Why do some people simply hate NTR?

[tanstaafl]

I think some of you need a reality check on the haters thing and staying within your own bubble, this applies to a lot of fetishes in general. Incest seems so vanilla on this site, but a lot of people would look at you in disgust if you said you play a game where you bang your hot mom.

Imagine telling someone you like NTR, then they ask what it is, then saying you like playing games where your cucked.

Incest has gone main stream. I.E. What are you doing step-bro? is so main stream that it is given as a joke without context on talk shows now. And believe me, the only reason the word "step" was included in that is because credit card payors wouldn't pay out if it wasn't included. It's still frowned upon in main stream society, but now more a joke than the atrocity it used to be seen as.

As for NTR, nobody admits to liking it in public without repercussions. No one wants to be seen as a cuck. Being a cuck is worse than getting your ass kicked by a 12 year old girl as a pro boxer. NTR lovers are public as hell about it here, but I garauntee you that the vast majority of them do not brag about it where they aren't wrapped in their private online personas. Hell, that idiot Sneako publicly admitted that he watched his girl get railed one time and it's followed him since...it ruined him.

It was literally everywhere...

 

[NTR unavoidable!]

No one wants to be seen as a cuck. Being a cuck is worse than getting your ass kicked by a 12 year old girl as a pro boxer. NTR lovers are public as hell about it here, but I garauntee you that the vast majority of them do not brag about it where they aren't wrapped in their private online personas.

Why even discuss your fetishes irl unless it's with your partner? Besides sex positions, random people outside shouldn't really talk about their kinks nor care about what gets you off.

You keep that to yourself and your partner. It's different here when you are not looking someone in the eyes obviously but irl I wouldn't want someone to say it to my face no matter how "vanilla" it is.

 

[tanstaafl]

Why even discuss your fetishes irl unless it's with your partner? Besides sex positions, random people outside shouldn't really talk about their kinks nor care about what gets you off.

You keep that to yourself and your partner. It's different here when you are not looking someone in the eyes obviously but irl I wouldn't want someone to say it to my face no matter how "vanilla" it is.

Guys talk, they brag or just bullshit, etc. You have friends?

 

[NTR unavoidable!]

Guys talk, they brag or just bullshit, etc. You have friends?

Yup and beyond sex positions (like I mentioned) I never talked about sex in such details. It's one to say "I slept with x and love missionary' and the other to get into details and explore it like here.

 

[Quiet Monkey]

Is it better or worse than that one guy who tried to tell me futas should never be takers?

It's complicated, some people are too stupid to live in society, it's very complicated.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

Sorry, my bad, it's just that I needed to question and make sure what drives the hatred of the whole poor genre.

This is one big one

But the one explanation I've found most concurrent is that those that hate it self insert as the main character being cucked thus they feel what that character feels. Whereas those that don't don't self identify as that character and treat it like a story they are reading with characters external to themselves.

People who are imagining a gf don't want to then imagine her away again.

Full reasons figured out to date (no particular order)


1) Its my fantasy and that shouldn't be part of it
2) Some corners of the net think its a conspiracy to turn men weak
3) Cuck hating - makes someones own weird kink seem ok cos they are 'at least not a cuck'
4) NTR isn't self explanatory so everyone who hates it generally ran face on into it before learning to avoid (unlike some of the more obvious tags people know to avoid)
5) its too close to real, many fantasies are over the top, this one is very easy to understand (if haven't already been cheated on before its not hard to imagine)
6) insecurities being projected onto others to prove 'im a real man, im not gay' etc.

 

[Jaike]

Yeah, I'm gonna be honest, I usually follow the sunflowers logic even if I disagree, but not here. Even Count Morado's 22000 example doesn't hold water because there are other factors in play. (Note, I did not comment on it earlier due to an extreme lack of sleep, and I assumed I was reading it wrong.)

Using myself as an example. Player wants to play a wholesome futa game. Two tags (futa protag and romance), and that 20000 other games drops to a mere 79 (will be 80 on the 10th ). However, my game also has the swinging tag, which obviously some would want to avoid. But because the game has it, they should skip over it completely instead of going into the thread and just asking about it? They'd never find out the it's not MC doing the swinging. Game is right up their alley with what they want, but they'd never know if they followed Count's advice.

Yeah I didn't bother to get into the numbers game, but it's clearly pretty subjective what factors are important to a player and an abstract argument just bypasses all that. Like, I looked through the of the results of your 2 tag filters, and even though those 2 tags are fine with me, hell I wouldn't touch the Futanari Mother games or The Donk Date with a sarisa. Not even gonna bother with "avoidable" questions.

Uh, thanks for the longwinded explanation -- but it still changes nothing of my argument. And you are fully aware you are presenting examples that are the very very very rare minority. That's not even pedantic, it's worse.

If it bothers a person, if they don't want to see it, etc... if they want to avoid it as a consequence, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

Just don't play it.

No one has to play everything.
Everything is not made for everyone.
Less than 10% of all the games here have netorare tag.
Even fewer within that 10% have optional/avoidable netorare.
That leaves vastly over 90% - if not closer to 95% or higher ... well over 20,000 games on this site... that someone never has to see netorare at all.

Holy fucking shit, players who do not like something or want to avoid something or the consequences of your actions in a game - You're not entitled to play everything on here. There are thousands of games to choose from to keep you busy - choose better.

You don't have to agree with me. I'm not asking you to.

But you are missing the point of my argument and talking around it to make it the point of your argument.

This continues to be the problem with people who wish to argue with me on this - even after I plainly stated what my argument is -- several times, including the post you are replying to.

The argument isn't about the person actually asking.

This is my argument - Not everything is made for everyone.

And the primary reason why people go into threads of games that have tags which they are in opposition to say "if XYZ wasn't in the game, I'd play it" or "Is XYZ avoidable?" or "Is XYZ optional" or "Don't play this shitty game because there is XYZ in it" is because those people feel they are entitled to every single game on this site. Period. The end.

The primary reason. Is it everyone's reason? No. It is not. So I don't need to have someone explain to me that there may be people in a lost are of Botswana which may want to ask because of some tribal religious experience.

It is that entitlement that "everything should be made for me" that is the primary motivation for such actions.

And as I stated in the post you replied to:
The level of entitlement and obsession and, yes, possible addiction should be a warning to someone not a motivation.

I don't know how I can be more clear and handhold through the entire process.

If you don't get it
If you don't agree
Fine - but why are we beating this dead horse? (Don't answer that - it's rhetorical)

I don't think my post was more longwinded or pedantic than yours, but okay. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Your "core argument", or principle, is more than fine to me. But if you link it to the askers' assumed preferences, you make it about them too. And you said what they should do if it "bothers" or "offends" them or they "don't want to see" it, while the fact is we don't know how much of what is too much for any random individual who asks and this is obviously very contextual and subjective and a crucial premiss. And while I agree the 2 examples I gave are minorities in the larger NTR and not-NTR groups, this proves less than you think.

Tagging here works to warn people about any content that fits the site definition, so the presence of 1 tag is pretty crude. Just think about prpa's list, like LLtP. And tagging is often contested here too and mistagging happens, so if there's only a tag, no older relevant questions yet and the asker doesn't want any hint of an NTR arc completely removed, or replace that with any other content, it's okay to ask. Some devs might even like that.

And the primary reason why people go into threads of games that have tags which they are in opposition to say "if XYZ wasn't in the game, I'd play it" or "Is XYZ avoidable?" or "Is XYZ optional" or "Don't play this shitty game because there is XYZ in it" is because those people feel they are entitled to every single game on this site. Period. The end.

Thanks for making your assumption explicit here. I don't think asking if something's avoidable or optional is on the level of whiny wishing or direct kinkshaming unrecommendations. It also makes explicit that you project "pressurers'" motives on any "avoidable" askers, something I did suspect you assumed. I think that's a wrong assumption but I'll only elaborate if anyone asks.

BUT, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AS THE DEVELOPER OF YOUR GAME.

THIS IS ABOUT THE ENTITLEMENT THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE THAT THEY THINK EVERYTHING IS MADE FOR THEM AND HOW DARE A DEVELOPER INCLUDE SOMETHING THEY DO NOT LIKE.

Okay, the argument's not about a dev's personal experience for you, but I'd say it obviously is relevant to an involved dev on this site because if people followed your advice here to the letter it'd obviously impact devs like Insomnimaniac Games. It still discourages people to .

Other than that I agree people should read, think and search first, and probably ask in more aware and creative ways, but there are better and worse answers too. And the best answer of course is to use lists and recommendation topics.

This continues to be the problem with people who wish to argue with me on this - even after I plainly stated what my argument is -- several times, including the post you are replying to.

Worst of all, it isn't avoidable.

I didn't change your argument tho.

 

[Count Morado]

Yeah I didn't bother to get into the numbers game, but it's clearly pretty subjective what factors are important to a player and an abstract argument just bypasses all that. Like, I looked through the of the results of your 2 tag filters, and even though those 2 tags are fine with me, hell I wouldn't touch the Futanari Mother games or The Donk Date with a sarisa. Not even gonna bother with "avoidable" questions.



I don't think my post was more longwinded or pedantic than yours, but okay. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Your "core argument", or principle, is more than fine to me. But if you link it to the askers' assumed preferences, you make it about them too. And you said what they should do if it "bothers" or "offends" them or they "don't want to see" it, while the fact is we don't know how much of what is too much for any random individual who asks and this is obviously very contextual and subjective and a crucial premiss. And while I agree the 2 examples I gave are minorities in the larger NTR and not-NTR groups, this proves less than you think.

Tagging here works to warn people about any content that fits the site definition, so the presence of 1 tag is pretty crude. Just think about prpa's list, like LLtP. And tagging is often contested here too and mistagging happens, so if there's only a tag, no older relevant questions yet and the asker doesn't want any hint of an NTR arc completely removed, or replace that with any other content, it's okay to ask. Some devs might even like that.


Thanks for making your assumption explicit here. I don't think asking if something's avoidable or optional is on the level of whiny wishing or direct kinkshaming unrecommendations. It also makes explicit that you project "pressurers'" motives on any "avoidable" askers, something I did suspect you assumed. I think that's a wrong assumption but I'll only elaborate if anyone asks.


Okay, the argument's not about a dev's personal experience for you, but I'd say it obviously is relevant to an involved dev on this site because if people followed your advice here to the letter it'd obviously impact devs like Insomnimaniac Games. It still discourages people to .

Other than that I agree people should read, think and search first, and probably ask in more aware and creative ways, but there are better and worse answers too. And the best answer of course is to use lists and recommendation topics.


Worst of all, it isn't avoidable.

I didn't change your argument tho.

I'm not reading this wall.

Let me refresh what this thread is about: "Why do some people simply hate ntr"

My argument: "If netorare offends a person so much that they have to ask the question - then no, it's not dumb that they should skip that game."

We aren't talking about people who are borderline about it. We aren't talking about people who don't like it. We're talking about people at the level of hate and/or fanatically opposed to it.

For example, I hate seafood. H-A-T-E. I don't have anything against people who like it. I don't have anything against the concept of seafood, in general. But I will never eat seafood. I barely can stand seeing it on a plate. Period.

I have never, and will never, walk into a seafood restaurant and ask "Hey, can I get something that isn't seafood?" I am also not going to disparage people for liking seafood. I am not going to walk into a restaurant and call the patrons there fish-breath or some kind of insult.

I simply will not walk into that restaurant. There are so many other restaurants available to me that I have no need to. I skip all seafood restaurants.

Now, before I get the "but what about... " primary school questions that resemble the "But I am not touching you" arguments in the back seat of the car on a family trip --- Do I go to non-seafood restaurants that may have a couple of fish or similar selections on their menu? Yes - but very very very very very very very very very - breath - very very very rarely.

Again, this thread is about people who "simply hate ntr."

If you simply hate something - avoid it, go somewhere else, don't bug people because you think you're entitled to go everywhere, eat anywhere, play all videos games you want. Some things aren't made for you. Move on.

My argument has been with that whole concept in mind throughout this thread.

And like I said previously:

If you don't get it
If you don't agree
Fine - but why are we beating this dead horse? (Don't answer that - it's rhetorical)

 

[NTR unavoidable!]

Honestly, the only issue is when people go into ntr (or any other fetish) game thread to openly hate and kink shame like I first said. Everything else I don't really mind much. It would be awesome if people didn't do that and just focused on their own preferences but it will never happen unfortunately.

I don't consider myself a 'saint' but in all my years here something like that never crossed my mind. Let people enjoy their thing and you enjoy yours. It's so simple.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

I will say it again. Even if you hate a fetish, if all you're doing is asking if it's avoidable, please do it. It's welcome. If the answer is no, move on. If the answer is yes, it's avoidable, then welcome, hope you enjoy your time. I promise you aren't bothering the dev by asking.

 

[Jaike]

I'm not reading this wall.

Let me refresh what this thread is about: "Why do some people simply hate ntr"

My argument: "If netorare offends a person so much that they have to ask the question - then no, it's not dumb that they should skip that game."

We aren't talking about people who are borderline about it. We aren't talking about people who don't like it. We're talking about people at the level of hate and/or fanatically opposed to it.

For example, I hate seafood. H-A-T-E. I don't have anything against people who like it. I don't have anything against the concept of seafood, in general. But I will never eat seafood. I barely can stand seeing it on a plate. Period.

I have never, and will never, walk into a seafood restaurant and ask "Hey, can I get something that isn't seafood?" I am also not going to disparage people for liking seafood. I am not going to walk into a restaurant and call the patrons there fish-breath or some kind of insult.

I simply will not walk into that restaurant. There are so many other restaurants available to me that I have no need to. I skip all seafood restaurants.

Now, before I get the "but what about... " primary school questions that resemble the "But I am not touching you" arguments in the back seat of the car on a family trip --- Do I go to non-seafood restaurants that may have a couple of fish or similar selections on their menu? Yes - but very very very very very very very very very - breath - very very very rarely.

Again, this thread is about people who "simply hate ntr."

If you simply hate something - avoid it, go somewhere else, don't bug people because you think you're entitled to go everywhere, eat anywhere, play all videos games you want. Some things aren't made for you. Move on.

My argument has been with that whole concept in mind throughout this thread.

And like I said previously:

"I'm not reading this wall." and goes on to write a mostly irrelevant response that's about as long as my response to you was, slightly longer even. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ What's even the point of putting forward a debatable argument on a forum if you sidestep deliberation, and just stick your fingers in your ears and rattle off in a bubble?

But it's fine, "not everything is made for everyone" even applies to my posts.

 

[tanstaafl]

I have never, and will never, walk into a seafood restaurant and ask "Hey, can I get something that isn't seafood?" I am also not going to disparage people for liking seafood. I am not going to walk into a restaurant and call the patrons there fish-breath or some kind of insult.

I simply will not walk into that restaurant. There are so many other restaurants available to me that I have no need to. I skip all seafood restaurants.

Red Lobster's cheddar biscuits are amazing. Definitely worth the pain of a sea food joint. Random statement of the day.

 

[MissCougar]

Wanting someone to make a Pokémon NTR game where when you catch them, they show up in other trainers balls. And all your balls are empty, and when you go to the gym for your trainer fights you throw empty balls out and all the trainers wiggle their brows at you and battle with your Pokémon, who all look at you forlornly before each fight.

 

[Jigglypuff Dragonslayer]

Wanting someone to make a Pokémon NTR game where when you catch them, they show up in other trainers balls. And all your balls are empty, and when you go to the gym for your trainer fights you throw empty balls out and all the trainers wiggle their brows at you and battle with your Pokémon, who all look at you forlornly before each fight.

Maybe that's what happens when you 'black out' after loosing a battle?
Now I'm curious if there's any pokemon that can learn flash, attract and encore?

 

[Letstryitout]

Wanting someone to make a Pokémon NTR game where when you catch them, they show up in other trainers balls. And all your balls are empty, and when you go to the gym for your trainer fights you throw empty balls out and all the trainers wiggle their brows at you and battle with your Pokémon, who all look at you forlornly before each fight.

Technically, there is Pocket Gal Hunter, but it's very risky to make a fan-made Pokémon game these days.

 

[tanstaafl]

Technically, there is Pocket Gal Hunter, but it's very risky to make a fan-made Pokémon game these days.

 

[sp4ckj4rr0w_420]

I simply hate ntr because it invokes bad memories. Therefore I avoid it like a plague. No need to spread hate for ntr, since it does a good job on it's own lol. But some avn's I've read did have ntr in it, just avoidable. I can live with that but with other titles with forced or whatever, yeah I'll just ignore those.

I understand people who don't like it or can't stand the genre, but to hate it to the point where it affects you emotionally is a bit too funny and exaggerated.

Welp, I can't speak for others but like I said, it invokes bad memories for me. So bad that I almost see red some of the times. That's what happens if you get stabbed in the back by the person you thought you could trust. Still that's no reason to just lurk around ntr avn's and keep shitposting. I just ignore it, since that's better for my sanity.

And I wouldn't call it funny though. If you experienced something horrible, that even years later even a simple thing can trigger those bad memories and let you relive that moment, sometimes over and over. And if you're in that kind of state of mind, then it's no wonder that a person would be more wrathful than normal.

Correct me if I'm wrong and I apologize if this comes over as a personal attack but... The reason you think their reactions are too exaggerated and funny is, you haven't experienced the same suffering that let's you relive that terrible moment again and again. And because you haven't experienced it, you can't empathize with them.

Sure not all haters are like this, some are just shitposting or trolling for their own entertainment but not every hater is a troll. And not every hater shitposts on those titles, some just like to forget and avoid.

Peace