Filipis

Engaged Member
Nov 15, 2022
2,459
4,431
386
Where's the path where he ridicules the bbc fetish aspect but still is okay with swinging and sharing?

IMO this is the problem with making this a path-pivot scene. It's too narrow from the start. Both the racial angle and the cuckish-feeling from John joining only later. Much better to have a broad level conversation between Alex and Sarah - like say they watch some movie about a couple going to a swingers club, and both of them can either react positively or negatively, leading to the path splits you listed above.
Alex and Sarah can talk about John & Jessica & Eric without bringing race into it. I understand your fears well enough, but implying it can only lead to one thing is also kinda narrow-minded. They are supposed to talk about the concept of swinging/sharing itself, not the race of the people involved. At least, that would be the logical way to go about it, but Fable does have the chance to fumble it your way still.
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

Devoted Member
Sep 7, 2022
8,918
14,085
812
Alex and Sarah can talk about John & Jessica & Eric without bringing race into it. I understand your fears well enough, but implying it can only lead to one thing is also kinda narrow-minded. They are supposed to talk about the concept of swinging/sharing itself, not the race of the people involved. At least, that would be the logical way to go about it, but Fable does have the chance to fumble it your way still.
Respectfully, disagree. The way this early scene is shot is inherently narrow, and plays to a very specific fetish.

While I wouldn't try and debate you on the nuance of proper ntr concepts and setups, I'd ask you do the same for swinging and sharing for me. A couple's conversation stemming from that scene woudl start the whole talk on an acidic note, and not only because erik is a black charicature. It's mainly the creative decisions in how it's shot; him and Jessica starting without husband, the obvious dick size element, etc.

But it's not just me that thinks this - very clearly as fable introduced rachel and james as characters he understands the need for a more neutral swinger/sharing option without the heavy handed cuck overtones. So I'd say a conversation after these gym meetups would be much more open ended.

For example, they talk to each other how they felt about Rachel and James flirting with each of them, then maybe at that juncture when Alex suggests she takes swim lessons from Erik instead it routes them over to a bbc cuck path.
 

TonyMurray

Conversation Conqueror
Apr 8, 2024
6,502
12,275
774
It will be interesting to see when Alex and Sarah get to have this conversation. IMO, the decision of one partner to open up the marriage (especially if it is hidden) while the other partner wants the marriage to be monogamous will be a major betrayal.
There is some conversation leading towards that in the 0.35 update. It's not specifically swinging, but more the sharing/hotwifing sort of line, I'd say, but they do (depending on your choices) start more openly discussing their feelings on the matter.
 
Last edited:

Eleanorduval

Forum Fanatic
Feb 12, 2025
5,285
3,423
332
There is some conversation leading towards that in the 0.35 update. It's not specifically swinging, but more the sharing/hotwifing sort of line, I'd say, but they do (depending on your choices) start more openly discussing their feelings on the matter.
tonyyy don’t spoil remember lol
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

Devoted Member
Sep 7, 2022
8,918
14,085
812
There is some conversation leading towards that in the 0.35 update. It's not specifically swinging, but more the sharing/hotwifing sort of line, I'd say, but they do (depending on your choices) start more openly discussing their feelings on the matter.
sadface because i want this to occur in a swinger context like "hey that was cool, did you enjoy him flirting with you? I enjoyed her flirting with me, we should do that again soon!"
 

CursedByAll

Active Member
Jan 11, 2024
588
900
179
There is some conversation leading towards that in the 0.35 update. It's not specifically swinging, but more the sharing/hotwifing sort of line, I'd say, but they do (depending on your choices) start more openly discussing their feelings on the matter.
tonyyy don’t spoil remember lol
sadface because i want this to occur in a swinger context like "hey that was cool, did you enjoy him flirting with you? I enjoyed her flirting with me, we should do that again soon!"
Nothing to say it won't happen like that at some point.
At the risk of stating the obvious...Tony...
Your spolier pics that tease us with some non-actual-game situation are great. Funny even.
But, in your position as proof-reader, I would hope and beseech you not to give these sort of spoilers please.
They are your take on what you have read, and may lead others to draw erroneous conclusions based on their own choices, thus creating a bit of angst.
Anyway, just my two cents. Harmless enough at this point, but I do hope its not a trend you will continue mate. Please.
 

TonyMurray

Conversation Conqueror
Apr 8, 2024
6,502
12,275
774
At the risk of stating the obvious...Tony...
Your spolier pics that tease us with some non-actual-game situation are great. Funny even.
But, in your position as proof-reader, I would hope and beseech you not to give these sort of spoilers please.
They are your take on what you have read, and may lead others to draw erroneous conclusions based on their own choices, thus creating a bit of angst.
Anyway, just my two cents. Harmless enough at this point, but I do hope its not a trend you will continue mate. Please.
The first bit you quoted aside, I don't consider it spoilerish. The last bit is just the same as anyone can say - it's something that might (or might not) happen, I know as much as anyone else in the thread on that point. For the first bit, I don't think it gives too much away, but it does specifically (though I think vaguely) mention something that happens, so although I don't think it's much of a spoiler (because it's in line with what we've already seen) I appreciate that some wouldn't want to see it. I'll cover it in a spoiler in my original post, and will try to avoid anything similar in future posts.
 

Filipis

Engaged Member
Nov 15, 2022
2,459
4,431
386
Respectfully, disagree. The way this early scene is shot is inherently narrow, and plays to a very specific fetish.

While I wouldn't try and debate you on the nuance of proper ntr concepts and setups, I'd ask you do the same for swinging and sharing for me. A couple's conversation stemming from that scene woudl start the whole talk on an acidic note, and not only because erik is a black charicature. It's mainly the creative decisions in how it's shot; him and Jessica starting without husband, the obvious dick size element, etc.

But it's not just me that thinks this - very clearly as fable introduced rachel and james as characters he understands the need for a more neutral swinger/sharing option without the heavy handed cuck overtones. So I'd say a conversation after these gym meetups would be much more open ended.

For example, they talk to each other how they felt about Rachel and James flirting with each of them, then maybe at that juncture when Alex suggests she takes swim lessons from Erik instead it routes them over to a bbc cuck path.
That depends if Alex specifically points out how John “joined late” and wondered why Eric in particular - none which needs to be mentioned for the discussion at hand.

“Hey, Sarah, I witnessed Rachel fucking Eric while John was watching. What do you think?”

While there are some cucky undertones there, any swinging-oriented man would immediately make it clear he wants to be in on the fun, not just a passive observer.

It was up to Fable himself to draw a line and introduce a purely swinging couple to better serve different variations of the sharing kink.
 

CursedByAll

Active Member
Jan 11, 2024
588
900
179
It was up to Fable himself to draw a line and introduce a purely swinging couple to better serve different variations of the sharing kink.
For my take, that is the express reason that Fable has introduced so many characters into the game, and I believe will have more soon. To provide options for the four different and varied routes, not just one set that "do all".
Which I like....because there are definitely a few of the main ones that I will avoid like the plague :ROFLMAO:
 

Filipis

Engaged Member
Nov 15, 2022
2,459
4,431
386
For my take, that is the express reason that Fable has introduced so many characters into the game, and I believe will have more soon. To provide options for the four different and varied routes, not just one set that "do all".
Which I like....because there are definitely a few of the main ones that I will avoid like the plague :ROFLMAO:
Most likely yes, but having so many characters strictly designated to a specific “purpose” is a ton of work (rendering-wise), so it’s not the path I would’ve taken.

After a certain point, you’ll be waiting half a year for an update that may or may not feature your desired characters in the desires situation.

Even if the quality remains, it will be a pain to wait that long.
 

CursedByAll

Active Member
Jan 11, 2024
588
900
179
Most likely yes, but having so many characters strictly designated to a specific “purpose” is a ton of work (rendering-wise), so it’s not the path I would’ve taken.

After a certain point, you’ll be waiting half a year for an update that may or may not feature your desired characters in the desires situation.

Even if the quality remains, it will be a pain to wait that long.
Yeah, well, I am very patient, mate.
Besides this game (which I have already stated I am willing to wait until complete, so 2 years), I have several that I wait for six or more updates to play again.
So, no concern here, lol. No pain, no gain....

And, it IS the quality that makes it worth it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Filipis

TonyMurray

Conversation Conqueror
Apr 8, 2024
6,502
12,275
774
It was up to Fable himself to draw a line and introduce a purely swinging couple to better serve different variations of the sharing kink.
My assumption has always been that James and Rachel will fill that role. I might have read it wrong, or maybe just conditioned myself to expect it here, but the conversation those two had after they first met Alex and Sarah gave me the impression that they were swingers (or adjacent).
 
  • Like
Reactions: PaxHadrian17

Filipis

Engaged Member
Nov 15, 2022
2,459
4,431
386
My assumption has always been that James and Rachel will fill that role. I might have read it wrong, or maybe just conditioned myself to expect it here, but the conversation those two had after they first met Alex and Sarah gave me the impression that they were swingers (or adjacent).
Yes, that’s precisely what I was saying. Fable introduced James & Rachel as (most likely) purely a swinging couple, opposed to (most likely) reserving John & Jessica for Cuckolding/Hotwife scenarios.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TonyMurray

PaxHadrian17

Engaged Member
Sep 8, 2020
2,740
13,931
678
The first bit you quoted aside, I don't consider it spoilerish. The last bit is just the same as anyone can say - it's something that might (or might not) happen, I know as much as anyone else in the thread on that point. For the first bit, I don't think it gives too much away, but it does specifically (though I think vaguely) mention something that happens, so although I don't think it's much of a spoiler (because it's in line with what we've already seen) I appreciate that some wouldn't want to see it. I'll cover it in a spoiler in my original post, and will try to avoid anything similar in future posts.
I think you are doing fine with the use of inline spoilers and the spoiler tag.

Any time there is a new release of an AVN I like, I stay away from that F95 thread for a day or two (long enough to enjoy the content myself) as there are almost always some who give away spoilers without the tag/inline spoiler use.

I figure that we are all adults and if we want to check what is inside spoilers/open potential Xmas gifts early - that is on us.

Thanks for your help with proofreading this AVN. IMO, the dialogue is very clean with barely a miss (from a native English language user perspective). The team doing the proofreading here is doing very well!

Cheers!! :coffee:
 

MagicMan753

Well-Known Member
Nov 19, 2021
1,429
3,144
387
Yes, that’s precisely what I was saying. Fable introduced James & Rachel as (most likely) purely a swinging couple, opposed to (most likely) reserving John & Jessica for Cuckolding/Hotwife scenarios.
I feel like yeah, James and Rachel will be swinging, but I doubt the dev is reserving John and Jessica only for cuck/hotwife. I doubt the dev is going to put so many characters in boxes that only fit something specific, cause then that would become stale.

Like this character is only swinging, this one only for cheating, I imagine a lot of the characters fit into multiple boxes or scenarios. Plus I doubt our character won't get any fun with Jessica, probably even some threesomes with Sarah.
 

Filipis

Engaged Member
Nov 15, 2022
2,459
4,431
386
I feel like yeah, James and Rachel will be swinging, but I doubt the dev is reserving John and Jessica only for cuck/hotwife. I doubt the dev is going to put so many characters in boxes that only fit something specific, cause then that would become stale.

Like this character is only swinging, this one only for cheating, I imagine a lot of the characters fit into multiple boxes or scenarios. Plus I doubt our character won't get any fun with Jessica, probably even some threesomes with Sarah.
I frankly don’t see the point in adding so many of them otherwise.

What’s the point of those two beach guys? If they are not just for Sarah’s cheating arc, why add them over letting her cheat with James (and/or Rachel)? Why burden yourself with a wide roster of characters when few would do the job?
 

TonyMurray

Conversation Conqueror
Apr 8, 2024
6,502
12,275
774
I feel like yeah, James and Rachel will be swinging, but I doubt the dev is reserving John and Jessica only for cuck/hotwife. I doubt the dev is going to put so many characters in boxes that only fit something specific, cause then that would become stale.

Like this character is only swinging, this one only for cheating, I imagine a lot of the characters fit into multiple boxes or scenarios. Plus I doubt our character won't get any fun with Jessica, probably even some threesomes with Sarah.
I guess (for the moment) we've seen a bit of Jessica, and it's clear that she's happy to openly flirt with guys (and potentially go beyond that?). But we don't really know anything about John yet, having only seen him that once. All we know of him in terms of his preferences is that he's happy to share his wife. It could be that they are a fully swinging couple, or it might be that Jessica is a more typical hotwife and they don't stray outside of that dynamic - in which case inviting Alex in to fuck Jessica (possibly with John joining in) is the only path forward.

If I remember the scene correctly, we don't really see anything beyond John coming out while Eric is fucking Jessica, and John playfully tells them off for starting without him. That could mean "without him watching" or it could mean "without him joining in", so even with what little we saw, we don't really know the extent of their extra-marital activities and experience (in the gym with Alex, all Jessica really says is that she and John sometimes like to be a little adventurous, and that Alex and Sarah might like to try different things too).

During introductions at the barbecue though, they do say that Eric's wife usually comes as well but she couldn't make it that time, so perhaps that is meant to suggest that it's swinging, and that John would usually partner up with Eric's wife while Eric is with Jessica?
 

TonyMurray

Conversation Conqueror
Apr 8, 2024
6,502
12,275
774
I frankly don’t see the point in adding so many of them otherwise.

What’s the point of those two beach guys? If they are not just for Sarah’s cheating arc, why add them over letting her cheat with James (and/or Rachel)? Why burden yourself with a wide roster of characters when few would do the job?
It may eventually be to the detriment of the game, but until and unless we get any specific reasons coming out, my presumption is that it's just a case of choice. By having several different options (even for instance do you want to accept swimming lessons from Eric, or James, or no one?), it allows you to go for the partners you want, and to avoid the partners you don't want. Obviously not everyone will be available for everything though (I say "obviously", but that, of course, is another assumption!).
 
  • Like
Reactions: CursedByAll

Mr Fable

Creator of "Whispers of Desire"
Game Developer
Oct 5, 2024
546
1,817
172
Alex and Sarah can talk about John & Jessica & Eric without bringing race into it. I understand your fears well enough, but implying it can only lead to one thing is also kinda narrow-minded. They are supposed to talk about the concept of swinging/sharing itself, not the race of the people involved. At least, that would be the logical way to go about it, but Fable does have the chance to fumble it your way still.
We will have more about Erik, Jessica and John in v0.4 that will answer most questions about their relationship.
 
4.40 star(s) 29 Votes