Why do so many NTR authors suck at writing?

[Diconica]

Also japanese games have the language barrier, that even with a good translation, it usually leads to worse writing

It's never really been a language barrier issue with their games for me. Yep, some translations suck ass. We all know that.
However, even going back and looking at the original in the cases I have issue with one of their works doesn't tend to make it any better.

It simply comes down to some writers want to tell a story and other writers want to get to the sex scene or maybe it is their shitty publisher that pushed it that way or whatever. I haven't looked that deep into their reasoning.

This post of mine probably also should be more directed at the newer developers.
Even there when language is a barrier it usually isn't at fault for this issue.

100% of novel devs are guys. They believe in all sorts of nonsense. For example, in corruption. They believe that the girl is initially pure. The very concept of sexual purity is very firmly seated in the minds of young boys. A female heroine can't just fall in love. A male developer subconsciously does not allow the thought of such a thing. He subconsciously puts himself not in the place of the female heroine, but in the place of her boyfriend. In such games, there is ALWAYS a boyfriend. This is the developer's alter ego. And there are always corruption points. Because the developer perceives any behavior of a woman as treason to himself - as something vicious.

In fact, today there is not a single psychologically purely female game. Beauty and the Thug is the only attempt I know of.

I tend to get different vibes off different developers when it comes to their games.
Some you can clearly tell are virgins never got laid in their life. They have no clue about picking up women, dating, relationships, hell they don't even know women's squirt is mostly if nothing but piss. Not a single one of their games is worth play.
Then you have guys that simply hate women. You can tell they have been picked on or a woman hurt them in life or something and they have an absolute hatred in how they perceive women. It's visible in the writing, how they portray women, the options they create for female characters to make and so on.
Then you have the white knight fucks who want to write a harem game and every girl he fucks he pops her cherry. I think that's the one's you are referring to.
The most prolific are the clearly general basement dwellers. They still live at home with their parents. They clearly don't get out and have isolated themselves from the world for any number of reasons. They may have had a relationship or two or a female friend who was their life line to reality while they were still in school but now she shows up maybe every so often.

Every author tends to give away parts about themselves in their writings. Even the most famous do. Good writers often write about what they know or from a view point they understand. So it isn't a bad thing to give away such information it can't really be helped. That said it can also show when most writers are writing outside of their zone of experience or knowledge what frame of mind they are in or a view point they have.

If you take a look at prostitutes most of them tend to see men as a means to an end or a tool in which to get money. Hint don't fall in love with one.
I tend to think adult game development has a similar angle it attracts people who are sexually or immature when it comes to relationships. They have often been hurt in some way be it rejections or purely just over looked as viable candidates... and so on.

This isn't exclusive to NTR. Most porn writers go through this. Every single story is full of contrivances to get to the end goal of sex. People come for the porn in these games so actually developing the characters and their relationships ends up boring a large portion of the audience. You have people who do care about development but then you have people who just want to masturbate so the author is often forced to skim on details. Especially since money is usually involved in the development of these games. Since money is involved, the author is at the whim of their biggest paying audience usually to the detriment of the product. That's one thing I dislike about the current model of paying monthly for updates during game development. It puts the highest payers over integrity. Characters can be switched up between updates due to the audience's reaction to them.

If they just came for the porn there would be no need for NTR to start with NTR doesn't exist without a story. Same for any other story type. Corruption isn't something you can easily show with a slide show and no dialog. I can go through a entire list of genre on this debate. I hope you can as well knowing the fallacy of the argument. Truth is if they are just here for the porn they aren't the intended audience and should take a hike and go to a porn site. All they need is a slide show. If you came to a game site you are here for the story which is what makes the difference between a game and porn especially when it is an RPG or VN. Sure there are your games like games where you touch and solve puzzles and other crap that don't involve any story at all. But they aren't what we are talking about.

The fact is if the game is RPG, VN or even management in nature you have to expect the story and that is the point of those games. If not why bother making it just make a slide show or a puzzle game and move the hell on. If you want to create for an intended audience then act like you actually intend to serve that audience and fuck everyone who isn't a part of that audience.
The entire rest of the service, manufacturing, and retail industry in the world understands this concept. But only here in the adult industry are people too stupid as not to figure that shit out.

To be fair most creators tend to do something very shitty at the start, cause lack of experience, no prior planning or they literally suck at writing.

It isn't something about NTR or not, it's just how it is, many people just directly jump into developing a game without working a bit their skills or preparation, even worse when they start with a game that would need an expert on all aspects to actually end up as something good.

It's kind of the reason why most games end up abandoned or need some rework.

I'm saying it is more prevalent is all not that it doesn't go on other places.

Boring and predictable doesn't quantify a good writer, but thats what ntr storylines are. "ntr game" pigeon holes the project towards certain content that draws in that audience, since they have expectations from other ntr games and how the game is being portrayed as one.
No good writer is going to subject themselves to it preferring to make a normal game with some ntr elements in it.

It doesn't have to be though. Consider that there are many forms of NTR. Ever played a game were you stole a love interest from someone else as the MC. Most people don't even consider or realize that is NTR. Most people consider it only NTR if it happens to the player.

But lets look at a game from the player stand point:
You get a flat front right tire it causes your steering to pull sharp unexpectedly you hit the wall and come to a stop. You try cell phone but there are no bars were you are at. A passing car stops and offers to call you a toe when they get to their home at the next exit. The toe truck shows up pulls you to the nearby town. Still no cell service. They tell you they can fix your car it will take a few days at the local shop. You can even speed that up and get on your way if you don't want them to fully fix the fender and want to wait to do that when you get to your destination. But either way the tire needs to be replace and the damage to the front suspension needs to be done. It will save you a day or two not waiting on the fender. So its your choice.
You can spend the time you have there as you choose go site seeing, look at history, eat, rest... whatever and during that time you can start a relationship with various women. But you don't have to after all you have another destination. You can start one there with the women you encounter there. The NTR could come in various forms. Depending on the relationship you choose it could be one you experience or it could be one you cause someone else to experience. Either way you would have no idea as to what is coming until you went through it. In fact some routes would work out next to perfect for you but if you seen it from another view it could be very different. It could be even something you do with intent such as you choose to be an asshole and maybe isolate the female you have a relationship with from her family and friends. That close relationship she had is stripped away from her and the other person all because you chose to be an asshole.

Can games like that be made sure as hell can and it wouldn't be that hard.
The problem is no one wants to put that much effort into it.
I've seen more creative writing on the back of a cereal box.

 

[Joshua Tree]

I have a feeling most of these creators not exactly seasoned or battle scared when it come to what life have to offer... Amazing how your views and perception of life change after taken it on the chin a few times and maybe a kick or two to the gonads.

Majority of the creators of these adult games suck at story and characters in general, regardless of what fetish they bring to the table.

 

[Sesinho]

I have a feeling most of these creators not exactly seasoned or battle scared when it come to what life have to offer... Amazing how your views and perception of life change after taken it on the chin a few times and maybe a kick or two to the gonads.

Majority of the creators of these adult games suck at story and characters in general, regardless of what fetish they bring to the table.

Im not god and i dont know shit, but its true that very few games i played give me the feeling of being written by an adult. And then of course even if you are adult, if you are Russian and your translator sucks, it will be another matter.

And there may also be games that seem to be written by an adult, but maybe they dont have a good 3d artists and their visual storytelling sucks.
Its so hard to find really really good games.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Im not god and i know shit, but its true that very few games i played give me the feeling of being written by and adult. And then of course even if you are adult, and you are Russian and your translator sucks, it will be another matter.

And there may also be games that seem to be written by an adult, but maybe they dont have a good 3d artists adn his visual storytelling sucks.
Its so hard to find really really good games.

Thing is, if you have a good story and characters, the visual matter less. Or at least it does for me. Sure, great renders and visuals is nice, but without much context to it, it just turn into some random lewds you can spot anywhere on the internet.

 

[Diconica]

Im not god and i know shit, but its true that very few games i played give me the feeling of being written by and adult. And then of course even if you are adult, and you are Russian and your translator sucks, it will be another matter.

And there may also be games that seem to be written by an adult, but maybe they dont have a good 3d artists adn his visual storytelling sucks.
Its so hard to find really really good games.

I think Russia has a bigger issue facing it than just a language barrier. about 48% of people graduate the second school in Russia.
For those of you that don't know Russia has a 11 year school system vs US 12 year. Their secondary school ends at 9th grade.
Only problem is that isn't equivalent to the US or most EU school systems. Add to that the continued use of an antiquated method of teaching reliant on memorization rather than understanding from a base level. Then if you look at what they are taught at that point it would be like dropping out of the average 7th grade course here in the US.

Yet, Russia claims a 99.6+% of their people can read. Yea, to what level that standard is is anyone's guess.
I doubt most these Russian game developers are the one's who went on to further their education beyond that.

Contrary to those facts some how they have one of the better OECD ratings. Granted that's one organization I have little faith in their integrity.

That I can't much of anything bad about their upper education and universities. Most the people I have met that graduated from one have been on average more capable than US university graduates.

Anyway every country has good and bad schools and some more of one than the other.

 

[Carrera]

Most people have no clue what NTR is, they think it's equates to =just cheating= so now every kind of cheating is NTR. It's an old and tired argument and it always seems like it's the same 3 or 4 people explaining time and time again what it means and nobody ever learns.

It stands to reason that authors, like consumers, would fall into that as well.

Plus far to many people think making a porn game will lead to easy money and they have no fucking skill at flipping burgers much less writing so that doesn't help.

 

[Carrera]

I think Russia has a bigger issue facing it than just a language barrier. about 48% of people graduate the second school in Russia.
For those of you that don't know Russia has a 11 year school system vs US 12 year. Their secondary school ends at 9th grade.
Only problem is that isn't equivalent to the US or most EU school systems. Add to that the continued use of an antiquated method of teaching reliant on memorization rather than understanding from a base level. Then if you look at what they are taught at that point it would be like dropping out of the average 7th grade course here in the US.

Yet, Russia claims a 99.6+% of their people can read. Yea, to what level that standard is is anyone's guess.
I doubt most these Russian game developers are the one's who went on to further their education beyond that.

Contrary to those facts some how they have one of the better OECD ratings. Granted that's one organization I have little faith in their integrity.

That I can't much of anything bad about their upper education and universities. Most the people I have met that graduated from one have been on average more capable than US university graduates.

Anyway every country has good and bad schools and some more of one than the other.

U.S. college students are all about gender studies and critical race theory,,,, is it any surprise that a Russian who can barely read would still be more qualified.

 

[Uthuriel]

It's not the authors that are shitty at writing it's the genre itself....

You need shitty writing to make NTR happen in the first place....
Same with incest/harem games....

In 99.57% (I pulled that percentage out of my ass) of those games the story makes no sense if you use your brain for even a second.

 

[Lerd0]

cuz they be lazy.........

 

[Diconica]

It's not the authors that are shitty at writing it's the genre itself....

You need shitty writing to make NTR happen in the first place....
Same with incest/harem games....

In 99.57% (I pulled that percentage out of my ass) of those games the story makes no sense if you use your brain for even a second.

Makes no sense:
I agree the vast majority of NTR games make no sense. That's more a fault of the writer than anything.
There are many forms of NTR. There are forms of NTR that exist in RL that in the hole make little sense.
Take the guy who works all the time because he thinks he is providing for his family. But he fails to realize he isn't providing the most important thing he can him being there. They leave. He has no right to be upset. There were plenty of signs if he paid attention or cared or was even there he would have seen them. His lack of sense brought it about.
Then you have adults that run out leaving kids ... The child suffers an emotional loss as bad or worse than if the parent died. You can make every excuse in the world why that parent or both did so but none of it is going to change how the child going through the loss.

In most cases NTR is just another version of a tragedy.

Yes, there are forms that don't fit that. A good example would be the guy who likes seeing his wife cheat on him or whatever. Not sure I would call that an NTR but more an voyeur. It also doesn't fit the NTR part because there isn't always an emotional loss or the fact she may be doing something he wants or he the fact he cared so little about what they had he allowed or put her in such a spot.

The fact is a lot of crap that gets thrown in the title under NTR shouldn't really be considered NTR because it really doesn't fit.
Just because the partner is sleeping with someone other than the spouse or partner doesn't make it NTR. We don't consider swinging NTR. So something like the husband having a unhealthy voyeur fetish of his wife being fucked by other men should probably be put under voyeur even if she leaves him as a result of it.

So in the end the reason most NTRs don't make sense is because shitty writers and stuff being labeled NTR that should not be.
Other wise they should be looked at as nothing but a form of tragedy.

 

[Sesinho]

Makes no sense:
I agree the vast majority of NTR games make no sense. That's more a fault of the writer than anything.
There are many forms of NTR. There are forms of NTR that exist in RL that in the hole make little sense.
Take the guy who works all the time because he thinks he is providing for his family. But he fails to realize he isn't providing the most important thing he can him being there. They leave. He has no right to be upset. There were plenty of signs if he paid attention or cared or was even there he would have seen them. His lack of sense brought it about.
Then you have adults that run out leaving kids ... The child suffers an emotional loss as bad or worse than if the parent died. You can make every excuse in the world why that parent or both did so but none of it is going to change how the child going through the loss.

In most cases NTR is just another version of a tragedy.

Yes, there are forms that don't fit that. A good example would be the guy who likes seeing his wife cheat on him or whatever. Not sure I would call that an NTR but more an voyeur. It also doesn't fit the NTR part because there isn't always an emotional loss or the fact she may be doing something he wants or he the fact he cared so little about what they had he allowed or put her in such a spot.

The fact is a lot of crap that gets thrown in the title under NTR shouldn't really be considered NTR because it really doesn't fit.
Just because the partner is sleeping with someone other than the spouse or partner doesn't make it NTR. We don't consider swinging NTR. So something like the husband having a unhealthy voyeur fetish of his wife being fucked by other men should probably be put under voyeur even if she leaves him as a result of it.

So in the end the reason most NTRs don't make sense is because shitty writers and stuff being labeled NTR that should not be.
Other wise they should be looked at as nothing but a form of tragedy.

Its kind of a curse really. Vanilla games usually have staged and predictable sex scenes, many times boringly portrayed, and the only excitement comes from the sense of achievement. But many times the devs try to stretch it so much that every time you get something is a small step forward. In the end when you are getting something meaningful, it has lost most of its efect, and unless its a character who was been built quite well, and a story that feels natural it will feel fake and staged.

And then you have these "NTR" scenes, which i found that in many many games are just better than the vanilla ones those same games have. So, in my case, in order to escape this predictability, i had to seek refuge in NTR cause those scenes usually have some impredictability. And its funny cause there are games that specify in tags and somehow you know what you gonna find, but sometimes you see NTR and that could be anything.

You may even come across those games where the dev warns you "This game has unavoidable NTR, deal with it", but its more of a warning for someone who hates it blindly. And if you like NTR you will go and play that game with fire in your eyes only to find those scenes to be something really ridiculous, maybe not even sexual like some male random male npc catcalling a related or not female npc.

 

[Diconica]

Its kind of a curse really. Vanilla games usually have staged and predictable sex scenes, many times boringly portrayed, and the only excitement comes from the sense of achievement. But many times the devs try to stretch it so much that every time you get something is a small step forward. In the end when you are getting something meaningful, it has lost most of its efect, and unless its a character who was been built quite well, and a story that feels natural it will feel fake and staged.

And then you have these "NTR" scenes, which i found that in many many games are just better than the vanilla ones those same games have. So, in my case, in order to escape this predictability, i had to seek refuge in NTR cause those scenes usually have some impredictability. And its funny cause there are games that specify in tags and somehow you know what you gonna find, but sometimes you see NTR and that could be anything.

You may even come across those games where the dev warns you "This game has unavoidable NTR, deal with it", but its more of a warning for someone who hates it blindly. And if you like NTR you will go and play that game with fire in your eyes only to find those scenes to be something really ridiculous, maybe not even sexual like some male random male npc catcalling a related or not female npc.

Well there is a factor I didn't discuss in that last comment. Authors that also just add tags on to get people interested.
It's almost like the adult industry needs a rating system for content and so on.
It's isn't like someone couldn't create a site and start a system of that nature and then hand out a rating tag they provide from their site to developer. It would need to be done more legitimately. Not like you see so many ratings on this site were people just give it 4 or 5 stars because they like the image they would have to actually think about the story content and everything about the story.
You would also need to provide then a defined set of terms for developers to go by.

You could pretty much force developers to adhere to the standards pretty easily.
Put a rating of the game on the site that breaks down the issues. Do that for each game.
Pretty soon game developers will who scored good on your ratings will want your tag on their product.
After that well games without it will decline in sells in comparison. So more developers will want it.
You could charge for the rating or evaluation or not and just require a free copy of the product at that point to do the rating.
You could also charge for advertisement space on the site to pay to maintain the site.

Such a site would need to act legit and all the links would need to proper sell points for those games.

Just a thought.

 

[Dankwank]

I don't and can't really take NTR writing seriously. Of course most of it is written poorly. It's not just here. Even if you read manga, or watch real porn, the plots of NTR focused scenes are almost always deus sex machina with no soul. It's all garbage by cucks for cucks. No one should be surprised by how disappointing it is.

 

[Serupiko]

I mean, its not like most "vanilla" games have stellar writing. Most characters are just pick between nice but actually creepy dick MC or just creepy dick MC, you usually add a mom, hot, thicc, sexually repressed, thot mean sister (she loves you very much), pure young sister (she also loves you very much), you have your friend at school that will probably be a basic, tutorial girl, maybe a friend that will cause 0 issues because he no sex he just funny, and then the mean bitch, the nerd, the sporty one, and those can transcend to an office settings if you want an older MC that still thinks like a teen.

Imo goofy writing ends up being better in a lot of cases, but without excessive self-awareness, there is a point where 4th wall breaks are just cringey. Also a lot of situations are the same, walk into shower, walk into her masturbating, she walks into you masturbating, and then hot repressed mom falls to her urgers, bitchy sister is a bitch but wanks you, innocent sister is taught by you, yadda yadda

I dont really play NTR but mediocre storywriting is a staple. I dont expect everything to be Rance levels of worldbuilding, but some games are samey as fuck.

What matters the most to me is setting and the cast of characters, specially if they interact with each other and are not just in the MC bubble of influence. Also good renders and models help a lot, like another ultra thicc mom? I think we could do better than that. Another game where we go from school to an "adult" highschool to back home? Oh its fine, theres also like a shop for the obligatory sun-tan/massage lotion. Also fucking wimps with an arm sized dick? Really makes me wonder if a lot of people just are in for the pp

 

[desmosome]

I mean, its not like most "vanilla" games have stellar writing. Most characters are just pick between nice but actually creepy dick MC or just creepy dick MC, you usually add a mom, hot, thicc, sexually repressed, thot mean sister (she loves you very much), pure young sister (she also loves you very much), you have your friend at school that will probably be a basic, tutorial girl, maybe a friend that will cause 0 issues because he no sex he just funny, and then the mean bitch, the nerd, the sporty one, and those can transcend to an office settings if you want an older MC that still thinks like a teen.

Imo goofy writing ends up being better in a lot of cases, but without excessive self-awareness, there is a point where 4th wall breaks are just cringey. Also a lot of situations are the same, walk into shower, walk into her masturbating, she walks into you masturbating, and then hot repressed mom falls to her urgers, bitchy sister is a bitch but wanks you, innocent sister is taught by you, yadda yadda

I dont really play NTR but mediocre storywriting is a staple. I dont expect everything to be Rance levels of worldbuilding, but some games are samey as fuck.

What matters the most to me is setting and the cast of characters, specially if they interact with each other and are not just in the MC bubble of influence. Also good renders and models help a lot, like another ultra thicc mom? I think we could do better than that. Another game where we go from school to an "adult" highschool to back home? Oh its fine, theres also like a shop for the obligatory sun-tan/massage lotion. Also fucking wimps with an arm sized dick? Really makes me wonder if a lot of people just are in for the pp

I see you've been around the block eh?

 

[Diconica]

I mean, its not like most "vanilla" games have stellar writing. Most characters are just pick between nice but actually creepy dick MC or just creepy dick MC, you usually add a mom, hot, thicc, sexually repressed, thot mean sister (she loves you very much), pure young sister (she also loves you very much), you have your friend at school that will probably be a basic, tutorial girl, maybe a friend that will cause 0 issues because he no sex he just funny, and then the mean bitch, the nerd, the sporty one, and those can transcend to an office settings if you want an older MC that still thinks like a teen.

Imo goofy writing ends up being better in a lot of cases, but without excessive self-awareness, there is a point where 4th wall breaks are just cringey. Also a lot of situations are the same, walk into shower, walk into her masturbating, she walks into you masturbating, and then hot repressed mom falls to her urgers, bitchy sister is a bitch but wanks you, innocent sister is taught by you, yadda yadda

I dont really play NTR but mediocre storywriting is a staple. I dont expect everything to be Rance levels of worldbuilding, but some games are samey as fuck.

What matters the most to me is setting and the cast of characters, specially if they interact with each other and are not just in the MC bubble of influence. Also good renders and models help a lot, like another ultra thicc mom? I think we could do better than that. Another game where we go from school to an "adult" highschool to back home? Oh its fine, theres also like a shop for the obligatory sun-tan/massage lotion. Also fucking wimps with an arm sized dick? Really makes me wonder if a lot of people just are in for the pp

I don't think there is anyone giving any sort of praise to the average porn game on this post. Most are bad some are really bad. But it seems like NTR authors take the issue to an entire different level of setting the bar low.

 

[Serupiko]

I see you've been around the block eh?

And I avoided going off tangent with harem games and the handjob-blowjob-vaginal progression. Im afraid I ranted too much still

I don't think there is anyone giving any sort of praise to the average porn game on this post. Most are bad some are really bad. But it seems like NTR authors take the issue to an entire different level of setting the bar low.

I didnt say that in answer to praise, more like "porn games have become very stale and bad writing is the common denominator", plus its not like in other media is different, most plots are either awkward or forced af

 

[Asia Argento]

Thats, just like, your opinion man.gif

 

[Diconica]

And I avoided going off tangent with harem games and the handjob-blowjob-vaginal progression. Im afraid I ranted too much still

I didnt say that in answer to praise, more like "porn games have become very stale and bad writing is the common denominator", plus its not like in other media is different, most plots are either awkward or forced af

I understood the point of the post was that the percentage of bad is even higher in NTR.

Example: well use this as a base to compare by
https://f95zone.to/latest/#/cat=games/page=1/prefixes=18/nofixes=1,4,5,6,8,12,17,19,23,47
Yes, I realize that doesn't include all games. But I wanted to limit the content so we can have a more stable comparison with stuff showing up that should not be counted.
count 4060

Of that list this many claim to have NTR
https://f95zone.to/latest/#/cat=games/page=1/tags=258/prefixes=18/nofixes=1,4,5,6,8,12,17,19,23,47

Unfortunately the site doesn't have a negative check system for stuff like NTR and other tags so we can't just look at the list without it. You would need to go through manually we can however subtract the numbers.
258 NTR
4060 - 259 = 3802
Of the 3802 I found about 452 that were passable with no huge glaring plot holes and relatively decent writing. About 11.9%
of the 258 I found 10. That's roughly 3.9%

A lot of games on both lists I didn't even have to play to tell how bad they were. Some times the images of the game showed enough issues without even downloading the game.
Some games the quality was apparent from the images and even how bad the writing was.
MTL games. Its sad when there MTL games that made my list of good playable and readable games when others that were written by someone in their native language didn't make the cut.
Same with human translated games. I haven't looked, but I would bet they tend to do better than NTR games percent wise also. I say that because the game was good enough to inspire someone to put the effort in to translate it.
As some of you probably figured out by this point I haven't played all the games on this site. Well here is what you can take from that. That percent from the 258 isn't going up. I have gone through that lot. I've gone through about 1200 or some of the standard games. So there could or probably will be some increase in the normal games as I go through them but unless some new NTR games make it on here that are worth a shit that isn't increasing.


Granted that equates in my book that 88% of porn games are shit and 96% of NTR games are shit. That's not a great deal of difference but it does make a difference. That 88% is probably going to go down the 96% is less likely to change much unless a lot better games are released.

It doesn't take a lot to please me. No massive plot holes that kill the game. Basic Character development. Doesn't have to be any real in-depth back stories or anything else. Introduce the character in a basic manor let us get to know them maybe the type of work they, do or don't do. Their general personality are they easy going, strict ... maybe education. Just something that gives a little peak into the relative aspects of what is going to effect the game. Some times less is better. If you present the character as being smart and then entirely through the story the character talks like they haven't got a clue about shit and can't solve problems and miss out on real world solutions that anyone would get in RL then you fucked up. That's a huge plot hole when a character doesn't act the way they should. It's shit you should have learned between 5th and 8th grade.

 

[WIRProductions]

I am not expecting to have some kind of existential awakening with the plot of a porn game. Honestly, just like beauty, 'great writing' is in the eye of the beholder. I simply grade it as does it keep my interest, or am I bored? Anything else is a bonus. Give me a plot that makes sense, with character interactions that make sense, and everything is fine.

NTR games are not my cup of tea, but I would guess that if their scripts are bad then it is just a problem with porn game scripts for a lot of games. They build the story around the mechanics instead of the mechanics around the story. Only so much can be done to make a female character get fucked if they are stuck with one of those long, drawn out corruption mechanics that pad the story. The makers force themselves into corners.