Ren'Py Whispers of Desire [v0.30] [Mr_Fable]

[fbass]

The club scene hooked it for me. Idk about all this other reasoning I see. It's not that deep; just great writing and characterization/ description of the environments; Creates a more complex and engaging atmosphere with a good antagonist.

I agree. Plus, she could turn things around later and take charge. End up using Neil as a their own tool.

 

[Dealbreaker]

There are obviously a huge percentage of "paid" players who prefer to see the FMC corrupted by whoever is the "evil dude", by cheating on, and belittling the MC. Its a sado-masochistic reflex they may not even be aware of, and will vehemently deny if asked or suggested. Could give a dissertation on the causes of these reactions, but suffice to say, it is not the human norm, though they may believe it is. The fact they have the spare money to support so many devs, is a sign of the struggles they undertook to achieve the cash. Those struggles are reflected in their desire to undermine any relationship they envy. Especially with a hot woman. This way, they can "climb over" their rivals, the MC in this case.
The reflection of views you will see here are more representative of norms, I would say, because it allows a more widespread cross-section of avn lovers.
Just some clues, lol.

Or, maybe, those players have grasped, that it's ot their own real life girlfriend they have to defend here. It's simple. If you go to watch a horror movie you want to see blood and not rescue the actresses in order to feel as a hero once in your life.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Or, maybe, those players have grasped, that it's ot their own real life girlfriend they have to defend here. It's simple. If you go to watch a horror movie you want to see blood and not rescue the actresses in order to feel as a hero once in your life.

Separating fiction from reality is one thing - but your sentiment glosses over the fact it's not only about dissociation for those players; they also want to see the most cruel stories imagined in fiction. People go to horror movies for the shock, the tension, the fear, etc. Only psychos go wanting nothing but to see people getting chopped up.

 

[Dealbreaker]

Separating fiction from reality is one thing - but your sentiment glosses over the fact it's not only about dissociation for those players; they also want to see the most cruel stories imagined in fiction. People go to horror movies for the shock, the tension, the fear, etc. Only psychos go wanting nothing but to see people getting chopped up.

Don't know what you mean. I'm not speaking about the psychos I'm speaking about the averagae viewer who knows the rules of the genre. The average splatter vivewer, you are right, wnats the shock. And the average NTR viewer wants to be the voyeur who watches a girl corrupted. The splatter viewer also has momentarily, as every human being, sympathy for the victim, but in the very same moment, he knows it's not real and it's not about himself. Same here, there is the thought in some moments what if this was my girlfriend, but immediately those viewers switch back to being a mere voyeur. And this switching is enjoyable. You can't take the exemption of the psychos to smear the average viewer. In order to have th shock something has to happen. Same here you want to see sex not the chastity of a loyal girlfriend.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Don't know what you mean. I'm not speaking about the psychos I'm speaking about the averagae viewer who knows the rules of the genre. The average splatter vivewer, you are right, wnats the shock. And the average NTR viewer wants to be the voyeur who watches a girl corrupted. The splatter viewer also has momentarily, as every human being, sympathy for the victim, but in the very same moment, he knows it's not real and it's not about himself. Same here, there is the thought in some moments what if this was my girlfriend, but immediately those viewers switch back to being a mere voyeur. And this switching is enjoyable. You can't take the exemption of the psychos to semear the average viewer.

The fervor with which ntr fans speak about their interest makes me doubt this analogy. I'm sure they'd welcome it, as it paints them in a more sympathetic light.

Look I'm all for porn, I'm not anti group sex or wild fuckfests as I hope this game will turn in to - I'm anti those who specifically need to see a story involving cruelty to get their pp hard.

 

[Dealbreaker]

involving cruelty

What do you mean by "cruelty" in the context of "normal" NTR? Do you mean that a couple splits up, that a guy gets being cheated on?

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

What do you mean by "cruelty" in the context of "normal" NTR? Do you mean that a couple splits up, that a guy gets being cheated on?

I mean fans of the genre regularly root for misfortune to befall the protagonist. In the context of this game - that would look like people cheering for neil having his way with sarah and making alex into a sucker.

 

[Dealbreaker]

I mean fans of the genre regularly root for misfortune to befall the protagonist. In the context of this game - that would look like people cheering for neil having his way with sarah and making alex into a sucker.

Ok, but according to that standard, you would have to avoid the genre itself. I get the feeling that you psychologically want to differntiate between viewers who WANT exactly that and viewers who ACCEPT that willingly because otherwise the genre doesn't function. To take another analogy: in order to have a detective story and a mystery, you have to have victims of a crime. You don't watch because of the misfortune of those victims but in order to follow the detective. Same here: I'm not watching because of the misfortune of the boyfriends and husbands but because of the girl, who, in order to be corrupted, has to hurt the boyfriend. But of course there are grey zones. If you want to watch the power of female sexuality, you have to watch it's potential to hurt males. Both belong together, you can't seperate that and tame it, because then it becomes harmless, the Disney version I see in those AI games (Netorase phone etc.). It is powerful and can be hurtful for those engaged in it. It can have those effects, you can't blend them out. And sexy women are human beings with flaws and bad intentions sometimes.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Ok, but according to that standard, you would have to avoid the genre itself. I get the feeling that you psychologically want to differntiate between viewers who WANT exactly that and viewers who ACCEPT that willingly because otherwise the genre doesn't function.

You're 100% correct - this is what I'm differentiating. And I think it's a crucial distinction. You say the latter part as if those viewers merely want to watch 'the power of female sexuality', and the other stuff is collateral damage. Bluntly, that's bullshit. Solely by invoking the descriptor of 'disney version' or using harmless as a pejorative makes it clear where the fandom lies.

I'm not saying you can't have your tastes and I can't have mine - but just be straight up about it. It's not about 'sexy women ocassionally having flaws' it's those flaws SPECIFICALLY that the ntr fandom crave. Ironically, this relies on a pre-existing charicature of the 'docile pure female' to cross over into 'flawed' territory.

This is all too academic anyway. I blame tuna guy for starting it long story short i hate ntr and its story beats, but due to political grouping i need to be immersed in it here all day long.

 

[Filipis]

You're 100% correct - this is what I'm differentiating. And I think it's a crucial distinction. You say the latter part as if those viewers merely want to watch 'the power of female sexuality', and the other stuff is collateral damage. Bluntly, that's bullshit. Solely by invoking the descriptor of 'disney version' or using harmless as a pejorative makes it clear where the fandom lies.

I'm not saying you can't have your tastes and I can't have mine - but just be straight up about it. It's not about 'sexy women ocassionally having flaws' it's those flaws SPECIFICALLY that the ntr fandom crave. Ironically, this relies on a pre-existing charicature of the 'docile pure female' to cross over into 'flawed' territory.

This is all too academic anyway. I blame tuna guy for starting it long story short i hate ntr and its fandom, but due to political grouping i need to be immersed in it here all day long.

You hate me?

 

[Dealbreaker]

You're 100% correct - this is what I'm differentiating.

Ok, don'T want to prolongue the argument either but here you are wrong I think: You don't even want to ACCEPT it! That's the opposite extreme. And "Disney" is not pejorative here but very precise: it describes a cultural product which deliberately blends out things from reality which could allegedly do harm or hurt feelings and go against societal norms.
BtW: what do you mean by "political grouping"? Just curious.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

You hate me?
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you're right that wasnt accurate- i changed from players to stories.

 

[Justaphase]

This in fact happens in so many games that have alternate paths. A list of hundreds could be made from just this site.

There are obviously a huge percentage of "paid" players who prefer to see the FMC corrupted by whoever is the "evil dude", by cheating on, and belittling the MC. Its a sado-masochistic reflex they may not even be aware of, and will vehemently deny if asked or suggested. Could give a dissertation on the causes of these reactions, but suffice to say, it is not the human norm, though they may believe it is. The fact they have the spare money to support so many devs, is a sign of the struggles they undertook to achieve the cash. Those struggles are reflected in their desire to undermine any relationship they envy. Especially with a hot woman. This way, they can "climb over" their rivals, the MC in this case.
The reflection of views you will see here are more representative of norms, I would say, because it allows a more widespread cross-section of avn lovers.
Just some clues, lol.

This is one of the reasons why I prefer to go an NTS/sharing route than an NTR/cheating one. If Neil is the NTR choice then I will choose every option that keeps the FMC as far away from him as possible. I hope that the dev at least gives us that option.

 

[CursedByAll]

This is all too academic anyway. I blame tuna guy for starting it

Blame away, lol.
You are right that it is academic.

My answer was to a very specific statement of wonder by the dev. Giving reason for the difference between polls (on paid subs and other sites) and comments from members here.

It wasn't a "let's fire up the NTR brigade" troll. (anyway as I pointed out, those afflicted by what I said, would vehemently deny it, so, yeah, go ahead if you must..)

The whole NTR/NTS/NTI argument has been thrashed out forever and a day....let's just not do that ok? It is ultimately pointless, because your view is as concrete as mine, etc, etc, etc...

It was just an observation of mine, no more, no less, end of story. Move on please.

Perhaps I should just point out, in closing, that this whole discussion is moot anyway, because dev has already stated that there will be many options and scenarios available on various paths. So, you can play the game your way, and others will choose another way. It's all good.

 

[Eleanorduval]

Blame away, lol.
You are right that it is academic.

My answer was to a very specific statement of wonder by the dev. Giving reason for the difference between polls (on paid subs and other sites) and comments from members here.

It wasn't a "let's fire up the NTR brigade" troll. (anyway as I pointed out, those afflicted by what I said, would vehemently deny it, so, yeah, go ahead if you must..)

The whole NTR/NTS/NTI argument has been thrashed out forever and a day....let's just not do that ok? It is ultimately pointless, because your view is as concrete as mine, etc, etc, etc...

It was just an observation of mine, no more, no less, end of story. Move on please.

Perhaps I should just point out, in closing, that this whole discussion is moot anyway, because dev has already stated that there will be many options and scenarios available on various paths. So, you can play the game your way, and others will choose another way. It's all good.

nah too late u are guilty

 

[blkcrow20]

I mean fans of the genre regularly root for misfortune to befall the protagonist. In the context of this game - that would look like people cheering for neil having his way with sarah and making alex into a sucker.

Exactly. Different people are here for different reasons. That's why he has the different routes. Neil is perfect for the NTR/cheating routes but not for the sharing/swinging routes.

 

[Dealbreaker]

Exactly. Different people are here for different reasons. That's why he has the different routes. Neil is perfect for the NTR/cheating routes but not for the sharing/swinging routes.

I guess Neil doesn't give a fuck.

 

[blkcrow20]

I wouldn't expect him to, he's a creepy asshole.

 

[Mr Fable]

Exactly. Different people are here for different reasons. That's why he has the different routes. Neil is perfect for the NTR/cheating routes but not for the sharing/swinging routes.

I dont know i might add him to the sharing route too. But again avoidable in all routes.

 

[Joshy92]

As long as the routes don't get mixed up, that's what's important.