Why do so many NTR authors suck at writing?

[Diconica]

I like NTR games to an extent. Primarily well written one's and one's I am not expected to associate myself as being one of the characters.

I hate shit were the author tries to shortcut crap.
Lets say you have a couple and he works in an office the opposition works in another one she visits the opposition trying to gain info overtime she falls for the bad guy which ever way.
Maybe, he is nice to her. Maybe he uses incremental behavioral modification.... The point is her mind changes and she now wants to be with him.
That vs she goes next door. The prick next door uses magic suddenly she does what he wants.
That second one is just lazy ass shit. I wouldn't even call it NTR rape by magic yes NTR no.

Also if the characters don't have a relationship that is strong at the start of the story and I feel they are disconnected you aren't really taking anything away or loosing anything.
Again not what I would classify as NTR. Show the break down of a relationship at least to claim it was that type of NTR.

I swear most NTR writers appear to be more lazy than even the average adult game writer.
What I mean is I think 60% of adult game writers are lazy but when it comes to NTR that number is 90% or more.
Maybe more people would like NTR if they would take the time to write something worth a shit rather than shortcut the fuck out of everything.
If you won't put any effort into writing it why in fuck should anyone put any into playing it.

I get there are a lot of forms of NTR. I just gave those two as examples. You can see as bad or worse in every type.

 

[I TOSHIKI]

Art comes from life, it may take longer to just imagine

 

[moskis22]

I think most of western games tagged as NTR shouldn't be tagged as that, i remember once playing one and it asked me if i was okay with NTR, i answered yes and it lead to a threesome (MC + his friend and a girl) with no impact on the story, wtf
Also japanese games have the language barrier, that even with a good translation, it usually leads to worse writing

 

[Losersriot]

100% of novel devs are guys. They believe in all sorts of nonsense. For example, in corruption. They believe that the girl is initially pure. The very concept of sexual purity is very firmly seated in the minds of young boys. A female heroine can't just fall in love. A male developer subconsciously does not allow the thought of such a thing. He subconsciously puts himself not in the place of the female heroine, but in the place of her boyfriend. In such games, there is ALWAYS a boyfriend. This is the developer's alter ego. And there are always corruption points. Because the developer perceives any behavior of a woman as treason to himself - as something vicious.

In fact, today there is not a single psychologically purely female game. Beauty and the Thug is the only attempt I know of.

 

[Sphere42]

100% of novel devs are guys. They believe in all sorts of nonsense. For example, in corruption. They believe that the girl is initially pure. The very concept of sexual purity is very firmly seated in the minds of young boys. A female heroine can't just fall in love. A male developer subconsciously does not allow the thought of such a thing. He subconsciously puts himself not in the place of the female heroine, but in the place of her boyfriend. In such games, there is ALWAYS a boyfriend. This is the developer's alter ego. And there are always corruption points. Because the developer perceives any behavior of a woman as treason to himself - as something vicious.

In fact, today there is not a single psychologically purely female game. Beauty and the Thug is the only attempt I know of.

Incels and douchebags, far from all men. And while I don't know about actual NTR we have multiple female devs on here whose games would qualify for the broader "primary female character has sex with a male other than the primary love interest" category.

Plus the young boy stance is "girls have cooties" not "girls are pure", get your stereotypes straight!

 

[Sesinho]

I agree that, when a writer fails to create a somehow strong and believable connection with the "stolen" partner, i kind of dont care much. There are many games out there that start with a wife or girlfriend, throw a little exposition at you, and stragith turn her into a whore.
And there are other games that dont even build the connection, maybe they are just random.
I played one recently where the connection with the wife was severed completely almost from the start and remained taht way to the end. Another one with some sort of coworker that the mc can not even touch, barely peep in some moments.

In those cases, when those females are established to be imposible to achieve, i couldnt care less who they fuck, unless sex scenes are good.
And that is another issue with most of those games, cause they are usually cheap, in both writing and recreation of the sex scenes.

To play the role of a guy who cant get laid with the girl he wants, i dont need a computer, i only need to wake up any morning, sorry shitty devs

 

[Losersriot]

"primary female character has sex with a male other than the primary love interest"

'Primary love interest'? Whose 'love interest' is this? The developer? That's what I'm talking about. These developers make the heroine their love interest. And they should allow the player to choose his own love interest!

 

[Losersriot]

To play the role of a guy who cant get laid with the girl he wants, i dont need a computer, i only need to wake up any morning

You are our Socrates !

 

[Sphere42]

'Primary love interest'? Whose 'love interest' is this? The developer? That's what I'm talking about. These developers make the heroine their love interest. And they should allow the player to choose his own love interest!

I mean either the male character whom the story explicitly defines as the love interest, or the one the player chooses to pick by themselves to then be considered the LI in-universe. Specifically male because that is integral to the overzealous NTR complaints not because of the actual games.

Story-driven male protag games can saddle you with a mandatory female LI just as easily, they're just more varied in how they treat cheating/polygamy.

Heck, go play Degrees of Lewdity. Male dev to my knowledge, an awfully depressing RNG sandbox rape sim as the core of the game, but you can customise the sex of all major NPCs including the childhood friend/designated love interest character. I don't think the game's mechanics quite allow you to do hard NTR but you definitely can be in a romantic lesbian relationship with said friend while also going on dates with your sugar mommy businesswoman or fooling around in bars/at beach parties. Or get fucked by a horse in a brothel sex show, just so we're clear on how the rest of the game tends to go.

 

[Sesinho]

You are our Socrates !
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Was Socrates better than the other ones? I kind of failed Philosophy.

 

[MidnightArrow]

Was Socrates better than the other ones? I kind of failed Philosophy.

We don't know because everything we know about Socrates the man comes from his students, who may've just been making shit up and slapping his name on it so they don't get in trouble. Socrates was supposed to be the Columbo of his time. He'd ask powerful people questions that sounded simple but were supposed to reveal how much of an idiot they were. And when they'd all had enough of his shit they executed him with poison.

Isn't history wonderful?

I swear most NTR writers appear to be more lazy than even the average adult game writer.
What I mean is I think 60% of adult game writers are lazy but when it comes to NTR that number is 90% or more.
Maybe more people would like NTR if they would take the time to write something worth a shit rather than shortcut the fuck out of everything.
If you won't put any effort into writing it why in fuck should anyone put any into playing it.

Sturgeon's Law says 90% of everything is absolute trash-tier dumpster fire garbage.

I don't care about netorare myself but according to these boards there's a huge rabid fanbase which gobbles it up so the devs who do make it are probally just more incentivized. They get attention which makes them want to stick with it while the missing 30% in your equation gets a single dev post with no heat and then languishes sight unseen for the rest of time.

 

[Sphere42]

Was Socrates better than the other ones? I kind of failed Philosophy.

Depends. His main opposition the Sophists basically were politicians and lawyers - "talk to achieve your goals/convince/manipulate people" as opposed to "talk to find truth and understanding". Although five minutes with a plague enthusiast or flat earther should demonstrate that looking, thinking and talking to your peers doesn't always work out either.

That and his death aside, he never wrote anything down. His apprentices did, Plato being one of them, but we can't be sure how many of the teachings ascribed to him are genuine and which parts were invented by them.

 

[Hentai_Kishi]

Sturgeon's Law says 90% of everything is absolute trash-tier dumpster fire garbage.

I don't care about netorare myself but according to these boards there's a huge rabid fanbase which gobbles it up so the devs who do make it are probally just more incentivized. They get attention which makes them want to stick with it while the missing 30% in your equation gets a single dev post with no heat and then languishes sight unseen for the rest of time.

"huge rabid fanbase"? I can accept rabid, but huge?

 

[MidnightArrow]

"huge rabid fanbase"? I can accept rabid, but huge?

I only know what I hear people complain about on F95Zone.

 

[Hentai_Kishi]

I only know what I hear people complain about on F95Zone.

It's not your fault, I just hope you know that in this case it's not even close to being a huge fanbase. See, there are a lot of threads about it but the rundown is that there isn't this crazy incentive to make games like that, people think and comment that because they see an aspect of it being inserted into one or two games, giving people the impression that this genre is more popular than it actually is. NTR games also don't have this magical protection of fans that just accept everything some dev put out. Please don't be memed into believing this stuff.

 

[Sphere42]

NTR games also don't have this magical protection of fans that just accept everything some dev put out.

Gonna call bullshit on that one. Nothing to do with NTR in any way (except you could call them "cucks" instead of "suckers" I guess) but once a dev has amassed a captive fan base they can in fact get away with almost anything in regards to poor quality. Likewise the trash v0.0.001alpha tech demos are low opportunity cost with a low chance of at least roping in a handful of fools. Or rather their money.

 

[Lunamaria]

This isn't exclusive to NTR. Most porn writers go through this. Every single story is full of contrivances to get to the end goal of sex. People come for the porn in these games so actually developing the characters and their relationships ends up boring a large portion of the audience. You have people who do care about development but then you have people who just want to masturbate so the author is often forced to skim on details. Especially since money is usually involved in the development of these games. Since money is involved, the author is at the whim of their biggest paying audience usually to the detriment of the product. That's one thing I dislike about the current model of paying monthly for updates during game development. It puts the highest payers over integrity. Characters can be switched up between updates due to the audience's reaction to them.

 

[DawnCry]

To be fair most creators tend to do something very shitty at the start, cause lack of experience, no prior planning or they literally suck at writing.

It isn't something about NTR or not, it's just how it is, many people just directly jump into developing a game without working a bit their skills or preparation, even worse when they start with a game that would need an expert on all aspects to actually end up as something good.

It's kind of the reason why most games end up abandoned or need some rework.

 

[baneini]

Boring and predictable doesn't quantify a good writer, but thats what ntr storylines are. "ntr game" pigeon holes the project towards certain content that draws in that audience, since they have expectations from other ntr games and how the game is being portrayed as one.
No good writer is going to subject themselves to it preferring to make a normal game with some ntr elements in it.

 

[Hentai_Kishi]

Gonna call bullshit on that one. Nothing to do with NTR in any way (except you could call them "cucks" instead of "suckers" I guess) but once a dev has amassed a captive fan base they can in fact get away with almost anything in regards to poor quality. Likewise the trash v0.0.001alpha tech demos are low opportunity cost with a low chance of at least roping in a handful of fools. Or rather their money.

First of all there is a big difference between an exclusive ntr game and a game with 1 ntr scene, if it's a ntr game with bad writing, which happens, fans abandon the game because it failed the main thing it proposed to do. If there is a game that has ntr but it isn't the main focus, even if the ntr plot fails completely the game still has it's main thing going on, fewer supporters abandon the ship overall because not everyone was there for that tag anyway.

There will always be people that continue to support trash devs after they amassed a following but you can't do anything about that and it's an absurd exaggeration to say that devs can get away with anything if they are big enough when we see games descending into oblivion just because they took a wrong turn.

The point I contested on the other user's post is that first of all there is no "huge" ntr community and second, players in the enn tee aru community aren't so eager to consume and defend just about any type of trash ntr content for no reason at all, in fact you can see projects taking a hit in their reviews and thread comments as soon as they start with the "mah big blacc dicc" cliche for example, or if the dev tries to lock out content.