Why cuckqueaning is so rare in games?

[obibobi]

People are bringing up the threesome thing and that's part of it, but here's where I think the core of the issue is, say you go ahead and have your typically scenario, have a woman fucking the husband mock the woman being cheated on.

There's no cuck for the NTR fans to project on to, there's no man to project on to to mock the other guy, instead you are just left with this scenario of some poor woman getting mocked and hurt an aspect that a fetish needs to skirt around.

I like the cheating fetish, but there's a balancing line, I like the cheating fetish when there's some bungling partner who doesn't catch on, but if the husband finds out he's being cheated on, becomes a broken man, a family's ruined, it steps outside the fetish into painful realistic outcomes.

 

[MissCougar]

I feel like my understanding of what a cuckquean is must be wrong somehow. I thought it was where the woman is leading the cucking with another guy and the husband is forced to uncomfortably watch and clean up afterwards. Usually be disallowed to get off, and humiliated in a subservient role. The woman is leading the whole event and is the boss.

Seems like you guys are wanting swinging where the guy is just the center of attention... again. I guess that could be it?

Help me out Saerwen ! Am I totally wrong on my kink understanding?

 

[SinisterPortal]

instead you are just left with this scenario of some poor woman getting mocked and hurt an aspect that a fetish needs to skirt around.

well, "a woman gets mocked and humiliated" is like almost every porn and a lot of AVNs especially Japanese (well, and in Japanese media women are often raped, I guess being raped is also somewhat humiliating?). But yeah, we are talking about a different kind of humiliation here.

But hey! Humiliation doesn't have to be part of that at all. I personally don't enjoy humiliation in any form or kind. I'd prefer a game where a girlfriend just gets off on seeing her boyfriend enjoying other women, without any of the participants being humiliated or sex-denied.

 

[luluxor]

You're telling me the land of japan haven't though of a game where a guy has to fuck 20 girls in front of his childhood friend (cuckquean) to undo the curse she got from the chastity demon to lock her magical power that would defeat the king of demons? I'm disapointed japan, this sound like a plot they'd have done 50times lmao

 

[SinisterPortal]

Seems like you guys are wanting swinging where the guy is just the center of attention... again. I guess that could be it?

Not exactly. The gf/wife watching it and enjoying it is an important part. And she is the main character in the story, not the girls the boyfriend/husband fucks

 

[SinisterPortal]

You're telling me the land of japan haven't though of a game where a guy has to fuck 20 girls in front of his childhood friend (cuckquean) to undo the curse she got from the chastity demon to lock her magical power that would defeat the king of demons? I'm disapointed japan, this sound like a plot they'd have done 50times lmao

only one VN I know of

 

[luluxor]

only one VN I know of

Sad day for the fetish lovers, but yeah, I think the reason behind that is that it's because the cuckquean fetish is way less male centric in it's appeal and require a lot of set up to work for a male audience, hence why it's also way less known outside of the written smut sphere and is mostly known/consumend by women too.

What I mean by that is that for a lot of people it's more appealing to dominate a girl into submission (and then make her part of a harem) rather than a girl kind of self dominate herself into submission by seeing the guy have sex with another girl, one feels more passive and one more active from a guy's perspective (those who are into maledom at least), so writers are more likely to write the path where the guy is presented like a more active/dominant force.
The guy have less impact on the girl's arousal, or at least not in the direct sense with the cuckquean fetish, because it's the girl's own psyche that's fuelling it, and to properly display/represent the fetish, you have to protray the scene from a more removed point of view (the cuckquean), which makes it complicated for the male part of the audience to feel as invested because of the added layer.

Not saying it's impossible, there are set ups where it could work, but it's definitely trickier to write, hence the lack of representation of that fetish I think.

 

[SinisterPortal]

hence why it's also way less known outside of the written smut sphere and is mostly known/consumend by women too

What perplexes me is that you can easily find both video and written smut about cuckqueans, but not VNs/games. E.g. I found this video very easily searching "cucked". Yes, most videos were about men getting cucked, vids about cucked women are prolly 5-10% of them. But it is still a huge difference with VNs where there's almost none.


I always considered AVNs as something in-between porn videos and written smut. AVNs usually have more story than porn, but less than books. On the other hand, AVNs are more "visual" than books, but of course less than videos.

 

[lfgals1]

I feel like my understanding of what a cuckquean is must be wrong somehow. I thought it was where the woman is leading the cucking with another guy and the husband is forced to uncomfortably watch and clean up afterwards. Usually be disallowed to get off, and humiliated in a subservient role. The woman is leading the whole event and is the boss.

Seems like you guys are wanting swinging where the guy is just the center of attention... again. I guess that could be it?

Help me out Saerwen ! Am I totally wrong on my kink understanding?

Totally wrong, cuckquean is just a lady cuck. Gets off on watching her man fuck other women, generally in a context meant to ilicit some mix of jealousy, vouyerism, and degredation.

Swinging is when both partners fuck other folks. Cuckquean is the man fucking other folks while the woman watches.

 

[lfgals1]

well, "a woman gets mocked and humiliated" is like almost every porn and a lot of AVNs especially Japanese (well, and in Japanese media women are often raped, I guess being raped is also somewhat humiliating?). But yeah, we are talking about a different kind of humiliation here.

But hey! Humiliation doesn't have to be part of that at all. I personally don't enjoy humiliation in any form or kind. I'd prefer a game where a girlfriend just gets off on seeing her boyfriend enjoying other women, without any of the participants being humiliated or sex-denied.

Humiliation is sort of integral to the 'cuck' kink in general. The cuck being excluded purposefully from sex with their partner because the partner "enjoys it more with someone else". Otherwise why not just have a threesome or swing?

 

[SinisterPortal]

Humiliation is sort of integral to the 'cuck' kink in general. The cuck being excluded purposefully from sex with their partner because the partner "enjoys it more with someone else". Otherwise why not just have a threesome or swing?

No, it's not integral, it's two different dynamics: cuckold/hotwife and stag/vixen. In the latter case no humiliation is assumed and the stag sometimes gets vouyeristic pleasure only, sometimes joins for MMF threesomes, as he wishes. Vouyerism doesn't have to be accompanied by emotional masochism.
Same for cuckqueaning, tho there's no specific term for cuckqueaning without humiliation that I know of, but I'm not good at this terminology, maybe there's one

 

[whowhawhy]

what a cuckquean is

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because why not. for more modern use, having it as a fetish implies there being enjoyment of it.

 

[Saerwen]

I feel like my understanding of what a cuckquean is must be wrong somehow. I thought it was where the woman is leading the cucking with another guy and the husband is forced to uncomfortably watch and clean up afterwards. Usually be disallowed to get off, and humiliated in a subservient role. The woman is leading the whole event and is the boss.

Seems like you guys are wanting swinging where the guy is just the center of attention... again. I guess that could be it?

Help me out Saerwen ! Am I totally wrong on my kink understanding?

It's basically what women in a harem are. Unwillingly sharing King. For porn version, they would gladly watch other women with King or even join. Though this is leaning toward "hothusbanding".

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

That's because conceptually, it's not that much different from standard harem. You very often have the girlfriend encourage the guy to bang all the chicks because he is god's gift to Earth or something. That basically covers consensual cuckqueen (kinda like NTS for the woman).

The super rare one would be the woman being cucked against her desires, aka reverse NTR. Well, unless you count the harem games where MC cheats on his girlfriend/wife... so maybe it's not so rare after all.

Lol, basically these are mostly covered by harem games.

Not if you want a cuckquean protagonist. I've never even heard of such a game, but other erotica of it exists (where MC is humiliated for not being as pretty and loses her husband to some homewrecker etc.)

 

[Sotona]

only one VN I know of

There is also WVM with the main girl being one but goodluck with that and then there is sorta it with Grandmas House with one of the LNs and their daughter but even that is bare minimum.

 

[Raksha17]

Here's two more:
Quean Bee
Beyond Constraints

 

[Raksha17]

I feel like my understanding of what a cuckquean is must be wrong somehow. I thought it was where the woman is leading the cucking with another guy and the husband is forced to uncomfortably watch and clean up afterwards. Usually be disallowed to get off, and humiliated in a subservient role. The woman is leading the whole event and is the boss.

Seems like you guys are wanting swinging where the guy is just the center of attention... again. I guess that could be it?

Help me out @Saerwen ! Am I totally wrong on my kink understanding?

A Cuckquean is a woman that likes to watch her partner have sex with other people (and encourages it [and sometimes watches]). The correspondent to the male cuck just not with the same loser status (and getting the "Queen" added) the male one gets as it probably is more of a male fantasy that the woman he is toghether with wants him to have sex with other women.
Edit:
After reading whowhawhy 's comment it seems it got that last part totally wrong.

 

[TonyMurray]

I guess there isn't a big enough audience for a cuckquean game to be successful enough. I know there are plenty of people who would want to play one (I'm one, and I've spoken with several other people here about the topic), but are there enough people, and can a dev find them?

Those saying it's because it's basically harem or threesome stuff are wrong, because it's not about the number of girls total or the number at the same time, it's about the partner's enjoyment of and desire for her husband/boyfriend fucking other women (and often watching, perhaps pleasuring herself while he does it). Your typical cuck fetish of a guy jerking off while watching some bull fuck his wife is the example you need to look at here, it's just reversed so it's a woman jilling herself while watching her husband fuck some other woman.

Someone mentioned Beyond Constraints - it's perhaps the best example I've seen (I look for 3d Ren-Py games only though). The wife openly has a fetish for her husband fucking other women and sending her pictures/videos of it, and telling her all about it afterwards. She actively encourages him to do it, going so far as to pick women for him to seduce and telling him what to wear for dates with them, etc.

 

[SinisterPortal]

There is also WVM with the main girl being one but goodluck with that and then there is sorta it with Grandmas House with one of the LNs and their daughter but even that is bare minimum.

Here's two more:
Quean Bee
Beyond Constraints

Reading comments in the VNs mentioned here I actually found a few more cuckquean VNs.

First, What's Mine is Yours from that comment

Second, A King's Bane from here

From another comment:

Cuckquean where spouse plays a big role:
Netorase(spouse knows about it and allows it):
https://f95zone.to/threads/work-sex-of-a-sober-maid-final-appetite-game.81511/
Netorare(you are cheating on her):
https://f95zone.to/threads/forbidden-love-with-my-wifes-sister-appetite.4143/
https://f95zone.to/threads/sandwiched-by-my-wife-and-her-sister-psycho.6192/
https://f95zone.to/threads/my-girlfriends-friends-v1-5-kyle-mercury.66422/

Cuckquean where spouse is not present but is a plot device:
https://f95zone.to/threads/seduced-by-a-magic-milf-final-appetite.135023/


So it seems the rule of thumb is to go to a known cuckquean game's comment section and look for recommendations, since the first feeling people have after playing it is "I want more of this! Where can I find it?!" (I had this feeling too even from games where cuckquean is a minor component)
I had worse luck searching for cuckquean games in the 'recommendations' section


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[obibobi]

well, "a woman gets mocked and humiliated" is like almost every porn and a lot of AVNs especially Japanese (well, and in Japanese media women are often raped, I guess being raped is also somewhat humiliating?). But yeah, we are talking about a different kind of humiliation here.

But you hit on the answer, its a different form of humilation. The differences between men and women in their biological reproductive role is where a lot of this come's from.

The man is being mocked for failing to get the woman, same reason its considered a much bigger failing for a man to use a sex toy, its seen as his failing to get a woman. Women are expected to be chased and then pick.

In a fetish way yes, rape is a humiliation, its like, "ha, you ain't deciding"

Men getting raped is treated for laughs in American media, but thats mocking a man for being weak, which is something a man is not suppose to be.

Now I not saying people need to live by their nature, just how is it not surprising that most sexual fetishes are some form of our nature, even seemingly weird fetishes like vore play off the natural fear of being prey.