I wouldnt say sending the photos will definitely put sarah in neils hands but if you continue with responding positively to Neil things can escalate.
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blkcrow20
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I would put he will never see sarah in sexy lingerie or nakedYes, I should have stated it differently.
well at least in my saves
xert13
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Not sure about “vast majority” more like vocal minority. I want to see Neil manipulate his way into her privates and Want her to be conflicted about it. Manipulation or blackmail is not forced. The person does have a choice…to not be manipulated or refuse to be blackmailed. Regardless, whatever the Dev’s vision/plans are it’s cool.
Sounds a bit self-serving here, really.
A skilful manipulator or blackmailer will present their case or plan in such a way as to leave no room for denial or refusal. They will make sure they have a rock-solid case before exerting the pressure, at the most opportune moment of weakness.
Only an amateur would "leave the gate open".
You don't just walk up to someone and say "Hey, would you like me to manipulate you? If you refuse, I'll tell your husband you did."
Her: "Oh, yes please, can you make me cum more than him? Oh!! My panties are wet. Can we do it now? Right here? Oh, fuck, I am so confused about which way to take your massive cock..."
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Valkyrie_1999999999999999
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Well it all depends on what path you are playing for example i am only interested in the cheating path where Sarah turns into a horny cheating slut and does all sorts of naughty things behind Alex's back lol so in my game Neil will be the first person she has cheating sex with lol..you are going for a totally different route and thats fine and regarding Neil he is only unpopular here on f95 where as if you go and see the game's patreon account he is the most popular side character and almost always wins all the polls he is in lol..so my point is to each his own mate we all have all our different likes and dislikes and hence we are all following different paths in the game and since no path or character is forced upon us everything is good..Sounds a bit self-serving here, really.
A skilful manipulator or blackmailer will present their case or plan in such a way as to leave no room for denial or refusal. They will make sure they have a rock-solid case before exerting the pressure, at the most opportune moment of weakness.
Only an amateur would "leave the gate open".
You don't just walk up to someone and say "Hey, would you like me to manipulate you? If you refuse, I'll tell your husband you did."
Her: "Oh, yes please, can you make me cum more than him? Oh!! My panties are wet. Can we do it now? Right here? Oh, fuck, I am so confused about which way to take your massive cock..."
Sure, but you missed my point.Well it all depends on what path you are playing for example i am only interested in the cheating path where Sarah turns into a horny cheating slut and does all sorts of naughty things behind Alex's back lol so in my game Neil will be the first person she has cheating sex with lol..you are going for a totally different route and thats fine and regarding Neil he is only unpopular here on f95 where as if you go and see the game's patreon account he is the most popular side character and almost always wins all the polls he is in lol..so my point is to each his own mate we all have all our different likes and dislikes and hence we are all following different paths in the game and since no path or character is forced upon us everything is good..
I was talking about the "Anyone can choose to refuse blackmail or manipulation" bit they guy was saying.
And as for your point about popularity.....It's funny when you think about those numbers beyond "first past the post". So, a poll on patreon gets 15 dudes more than others on one point out of four, in a total response of say 100 votes. Still, more often than not, leaves a majority that didn't say yes to that one point, and found other things more "palatable". Going further, a game doesn't just have that 100 players, if its any good, probably more like a couple thousand. (In this case think of the proportion of free v paid subs, that might give an indication for you about real world numbers) And if it gets to steam, that could end up at 20 or 30 thousand or more. Still think those 15 votes should count so much? (Especially when you remember a top-tier sub gets 3x or 5x votes)
That's why a dev should not just listen to polls, but actually see what players think, out in the real world, past his/their paid subs, because ultimately, that will be the cause of its real popularity and success.
Thankfully, this dev does. Mostly.
So, being vocal counts.....
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Lol…no more “self serving” then claiming a vast majority think X or Y. Also, yes, people always have a choice in these situations. It may be a terrible choice, but a choice nonetheless. In this VN, the player is given the choice. I cannot speak to how a master manipulator operates in real life. I am guessing given your conviction of how it operates that you are such a manipulator? Regardless, people always have a choice. I am reminded of Wellington’s reply in his later years when he faced blackmail. It was supposed anecdotes from his mistress that would have proven scandalous to him and his political career in the early 19th century. Upon receiving the blackmail demand he famously replied, ”Publish and be damned!” He made his choice.Sounds a bit self-serving here, really.
A skilful manipulator or blackmailer will present their case or plan in such a way as to leave no room for denial or refusal. They will make sure they have a rock-solid case before exerting the pressure, at the most opportune moment of weakness.
Only an amateur would "leave the gate open".
You don't just walk up to someone and say "Hey, would you like me to manipulate you? If you refuse, I'll tell your husband you did."
Her: "Oh, yes please, can you make me cum more than him? Oh!! My panties are wet. Can we do it now? Right here? Oh, fuck, I am so confused about which way to take your massive cock..."
Valkyrie_1999999999999999
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I understood your point and i wasnt trying to argue in favor of the game's patreons i was just saying what most patreons think of Neil and as long as he and his path arent forced in the game then everone's happy lol the one's who wanna see Sarah do naughty things with him and the ones who dont wanna see him and Sarah together at all..
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That's why I made my wording "the vast majority of comments I've read". I've got nothing against the people who like Neil lmao. I just find it neat that quite a few other people dislike him. It's purely personal preference on my part. Hell, I also fully intend to play the game where Sarah just cheats on Alex with the whole city... except without Neil. The dude is just insufferable in my book and that's a huge turn-off. You do you tho. In the end we all like the game.
Avoiding Neil is possible how ever it saddens me on the thought that you all are going to miss the hot scenes I am planning between him and Sarah .
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Great — I love Neil.Avoiding Neil is possible how ever it saddens me on the thought that you all are going to miss the hot scenes I am planning between him and Sarah
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Does that mean I'm in the minority? He's in my playthrough, and I definitely want to see your planned scenes.
Avoiding Neil is possible how ever it saddens me on the thought that you all are going to miss the hot scenes I am planning between him and Sarah
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There will always be haters, Fable, but Neil is instrumental to the story even starting - he is the one who sent Sarah & Alex to Dr. Eva in the first place.Avoiding Neil is possible how ever it saddens me on the thought that you all are going to miss the hot scenes I am planning between him and Sarah
And sure, he is slimy, but at least he is not yet another Ugly Old Bastard boss-character unlike almost every other FMC corruption game - Neil actually looks like someone who could steal your wife.
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Maybe Neil can make me a daddyAvoiding Neil is possible how ever it saddens me on the thought that you all are going to miss the hot scenes I am planning between him and Sarah
Erik is still first in that race, though.
Try as I might to go down a more ntr route it seems I'm always on the nts one. Not sure how I can answer any differently ?
Well, it's simple Mr Fable
If Neil = cheating, then no Neil. (For Route 1 & 2 anyway)
However, if Neil comes up with some redeeming qualities (as in not being such a slime-ball), and can "get with the friends-only thing", not actually manipulating his way.....then maybe. BIG, really iffy, maybe....
But, currently Neil is just a jerk. Are you planning on "re-making" Neil somehow along the way?
Why would anyone that loves Sarah, or even a loyal Sarah, subject herself to that? Makes no sense.
And on Route 3 & 4, you will still have your "hero", so all good, what's your worry?
It's our choice and we are glad we have it. Thanks for that at least.
Are you really just saying we are going to suffer less content because of that, and that there won't be a proper balance between routes? And it is mostly just "The Neil Show"?
If Neil = cheating, then no Neil. (For Route 1 & 2 anyway)
However, if Neil comes up with some redeeming qualities (as in not being such a slime-ball), and can "get with the friends-only thing", not actually manipulating his way.....then maybe. BIG, really iffy, maybe....
But, currently Neil is just a jerk. Are you planning on "re-making" Neil somehow along the way?
Why would anyone that loves Sarah, or even a loyal Sarah, subject herself to that? Makes no sense.
And on Route 3 & 4, you will still have your "hero", so all good, what's your worry?
It's our choice and we are glad we have it. Thanks for that at least.
Are you really just saying we are going to suffer less content because of that, and that there won't be a proper balance between routes? And it is mostly just "The Neil Show"?
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You have to consider that people want different things from the games they play. Some people would absolutely want the Sarah they love to be "subjected to" the Neil you describe. It's a classic case of "each to their own" - it just happens that this example is far removed from your preference, and perhaps as a result of that, you're struggling to see how anyone else would want it.
For reference, I'm not one of the people who like Neil, so I'll just be using the choices to avoid him getting close to Sarah. I'll still see the scenes in the gallery, or possibly in another save if I decide to go there. Even without that though, there will be plenty of other content to keep me happy.
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What I hope this will not become the 'Neil need to be there in every update' even in some obviously just the couple sharing time with each other event.
Great Tony. I know you are "closer" to the game than I am, but as you said, we ALL have preferences. Something everyone here is actually aware of, as the mostly positive comments show. For the record, I have no "struggle" about who wants Neil. I already said I would actually play all the routes when the game finishes.
Glad you're happy mate, but being "able to play the gallery" is not the question here. I wasn't the one who raised the subject of missing content, Fable was.
Can you let the actual dev answer too? He was the one I tagged, thanks anyway for your statement of reassurance. Coming from someone "inside" it has some weight, I give you that, but there was a reason I tagged Fable. And I would like him to answer it here, for others to read too, otherwise I would have DM'ed him or got on discord. Must I really explain that? If he chooses to answer.
No offense meant, don't take it that way, please. Your comments are welcome, as are your "teaser" jokes. Keep it up.
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