hinted at in other comments...
If the reader chooses to give Alex & Sarah "strong" personality points, they're not going to be easily suggestible...

We're never going to agree, so let's leave it at that. You are ok with the way he handled the situation, I am not.

But I will continue playing the game and being a patron.

 

[Eleanorduval]

We're never going to agree, so let's leave it at that. You are ok with the way he handled the situation, I am not.

But I will continue playing the game and being a patron.

Even we don't play the same path,i agree with your point of view.She isn't a victim as she was unprofessional 2 time,first with jack and now with the couple.She can only blame herself if she are in her actual position.If she want to real help,she would told them neil plan from the begining.
About sex life they don't need Dr eva,thank to jessica try to put ideas in mc minds (irony)

 

[blkcrow20]

Even we don't play the same path,i agree with your point of view.She isn't a victim as she was unprofessional 2 time,first with jack and now with the couple.She can only blame herself if she are in her actual position.If she want to real help,she would told them neil plan from the begining.
About sex life they don't need Dr eva,thank to jessica try to put ideas in mc minds (irony)

Yeah, but the point we disagree on is Alex and Sarah keeping secrets from each other. Not Eva specifically.

 

[Eleanorduval]

Yeah, but the point we disagree on is Alex and Sarah keeping secrets from each other. Not Eva specifically.

Untill now the only secret they keep from each other is just the therapy.Maybe i m wrong but from i understand of the guide,route 1 and route 2 they will tell each other everything.U just avoid route 3-4,should be easy with urm mod.

 

[redoubt27]

Yeah, but the point we disagree on is Alex and Sarah keeping secrets from each other. Not Eva specifically.

We don't disagree about Alex & Sarah keeping secrets from one another.
We only disagree about Fable's approach, immediate vs delayed.

You don't like that they didn't immediately discuss, I'm ok with Fable delaying it.
You want to fly, I'm ok with a road trip...

 

[blkcrow20]

You don't like that they didn't immediately discuss, I'm ok with Fable delaying it.

Exactly.

 

[catgameryt011]

only a few more, not a lot.

These characters could also significantly interfere with the story.

 

[Eleanorduval]

These characters could also significantly interfere with the story.

every character brings something in the game,hope for character with different personalities.Not just the typical guy full of himself.

For girls I think Emma is the one to have different personality.Not sure what kind of girl are Abigail.Jessica and Rachel the sluts.

 

[angelm1ke]

REally liked this. For some time I havem't seen something this refreshing here... Very well, keep up the good work dev!...