Why do so many NTR authors suck at writing?

[Uthuriel]

In NTR there are 2 categories, the ones made for you to fill all the missing info and allow you an easy fap, and the ones that have buildup like DmD or a Family venture and others I dont remember that have story.
So I think the discussion is about the first type, those that usually named "my wife whatever" or japanese titled like "I was living in a farm in ontario and my girlfriend was NTRed uring the night: Cosplay edition.

DMD at least allows you to disable it. I told Martin to fuck off and he was never seen again. Never played Family venture.

The Japanese ones are the ones where the stories are the most nonsensical.

A few weeks ago there was one where a man couldn't have children with his wife and his solution was to let his brother fuck his wife. Mind you he wasn't disabled or couldn't get it up, no he just was infertile.
The obvious solution would be to adopt or get an artificial insemination done in a hospital.
Not an option though... better let his brother rail his wife.
And that's just plain retarded³.

 

[Sesinho]

DMD at least allows you to disable it. I told Martin to fuck off and he was never seen again. Never played Family venture.

The Japanese ones are the ones where the stories are the most nonsensical.

A few weeks ago there was one where a man couldn't have children with his wife and his solution was to let his brother fuck his wife. Mind you he wasn't disabled or couldn't get it up, no he just was infertile.
The obvious solution would be to adopt or get an artificial insemination done in a hospital.
Not an option though... better let his brother rail his wife.
And that's just plain retarded³.

Retarded, but well, kinks are kinks, and the excuses to insert them 90% of the time will be ridiculous. If you liked NTR and you played that game you mentioned, you would delete the game if the wife doesnt become a prostitute. Your deviant peepee wouldn even activate without that happening.

 

[Uthuriel]

Retarded, but well, kinks are kinks, and the excuses to insert them 90% of the time will be ridiculous. If you liked NTR and you played that game you mentioned, you would delete the game if the wife doesnt become a prostitute. Your deviant peepee wouldn even activate without that happening.

True. I still find it funny though...

 

[Trickstar]

Why even only specifically talk about ntr games here though? Pretty much all porn games have a dogshit story. NTR more often than not does use unrealistic and stupid characters but there are far worse offenders of this like harems, blackmail, incest, etc.

The point of porn fiction is to have unrealistic scenarios so people can enjoy fantasies and fap, not try to make you rethink your life and human existence lmao.

 

[Uthuriel]

The point of porn fiction is to have unrealistic scenarios so people can enjoy fantasies and fap, not try to make you rethink your life and human existence lmao.

That's only surface level true.
If I just want to fap I go to a porn site. A porn game, especially an AVN has to offer much more than just pretty renders.

 

[desmosome]

That's only surface level true.
If I just want to fap I go to a porn site. A porn game, especially an AVN has to offer much more than just pretty renders.

What did Parental Love and MNF offer you? The feeling of being loved by imaginary loli daughters and sisters? Is this really something you find pride in that you would place yourself above people beating their meat to some bullshit NTR story? At the end of the day, everyone on this site is looking for porn.

 

[Uthuriel]

Is this really something you find pride in that you would place yourself above people beating their meat to some bullshit NTR story?

 

[Deleted member 3736450]

In summery this... NTR demands a nonsensical story to work.
IRL hardly any NTR storyline would work.

IRL: Boss fucks your wife and you catch them? --> Wouldn't end well for them.
NTR: Boss fucks your wife and you catch them? --> Oh no, there is nothing I can do... and/or OMG why is my small peepee getting so hard...

You have to dial the suspension of disbelieve to over 99999999999999.

Yeah I totally agree with this. I could take the time to write an extensive backstory with loads of rationale as to why the husband/boyfriend would want to be humiliated and/or get turned on with his wife fucking another man. Sometimes kinks just happen to exist and then you find a partner who also enjoys the same kink.

 

[Deleted member 3736450]

If the guy supposedly likes his wife cheating that isn't NTR to me. If he is enabling her or any of this other stupid shit people write again not NTR.
Real NTR is about that helpless feeling of not being able to prevent it.

How would you differentiate NTR from humiliation? (with regards to the the helpless feeling to prevent it and the wife in this case is rubbing it in her's partner's face)? Also, would you classify a guy purely liking his wife cheating as a cuckold fetish (or voyeurism) and not NTR?

 

[Deleted member 3736450]

Why even only specifically talk about ntr games here though? Pretty much all porn games have a dogshit story. NTR more often than not does use unrealistic and stupid characters but there are far worse offenders of this like harems, blackmail, incest, etc.

The point of porn fiction is to have unrealistic scenarios so people can enjoy fantasies and fap, not try to make you rethink your life and human existence lmao.

100% agree

 

[Diconica]

In summery this... NTR demands a nonsensical story to work.
IRL hardly any NTR storyline would work.

IRL: Boss fucks your wife and you catch them? --> Wouldn't end well for them.
NTR: Boss fucks your wife and you catch them? --> Oh no, there is nothing I can do... and/or OMG why is my small peepee getting so hard...

You have to dial the suspension of disbelieve to over 99999999999999.

Sort of in RL the odds of this coming about are very small. It requires so many things going wrong that the odds of it happening are very small. That said there are 7 billion people on earth so maybe 0.001 % of them or less might find them in such a position.

That said it isn't that hard to come up with scenarios in which it could happen. Those that can't have no real understanding of what it takes or no imagination. Which is probably why so many resort to trying to use blackmail and other cheap methods to create the scenario or worse try to make the person ok with it or even like it or even beyond that.

The other aspect is that no situation is going to lead to a person permanently accepting the fate of real NTR. They are going to rebel against it at some point even the person with the weakest constitution on earth is going to become hardened from enduring it and lash out eventually or try and simply escape in whatever manor that is.

We could break it down into components. You need a situation in which the person can't easily leave. It helps if they have something they want to protect to keep them there.

The situation can be created in a number of ways. It could be physical limitations, economical, it could be cultural, legal, ...
Examples:
1. Consequences of past criminal life. Such as in my prior post. Doesn't even need to be criminal necessarily just bad choices or choices not accepted by others.
2. They could be a lower ranking member of a vampire coven, that can give you multiple reasons why they don't rebel. They would need to survive on their own, if they take action against those who are doing it it could lead to having a lot more powerful beings pissed off at you...
3. They could be serf in the middle ages, they can't simply get up and leave. If they do the entire family can be punished for their actions, they can't take actions openly for the same reason...
4. They are stuck on an island, or any other area that is isolated and hard to leave. If you were at an oasis surrounded by desert to large to walk across it would be as effective. Especially if here was no other means of transportation other than walking.
5. If you are in a walled city surrounded by monsters ...
6. If you are in a state such as that in the book of 1984 were you are continually monitored again it would be hard to do anything.
7. You could be a member of a criminal organization that keeps tight control on the members. Or any other organization that needs secrecy and security to a large extent be it military, spy, some corporation that trades stocks and uses illegal means to get info to hold the upper hand...
This list can be expanded a lot.

Something to protect:
Their own life, family, children, wealth, a business of the family, ancestral land... Hell it could be pretty much anything if there is some sort of value placed on it.

Those are fairly loose listings above. You could define each of those much more and should in writing a story.
Considering I came up with the primary basis for that many means of creating the situation it shows the people writing the current games have put shit for effort into it at all. Most just look at other games and cookie cutter the shit out of what they see others do.

Given that list above. If we take it and add in a detail system for coming up with places, locations, names, ages... and so on. We could write a script that could generate better scenarios than 99% of the current games out there.
None of those above require any form of blackmail to be used. All of them simply rely on the consequences of acting against the situation as a deterrent.

 

[Diconica]

How would you differentiate NTR from humiliation? (with regards to the the helpless feeling to prevent it and the wife in this case is rubbing it in her's partner's face)? Also, would you classify a guy purely liking his wife cheating as a cuckold fetish (or voyeurism) and not NTR?

Cuckold is your wife being unfaithful. If you aid or promote it in anyway you can't say you are being cuckold in any manor other than religious. Even there that is limited.
If you allow something to continue you are effectively condoning it or even aiding it. You can find this concept in most of the world legal code both for criminal and civil cases and pretty much all the religions of the world and even literature and philosophy.
"All it takes for evil to prevail is good men to do nothing." There is a secondary to that though. "You can't call yourself good when you stand by and watch evil run its course."
Take civil law, if you let your neighbor keep mowing part of your law that boarders his land or up keep it without some sort of legal binding agreement between you, they can use that to go to court and say they maintained the land for whatever length of time thus the land becomes theirs.
Also civil and criminal laws that are not maintained and upheld become defunct over time.
If you leave your keys in your car and someone drives off with it, it can often result in the person getting out of stealing your car as a crime.
If a person keeps coming in your business each day takes a soda and you do nothing to stop them and one day you are sick of it and call the cops. Guess what you should have done that the first time. Now you created a pattern which the person can under law say they expected this to be the normal you allowed it to go on.

Humiliation:
Anyone that is cuckold feels humiliation to some point. They tend to feel a range of emotions including helplessness and anger.
Those emotions are going to change over time as they process it. Blaming themselves, blaming the other person, depression, helplessness, humiliation, anger ...

The point is there is no need to separate it just understand how it works. Do your research and actually learn how people deal with shit. It makes for better characters a that are more believable and can be understood. That makes the story a lot better.

A guy who likes his wife cheating:
If he likes it is it actually cheating or is it role play or voyeurism.
That depends.
Lets say he found out and never told her he knows. She thinks she is cheating on him. She might actually even leave him at some point. That would be more voyeurism.
But what if he tells her? They are both happy with the situation then you can't really say it is cheating.
Maybe he tells her he caught her and she simply doesn't care and throws it in his face. She could even leave him for another guy at some point. Well then its a mixed bag.
All of those situations could be taken differently. However, if the guy likes it as you stated he's not really feeling those feelings of being hopeless or humiliated or anger... So that wouldn't be cuckold or NTR regardless

You could still turn it into NTR if you start off with him having no choice and comes to liking it because of the choices he makes.
Lets pretend he plots his revenge against his wife and the person she is with. Maybe, there is even more than one person. So he starts secretly filming her and while editing the films he is forced to watch them. He starts liking it over time. He no longer loves her she is the target for his hatred. Well then you had a situation that started as NTR and became voyeurism.

By recognizing what each part actually is and dealing with the emotions and so on correctly you can incorporate legitimately. Most these games don't do anything of the sort. The biggest part that makes NTR or cuckold what they are is the mental aspect of it.

 

[Diconica]

Why even only specifically talk about ntr games here though? Pretty much all porn games have a dogshit story. NTR more often than not does use unrealistic and stupid characters but there are far worse offenders of this like harems, blackmail, incest, etc.

The point of porn fiction is to have unrealistic scenarios so people can enjoy fantasies and fap, not try to make you rethink your life and human existence lmao.

I disagree with this, "The point of porn fiction is to have unrealistic scenarios so people can enjoy fantasies and fap".

If the viewer or reader only wanted to Fap they have options:
If you want to fap going to a porn site would be faster. Or even just reading h-comics or image sites.
The two primary reasons games exist is game play and story line. Otherwise all we need is an image viewer.
Hell an image viewer would even work fine for a lot of stories. You could have the dialog simply appear at the bottom.

I mean if all you do when you play a game with a story is click through never reading the story you are a moron.
You could just go to the image directory and run an image viewer million times simpler and easier.
Most the games even with the images stored in special files can be extracted.

Since all the adult games aren't simply image viewers we can discern that your hypothesis above is false.
The reason for shitty stories in adult content is has to do with the lack of skill and education in the developers and authors nothing more. Most of these people are low income earners trying to find a way to make a living greater than whatever it is they currently make. The number of people that are actually skilled and are doing it because this is what they see as a fast way to wealth are relatively small in comparison.
You also have a lot of people with low motivation. It shows in other aspects besides the poor quality such as the number of games never completed.

 

[Sesinho]

I always say that to watch poorly represented cartoonish female anatomy of random 3d females, I prefer to turn on VR headset and going to any camsite.
But if those images have decent story telling backing them, searching for 2 hours until my prefered models drop their panties doesn't seem that good anymore.

 

[Diconica]

I always say that to watch poorly represented cartoonish female anatomy of random 3d females, I prefer to turn on VR headset and going to any camsite.
But if those images have decent story telling backing them, searching for 2 hours until my prefered models drop their panties doesn't seem that good anymore.

I have good news for your.
That 2 hour search isn't necessary. Down the road it really won't be needed even more so.
There are number of videos hitting the web that deep fake has been used to create. Deep fake is something you can use as well.
What it does use images or video of one person and maps them over another person in video.
The cool part is it can be done live stream with the right hardware. So you keep a few videos of your favorite model her running her mouth and use her to replace a different actor.

Honestly, I suspect this technology is going to end the carreers of a lot of people down the road. Why pay them when you can fake them. Talking film, TV, News, adult, talk shows ...

In 1981 the movie "Looker" even brought up the idea. That was before this technology even existed.

 

[Deleted member 3736450]

Cuckold is your wife being unfaithful. If you aid or promote it in anyway you can't say you are being cuckold in any manor other than religious. Even there that is limited.
If you allow something to continue you are effectively condoning it or even aiding it. You can find this concept in most of the world legal code both for criminal and civil cases and pretty much all the religions of the world and even literature and philosophy.
"All it takes for evil to prevail is good men to do nothing." There is a secondary to that though. "You can't call yourself good when you stand by and watch evil run its course."
Take civil law, if you let your neighbor keep mowing part of your law that boarders his land or up keep it without some sort of legal binding agreement between you, they can use that to go to court and say they maintained the land for whatever length of time thus the land becomes theirs.
Also civil and criminal laws that are not maintained and upheld become defunct over time.
If you leave your keys in your car and someone drives off with it, it can often result in the person getting out of stealing your car as a crime.
If a person keeps coming in your business each day takes a soda and you do nothing to stop them and one day you are sick of it and call the cops. Guess what you should have done that the first time. Now you created a pattern which the person can under law say they expected this to be the normal you allowed it to go on.

Humiliation:
Anyone that is cuckold feels humiliation to some point. They tend to feel a range of emotions including helplessness and anger.
Those emotions are going to change over time as they process it. Blaming themselves, blaming the other person, depression, helplessness, humiliation, anger ...

The point is there is no need to separate it just understand how it works. Do your research and actually learn how people deal with shit. It makes for better characters a that are more believable and can be understood. That makes the story a lot better.

A guy who likes his wife cheating:
If he likes it is it actually cheating or is it role play or voyeurism.
That depends.
Lets say he found out and never told her he knows. She thinks she is cheating on him. She might actually even leave him at some point. That would be more voyeurism.
But what if he tells her? They are both happy with the situation then you can't really say it is cheating.
Maybe he tells her he caught her and she simply doesn't care and throws it in his face. She could even leave him for another guy at some point. Well then its a mixed bag.
All of those situations could be taken differently. However, if the guy likes it as you stated he's not really feeling those feelings of being hopeless or humiliated or anger... So that wouldn't be cuckold or NTR regardless

You could still turn it into NTR if you start off with him having no choice and comes to liking it because of the choices he makes.
Lets pretend he plots his revenge against his wife and the person she is with. Maybe, there is even more than one person. So he starts secretly filming her and while editing the films he is forced to watch them. He starts liking it over time. He no longer loves her she is the target for his hatred. Well then you had a situation that started as NTR and became voyeurism.

By recognizing what each part actually is and dealing with the emotions and so on correctly you can incorporate legitimately. Most these games don't do anything of the sort. The biggest part that makes NTR or cuckold what they are is the mental aspect of it.

Thanks for the clarification. This is me doing my research I think I will be going with the NTR that becomes voyeurism angle in my current and future games. Thanks!

 

[Deleted member 3736450]

I disagree with this, "The point of porn fiction is to have unrealistic scenarios so people can enjoy fantasies and fap".

If the viewer or reader only wanted to Fap they have options:
If you want to fap going to a porn site would be faster. Or even just reading h-comics or image sites.
The two primary reasons games exist is game play and story line. Otherwise all we need is an image viewer.
Hell an image viewer would even work fine for a lot of stories. You could have the dialog simply appear at the bottom.

I mean if all you do when you play a game with a story is click through never reading the story you are a moron.
You could just go to the image directory and run an image viewer million times simpler and easier.
Most the games even with the images stored in special files can be extracted.

Since all the adult games aren't simply image viewers we can discern that your hypothesis above is false.
The reason for shitty stories in adult content is has to do with the lack of skill and education in the developers and authors nothing more. Most of these people are low income earners trying to find a way to make a living greater than whatever it is they currently make. The number of people that are actually skilled and are doing it because this is what they see as a fast way to wealth are relatively small in comparison.
You also have a lot of people with low motivation. It shows in other aspects besides the poor quality such as the number of games never completed.

My reason my game may not be to a certain standard is I have a regular, full time job (post-grad education), and I made the game purely in my spare time. I don't plan on ever monetizing my game and just created it for fun. I would say my skill set is low purely based on experience writing erotica which hopefully will grow overtime.

I think one thing to put out there to all critics of the genre is that I and many other developers tried our best to share something that we thought others might enjoy

 

[Diconica]

My reason my game may not be to a certain standard is I have a regular, full time job (post-grad education), and I made the game purely in my spare time. I don't plan on ever monetizing my game and just created it for fun. I would say my skill set is low purely based on experience writing erotica which hopefully will grow overtime.

I think one thing to put out there to all critics of the genre is that I and many other developers tried our best to share something that we thought others might enjoy

There are developers who try their best but there are a lot more that simply use cookie cutter tactics to try and capitalize on making money.
Not sure what game you made so not sure it even fits in the category of bad. Often people tend to be their own worst critics. Mostly true for good authors. Bad authors on the other hand tend to never realize how crappy they are.
That makes sense though if you think about it. How many times have you heard the moron in the room think they are the smarter person. The actual smart person tends to realize how little they know in the scheme of things.

 

[Sieglinnde]

 

[Diconica]

I guess my biggest complaint when it comes to NTR on this site is you can't ever really tell what type of NTR is contained in the game because it doesn't distinguish between the various terms it is used for.

Playing the game to find out what is in it just sucks. 9 times out of 10 its a complete disappointment.

There is another point to be made in regards to this. The other forms using NTR tag we already have tags for like sharing, voyeur, and so on.
So they really should just stick to those tags.

Netori doesn't really even need a tag. You could have it as stealing or cucking. Most the adult games have it especially harem games you steal other people women all the time.
Netorase should be stuck under other tags that are more descriptive.
If the protagonist likes watching stick it under voyeur and leave the NTR tag the hell off.
If the protagonist likes to share put it under sharing and leave the NTR tag the hell off.

If the protagonist is going to loose the person, either does or doesn't know it and has no control over the situation then ends up feeling cucked or stabbed in the back and ... The its NTR