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kleper666

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You took some 3D images you found online, drastically reduced their quality, and tried to build a gamer around it. Why do people think this is a good idea?
I usually try to answer questions but...I don't really know how to answer to that nonsense xD, I mean, you're looking for games or trying to stop their development? o_O
 
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jasterx17

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I like the concept of this game, I think you are on to something with it. There aren't many that do warcraft RPG, that being said, maybe you can build upon this more. I would love to see how far you can go on your system design.
 
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Stronkboi

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I usually try to answer questions but...I don't really know how to answer to that nonsense xD, I mean, you're looking for games or trying to stop their development? o_O
I have no party in the debate but I think what he means is that it lacks any originality.
It's like me taking arts from x artist, build some sort of context to use those art, and claim the product as mine.

I don't really have a say in that though, just helpin' ye figure out what he means.
 
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kleper666

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I have no party in the debate but I think what he means is that it lacks any originality.
It's like me taking arts from x artist, build some sort of context to use those art, and claim the product as mine.

I don't really have a say in that though, just helpin' ye figure out what he means.
Well yeah, but not everyone is an artist, no money to hire one, I still need to do my own games with my own ideas or my twisted mind will explode. (y)
 
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yatomemamama

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deathwing from wow/hearthstone if i am not mistaken cool dragon.

a battlecry dragon that costs 10 with 12/12 and the ability to destroy all other minions and discard your hand.
 
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Stronkboi

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Well yeah, but not everyone is an artist, no money to hire one, I still need to do my own games with my own ideas or my twisted mind will explode. (y)
Well I too don't know how to draw, I just know how to write, and well I still used my own stuff.
But tbh as long as you credit the artist I feel like you shouldn't have any issue.
 
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You took some 3D images you found online, drastically reduced their quality, and tried to build a gamer around it. Why do people think this is a good idea?
i mean some ppl need shit to cover for their lack of talent and/or skills xD
 
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If it is non-profit I dont see any problem with "borrowed Art". You guys would be suprised how many of "original art" is actualy someone elses work just painted over again to make it look a little bit diffrent.

Not to mention that noname55 himself is using the brand and characters from World of Warcraft without permison from Blizzard (and he makes money on it). I dont say it is wrong. I am always for freedom of art after all. Just saying the facts.

I haven't checked this game itself yet. I'd say it could use better marketing. The game descrition in OP dont look very well made, or intrigueing.
 
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I did it. (y)
Did you credit the creators behind every piece of art in your game?

Also, from a legal perspective, you'd be hard pressed arguing that what this game does is fair use. First, it's not really transformative; you're not using the art to create something markedly different from the original - if putting the art into an order and adding some unrelated text was fair use then I could legally just take peoples art, shuffle it around, put it into a photo album, add some story captions beneath it, and then host it on my website for personal exposure and ad revenue. Second, you're using the whole artwork without altering it or adding to it meaningfully. Third, if it came from a paid site then you using the work would be considered to be reducing the value of the artists product and affecting his ability to profit from it - even if you are not profiting yourself.

Some clarifications for above commenters:
- Putting characters in a different context but creating your own artwork is fair use. This is not comparable. This is taking the art itself.
- Using pieces of artwork in things like collage paintings, or as samples in markedly different pieces of music is also fair use in most cases. Again, this isn't that, it isn't being added as a layer of a more complex song, or a small part of a new picture in a new artstyle, it's just someone taking the picture, using it in the exact same purpose as it was intended, but putting some text around it.
- This piece gives access to the original image file to people who can unpack the game. It would be unedited and it came from a paid site. That's very much not fair use.

So yeah, if you're doing it without the authors consent then it's almost certainly illegal. It's also pretty immoral given you are using other people's work to make yourself look good with little likely benefit to the original authors, which is different to the pirated games hosted here which make their creators look good and can lead to people buying things from those creatives.

Whether or not that is appropriate for this site is, of course, a separate question, one which I have no desire to litigate.

(All of this is using US law as a guide, and given they have the broadest and most lenient interpretation of fair use in the western world, it would be more illegal elsewhere)
 
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Did you credit the creators behind every piece of art in your game?

Also, from a legal perspective, you'd be hard pressed arguing that what this game does is fair use. First, it's not really transformative; you're not using the art to create something markedly different from the original - if putting the art into an order and adding some unrelated text was fair use then I could legally just take peoples art, shuffle it around, put it into a photo album, add some story captions beneath it, and then host it on my website for personal exposure and ad revenue. Second, you're using the whole artwork without altering it or adding to it meaningfully. Third, if it came from a paid site then you using the work would be considered to be reducing the value of the artists product and affecting his ability to profit from it - even if you are not profiting yourself.

Some clarifications for above commenters:
- Putting characters in a different context but creating your own artwork is fair use. This is not comparable. This is taking the art itself.
- Using pieces of artwork in things like collage paintings, or as samples in markedly different pieces of music is also fair use in most cases. Again, this isn't that, it isn't being added as a layer of a more complex song, or a small part of a new picture in a new artstyle, it's just someone taking the picture, using it in the exact same purpose as it was intended, but putting some text around it.
- This piece of fair use gives access to the original image file to people who can unpack the game. It would be unedited and it came from a paid site. That's very much not fair use.

So yeah, if you're doing it without the authors consent then it's almost certainly illegal. It's also pretty immoral given you are using other people's work to make yourself look good with little likely benefit to the original authors, which is different to the pirated games hosted here which make their creators look good and can lead to people buying things from those creatives.

Whether or not that is appropriate for this site is, of course, a separate question, one which I have no desire to litigate.

(All of this is using US law as a guide, and given they have the broadest and most lenient interpretation of fair use in the western world, it would be more illegal elsewhere)
amazing how you managed to articulate all of that without realizing SFM models are stolen assets ripped from their original games
 

kurokitsune17

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So is this good? If compared against opala where does it fall? How much game play? When playing a rpg game, I care more than if it was just a visual novel.
 
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amazing how you managed to articulate all of that without realizing SFM models are stolen assets ripped from their original games
I mean I did say that transformative pieces are fine, and posing and putting a model in a new setting and creating original renders almost certainly qualifies. They also don't affect the sales of the original product negatively. I mean, porn parodies and machinima and the like have been accepted as fair use for decades so I don't exactly think that you're understanding even the very basic elements of my argument; ie. Taking an image file which had a monetary cost, not editing it at all, and then using it in your own work is different than using an asset or character or setting in a new and transformative way.

Your comment reads like a gotcha, but it seems like you just got yourself, y'know?
 
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jasterx17

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These posting getting more about the CG, than the games it self.. But yea it is true he should give credit to artist that made it. Just good manners to do so, other wise people are gonna think you made it. That being said it's still game well made, that he can build on to make better, I mean you could make a patreon ask artist to help with his next one.
 
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