why developer avoid RPGM....?

[Delmach]

So really, people don't like playing RPGM games because the mechanics are dumb, take time to complete and generally just get in the way of the "game".

Get in the way of the "game" you say. I would say its get in the way of their "porn". Because most people just want porn, nothing else. Look around how many just blindly click every dialogue away in games and then ask stupid questions at even the slightest problem that may occur. And that applies to all engines. There are too many people that play Porn or Adult games but dont want any game part. Not even Renpy "gameplay".

Dev's don't use RPGM to make games because there are so many bad games made with it that any game made with it will automatically be tarred with the same brush by the target audience.

Calling a game bad is subjective, and even then I would argue that there are far more bad, boring, bland, buggy games made in Renpy for example, that are already bad, and also will never amount to anything due to not being finished.

And let's face it if you're making a pervy game, there are alternative engines you can use that people prefer to play.

To emulate something else than pictures you achieve by clicking a lot, you would probably need to use Unity or Unreal engine, and those are known to cause problems, or actually smelt cheap Laptops because of the graphics. Now if we are talking about sidescroller or platform games, thats a different story. But then we are already deep in the "Porn game dares to throw gameplay at me, wheres my porn" territory.

 

[EvilMonkey]

Get in the way of the "game" you say. I would say its get in the way of their "porn". Because most people just want porn, nothing else...

I want "story", I want something to unfold, a mystery. What I don't want is to walk to one corner of the map around pixel buildings getting stuck on the top of lamp posts with a disabled run function and then have to go all the way back only to find that I need to do that several times to complete 1 side-quest.

...Calling a game bad is subjective, and even then I would argue that there are far more bad, boring, bland, buggy games made in Renpy...

You're right, it's totally down to choice and in my opinion there aren't many "good" games that I've seen in RPGM and even then I hate the RPGM elements in them.

...To emulate something else than pictures you achieve by clicking a lot, you would probably need to use Unity or Unreal engine, and those are known to cause problems, or actually smelt cheap Laptops because of the graphics. Now if we are talking about sidescroller or platform games, thats a different story. But then we are already deep in the "Porn game dares to throw gameplay at me, wheres my porn" territory...

I seriously doubt anyone plays porn/pervy/sex games for the gameplay. If you're playing something for gameplay then you probably don't really care about the content of the game so why are you bringing this up when referencing porn games? It's about fantasy, story and eroticism, giving the reader/audience an illusion of choice and control. Trying to turn it into Alex Kidd with tits is just a waste of time.

If you can suggest reasons why RPGM is good for making games then please reply and state examples of good games using RPGM.

 

[Delmach]

I want "story", I want something to unfold, a mystery. What I don't want is to walk to one corner of the map around pixel buildings getting stuck on the top of lamp posts with a disabled run function and then have to go all the way back only to find that I need to do that several times to complete 1 side-quest.

Then read a book, most games on this website are nothing more than books with pictures of adult nature. And theres even books where you can chose a different outcome, just jump to page xx for this story arc.

Also, you named inconveniences or bugs/errors/glitches as part of a fault of an engine. Thats no argument for or against an engine, thats for or against a developer.

I seriously doubt anyone plays porn/pervy/sex games for the gameplay. If you're playing something for gameplay then you probably don't really care about the content of the game so why are you bringing this up when referencing porn games? It's about fantasy, story and eroticism, giving the reader/audience an illusion of choice and control. Trying to turn it into Alex Kidd with tits is just a waste of time.

Just because you cant fathom that people actually want other things than you, and that can be gameplay, doesnt mean its the same for everyone else. For example Future Fragments does it pretty nicely, putting a platformer together with nice story, sound design, characters, and world building. And of course adult parts.

Also, why would they instantly not care about the content of the game just because they actually have decent gameplay? You are looking for content in the Games section on this website, after all. Games might contain gameplay, as implied by the name. Thats why I bring this up when referincing to Porn Games.

Now how about that, what if a game actually had all good parts, be it fun gameplay, great story behind it, enjoyable sexy parts, nicely written characters? Thats something to aspire, at least for me.

So I repeat, just because its about fantasy, story, eroticism for you does not mean its the same for everyone else. And honestly, the part about giving the illusion of choice and control sounds negative for me, not positive. It sounds like many of those "games" that only let you chose different dialogue, and the outcome is the same, all the time.

Last part, reasons to use RPGM is because some people like discoveries, like when a world feels a bit alive, not just backgrounds. And also, some people like RPG's, or exploring, and everything that comes with it. And examples of good games using the engine? There are too many for me to list, but you already admitted you actually hate the mechanics, and im not that stupid to try to argue that, especially over the internet. And this is far from a recommendation thread where people actually honestly ask for games other enjoyed.

 

[EvilMonkey]

...Then read a book, most games on this website are nothing more than books with pictures of adult nature...

So you like games without story? That seems a bit boring to me. And I do read books, watch films and play games and they all have stories in them. I suppose you like those strip poker games with the naked ladies huh? That doesn't have a lot of story to it.

...Also, you named inconveniences or bugs/errors/glitches as part of a fault of an engine. Thats no argument for or against an engine, thats for or against a developer...

That's examples of my experiences and gripes with RPGM games. I can't give you examples of other peoples experiences, just mine.

...Just because you cant fathom that people actually want other things than you, and that can be gameplay, doesnt mean its the same for everyone else. For example Future Fragments does it pretty nicely, putting a platformer together with nice story, sound design, characters, and world building. And of course adult parts...

I can totally understand that other people may want something different from a game than me but the whole point of this thread is to answer why developers aren't favouring RPGM games and my point is that I, like a lot of people, don't like RPGM games and why I don't.

...Also, why would they instantly not care about the content of the game just because they actually have decent gameplay?...

Okay, maybe you misunderstood me, what I meant is that if gameplay is what someone is looking for then you won't put so much importance on what the game is about. People on this site aren't looking for awesome gameplay, they're looking for content that appeals to them and gameplay is secondary for most, otherwise they'd be browsing Steam and not this site.

...Now how about that, what if a game actually had all good parts, be it fun gameplay, great story behind it, enjoyable sexy parts, nicely written characters? Thats something to aspire, at least for me...

That would be great but it's a bit of a unicorn.

...So I repeat, just because its about fantasy, story, eroticism for you does not mean its the same for everyone else. And honestly, the part about giving the illusion of choice and control sounds negative for me, not positive. It sounds like many of those "games" that only let you chose different dialogue, and the outcome is the same, all the time...

Do you know what true choice is? It's not deciding to go left or right, it's deciding whether you could run to the shops, steal a dozen packs of chewing gum and then spit it all in the face of a policeman while waving your cock about. The illusion of choice is what happens when you're given limited options and asked to choose one. That's what I meant. Because in a game it's already coded along with the outcomes, it's not true choice. It's an illusion.

...Last part, reasons to use RPGM is because some people like discoveries, like when a world feels a bit alive, not just backgrounds. And also, some people like RPG's, or exploring, and everything that comes with it. And examples of good games using the engine? There are too many for me to list, but you already admitted you actually hate the mechanics, and im not that stupid to try to argue that, especially over the internet. And this is far from a recommendation thread where people actually honestly ask for games other enjoyed.

...I don't know what to say about this, there were two points for you to reply with and you didn't answer either of them. "People like discoveries and when the world feels a bit alive"? That could be any game on any engine, that would be content dependant and not engine dependant. I thought you'd be able to offer up some mechanics that I'm not aware of about the genre as you seem to know about quite a few of them. From my limited knowledge, the control of a sprite character to be guided around "just backgrounds" doesn't really cut it for me. For me it's boring and in some cases as you pointed out, buggy as hell.

I also honestly thought you'd be able to name a few RPGM games that I could look at and change my mind over but just chickening out and saying there are too many to list? FFS, just name a couple that validate your point! I remember playing "The Artifact" and I quite liked that game, it didn't have too much walking about and the quests weren't too bad but my decision to not bother with RPGM games anymore was based on my experience as a whole and most of the games I played on that engine annoyed me. Even the issue with screen resolution gave me a headache. Just putting pointless quests that make you run about the city so you can get to the next part of the story just isn't for me, there isn't enough skill, entertainment or adventure in it.

So, yeah, I don't like RPGM games because of my experiences with it, it's easily fucked up and annoyances coded into the engine that just keep happening throughout your play. And to my knowledge it doesn't have any features that would give it an advantage over any other game engine, in fact there are features within the engine that I don't like. So that's my opinion and experience with it and a possible reason that developers wouldn't favour it.

 

[Delmach]

So you like games without story? That seems a bit boring to me. And I do read books, watch films and play games and they all have stories in them. I suppose you like those strip poker games with the naked ladies huh? That doesn't have a lot of story to it.

Not sure how you got that out of me saying that most games on this site are nothing more than books with pictures of adult nature. Maybe its this; I didnt mean only pictures, I meant books with text, alongside with pictures. Which many so called games here are. They can barely be called a game, which isnt necessarily bad. I just think some people arent honest in what they are looking for, as in, they dont want any game in their "porn game". Hence why we see many people asking for saves, walkthroughs for a game thats sometimes completly linear, with only one story path to follow.

And I can enjoy many things, mostly depending on my mood. A game where the porn is secondary to writing is fine, just as the complete opposite. Just not always the same.

About the gameplay part, yes, its not a primary thing most often, but that doesnt mean it cant be there, and cant appeal to people to do something else than just receive porn pictures. Also, which is another thing many people like, the gameplay can be paired up with adult things. And RPGM games do that quite often. Theres a whole category for that, which is called Battle Fuck.

About the choice, sure, if you put it that way, theres no program with unlimited choices. You can only experience what is coded. But I meant that there are many games where you actually get dialogue choices, and you can click whatever choice you want and the outcome is the same, no matter what you pick. Thats where the illusion of choice is a really weak one.

Now, you asked if I can give reasons why RPGM is good for making (certain) games. And I answered, just because its not the answer you were looking for doesnt mean I didnt give reasons. I alluded to it being an engine that works good for exploration, discovering, for world building, for being an RPG. To me it can feel more alive than other engines, except some that are 3d perhaps. But thats probably a personal preference mostly.

And let me explain why I didnt name any games. First, you already said you hate RPGM elements, which kind of makes it seem futile to give out recommendations, second, I personally experienced that many, many people dont want to have a reason to change their mind. They dont want to be proven wrong or reconsider. Even less so on the internet. So to me it didnt really look like a honest question.

And while im still sceptical, and there arent games that are just good or bad, as thats subjective again, lets just list a few that are "popular":

Sangeki of Gear, Meltys Quest, Virgin Island, Makina and the City of Ruins, Ariadne, Magica, Monster Girl Quest, Roundscape Adorevia. To name a few. And while I enjoy the ones from western developers too, they are also nearly all still in development. But for example I like EraHunter, Coceter Chronicles, Yorna, Valiant Warrior Astrid, Vis Major, A New Dawn. And now im done, enough words.

 

[zerozip0]

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[EvilMonkey]

...to me it didnt really look like a honest question...

I'm always open to debate and don't see the point of asking a question if I'm not going to take notice of the answer.

I'd actually forgotten about the Coceter Chronicles so thanks for reminding me, I played a version that finished just after you go through the warp into the "human world" and I really liked it. I deleted it along with all the RPGM games when I just got fed up with them and the little "idiosyncrasies" they have. Maybe I'll give that another go when it's next updated and check out some of your recommendations?

 

[FoxLust]

Because RpgMaker isnt great at all and its just bad. If you want to make a great game make it yourself and don't use things like RpgMaker

 

[HopesGaming]

Because RpgMaker isnt great at all and its just bad. If you want to make a great game make it yourself and don't use things like RpgMaker

I disagree. It can be an excellent engine if utilized well and actually used for what it was made for.

 

[FoxLust]

I disagree. It can be an excellent engine if utilized well and actually used for what it was made for.

For beginners yes and if it made great yes. I agree but if you're talented or have great potential people should use like unity or other things. But depends on preferences too