Why is rule 7 a thing

[Zastinx]

He's having a full on shit fit, with tears, about not getting what he wants (children to spank it to).

You clearly didn't read what I said. I am not against Rule 7 existing.

 

[tanstaafl]

You clearly didn't read what I said. I am not against Rule 7 existing.

We all believe you.

 

[anne O'nymous]

You're arguing to try and downplay the clear bias and you say that as if I hadn't tried...

And you, are you arguing to try to hide your inability to understand the word "prepubescent", and what "no sign of puberty" can possibly mean, or just because you are bored?

 

[morphnet]

What I'm getting at here is there is a double standard. Both should be dealt with equally.

This is where you are failing to understand reality. 2D is one category and 3D is another category, which is why it is specifically mentioned in the rules.

Then you reply to for whatever reason pointless statistics bringing up KK models as an example.

Simple, you lied. You said "MANY" as if the staff and mods are doing a terrible job. There aren't many, there are a handful. You then stated your criteria

Western games on here like that but worse, since they look realistic

So to see your criteria we add 3dcg and then don't look at games using cartoonish and KK style to reach "realistic looking" this gives us a clear visual indication of whether or not you are lying by saying "MANY" This isn't rocket science and they are there for all to see.

I'm also getting a feeling you're linking appearance to age. You don't know what loli is, do you?

First, it doesn't matter what loli is, your opinion of what loli is doesn't matter, MY opinion of what loli is doesn't matter, what matters is how THIS SITE defines it. We use that because that is the criteria that they, staff and mods use when judging if a game breaks the rules.

https://f95zone.to/threads/general-rules-updated-2025-01-29.5589/


7.Content (a game, image, video, story, animation, etc.) depicting nudity, sexualization or sexual/erotic activity involving prepubescent character(s) is prohibited. A "prepubescent character" is one that visually shows no sign of puberty, or if non-visual is otherwise clearly intended to represent a prepubescent character. 2D and 'unrealistic' depictions are generally looked upon more favorably. As this involves some discretion, if you are unsure ask a Staff Member.

1. This includes translations, bug fixes, etc for banned content.

(bold / color added by me)

Second, hackers, law enforcement, courts go off appearance, they don't care if there is an opening message saying "all characters are 18"

Third, if they went off every tom, dick and harry's opinion on what loli is, they wouldn't be able to ban any games and this site would have been shut down years ago.

I get there are some things that cannot be here they are obvious for example most Black Panda games the characters are and are insinuated as underage. The same needs to happen for those Western ones, they're even worse offenders because they look realistic ffs.

This is you OPENLY and BLATANTLY asking FOR a double standard. You are saying it DOESN'T matter if the 3d are clearly NOT prepubescent, they should be banned too.

Why does it matter if it IS banned? It only does in the context that other ones that should count as violations are getting let through

Your OPINION and so far, as you seem to need to rely on exaggerations and opinions instead of rules and facts, a dubious opinion at best.

Are people not able to get it other places? They can sometimes, but typically these games end up there as a result of being posted here first. Additionally, other places are flooded with viruses, pop-ups and multi-linking just to navigate those sites let alone potentially download something So here is where they want it.

I'll reply to this one in two parts.

1

Are people not able to get it other places? They can sometimes, but typically these games end up there as a result of being posted here first.

Bullshit, first, this site doesn't allow non translated games, second many games have been rejected before ever being listed (either brought straight to the staff / mods or in the form of a request that is rejected)

Additionally, other places are flooded with viruses, pop-ups and multi-linking just to navigate those sites let alone potentially download something So here is where they want it.

Only if it's your first day using the internet ever. There are MANY sites that host this "stuff" that have reviews on the uploader and their uploads, that are safe and unfortunately host most of these types untranslated and translated.

As for them "wanting" it here, that is NOT even close to a reason to put the staff / mods, site and community in danger. It's plain selfish.

Also why exactly do those banned games NEED to be here? They don't and I never said they do.

Then you are doing a poor job of making yourself and your stance clear.

The staff and mods are doing their utmost to be fair while walking an ambiguous thin-line and all they are getting in return for this hard work is a bunch of so called adults who refuse to stop and think for a second about how reality and the real world affect the discissions the staff / mods make.

Again it's NOT rocket science,

If someone finds the game they are looking for here, great grab it and enjoy
If someone doesn't find the game they are looking for here, GO LOOK ELSEWHERE.

 

[HelpfulSunglasses]

this thread will keep getting necroed until it hits puberty at this rate

 

[c3p0]

this thread will keep getting necroed until it hits puberty at this rate

Never.
Rule 7 (even if it is 1.7) is the almost the same as Godwin’s law.
There always will be new threads about it (not that we need ones) the only question is how many will be opened per week:
Threads with "rule 7" as part of their title

 

[RoseWulfLea]

He's having a full on shit fit, with tears, about not getting what he wants (children to spank it to).

I like how so many people keep jumping to "Waah, I want my loli games" when the point both I and others have made is that we don't care if it is allowed or not, we just want less bias and more clear lines. Vague handwaving of "looks underage" makes it frustrating to post games here, ESPECIALLY when that determination isn't even properly followed, given how there are "approved" games that CLEARLY violate rule 7, but mods let in anyway.

It is quite frankly poor showing on the mod's parts that this is an issue to begin with. I'm not sure why making a decision is SO hard. Make clear, defined rules and people will be less upset at vague bullshit that they can't navigate.

OF COURSE there will be people that bitch either way, that is the human condition, but making the rules less vague will at least reduce it.

So, you're saying the staff is biased, your opinion. Your saying that morphnet statistic are pointless facts, so what shall we use for a fact based discussion? Your opinion? My opinion? Morphnet opinion? Any other opinion?
Therefore, I declare, based on this opinion, cause all other are pointless statistics:
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And last but not least, do anyone really beleive that if all characters need to be adult (18, but even that is not consistent worldwide) this would be different? The staff then would need to decide (and vote on) if the characters are adults or not and that is, as the current rule is, still subjectiv to those who are currently staff of this site.

I feel the point is less not caring about statistics, and more about the bias of ANY existing despite the rules. You could have ten games that fit this criteria, and the question becomes: Why are these here, why are they approved. Why is a similar game I put forward not approved? If it weren't for how easy it is to get the games that ARE here I would go elsewhere, but for f95s faults it is one of the better piracy sites. Which is why people put up with the bullshit that it does.

 

[tanstaafl]

OF COURSE there will be people that bitch either way, that is the human condition, but making the rules less vague will at least reduce it.

It can't be less vague. It is literally up to the admin/mods on a case by case judgement call subjectively based on the reality of the render/art, the story, and the art source. I.E. the more realistic side of AI CG that in anyway resembles anything close to a teen is nixed immediately.

This has been explained in nearly every single post along these lines for years.

 

[c3p0]

I feel the point is less not caring about statistics, and more about the bias of ANY existing despite the rules. You could have ten games that fit this criteria, and the question becomes: Why are these here, why are they approved. Why is a similar game I put forward not approved? If it weren't for how easy it is to get the games that ARE here I would go elsewhere, but for f95s faults it is one of the better piracy sites. Which is why people put up with the bullshit that it does.

As you quoted my post and already make a statement about subjective decision, care to answer this one:

And last but not least, do anyone really believe that if all characters need to be adult (18, but even that is not consistent worldwide) this would be different? The staff then would need to decide (and vote on) if the characters are adults or not and that is, as the current rule is, still subjectiv to those who are currently staff of this site.

What would be the difference?
Judge if the chare is above 10/12/14/16/18 are all the same, you will judge according to text and images and we all already know that the "character is x old" bullshit don't get you a freepass. Character can be a 1000 year old female vamp, if she loook like an 8 year old girl, I would bet all my Sam coins on this, the girl wouldn't be allowed here, regardless of how she act.

So, what would be difference, if the rule was instead of prepubescent would need to be adults? What would change on the actual procedure to determine this?

 

[RoseWulfLea]

It can't be less vague. It is literally up to the admin/mods on a case by case judgement call subjectively based on the reality of the render/art, the story, and the art source. I.E. the more realistic side of AI CG that in anyway resembles anything close to a teen is nixed immediately.

This has been explained in nearly every single post along these lines for years.

And that is the entirety of my stance, just decide if it is allowed or not. And stick to decisions. Games like Summer Memories getting a pass, Ecchi&Craft NOT getting a pass, being told it never will, and getting one anyway. Mods deciding what games do or do not violate rule 7 is a bloody circus, and feels dishonest and makes it difficult to want to engage with posting games here. The question of if a game I post will be let throw or not is even MORE frustrating when I am told no, and then someone else posts the game and is told yes. Not even different games, THE SAME GAME.

I want to engage with the site, share games I like, and talk to others about them. But the way things are now has me wondering what even the point is.

As you quoted my post and already make a statement about subjective decision, care to answer this one:

What would be the difference?
Judge if the chare is above 10/12/14/16/18 are all the same, you will judge according to text and images and we all already know that the "character is x old" bullshit don't get you a freepass. Character can be a 1000 year old female vamp, if she loook like an 8 year old girl, I would bet all my Sam coins on this, the girl wouldn't be allowed here, regardless of how she act.

So, what would be difference, if the rule was instead of prepubescent would need to be adults? What would change on the actual procedure to determine this?

Simple, appearance and stated age, if either doesn't fit, then it doesn't matter if the other does. And no wiggle room, set a line in the sand and if it is even up to question nuke it. Zero tolerance even. That is my stance. Either allow it or don't.

 

[tanstaafl]

And that is the entirety of my stance, just decide if it is allowed or not.

Are you autistic?

 

[c3p0]

Simple, appearance and stated age, if either doesn't fit, then it doesn't matter if the other does. And no wiggle room, set a line in the sand and if it is even up to question nuke it. Zero tolerance even. That is my stance. Either allow it or don't.

I recap: No adults in adult games, we will make this zone great again.

 

[ciphertul]

I have no dog in this race, but it always feels like where you personally draw the line at. Each person will draw it at a different spot. It's always harkening me back to a manga I was reading a non-h one. The protagonist goes up into the mountain to commit the big S, but meets a girl who looks young teens. She was offered up to the mountain's god as a bride to him from a time long pass. The god stopped her from aging so she may remain in the mountain forever. She appears young but acts like a old lady from centuries ago. Do we judge her solely on how she looks or do we count how she acts too?

 

[tanstaafl]

I have no dog in this race, but it always feels like where you personally draw the line at. Each person will draw it at a different spot.

This is why things are the way they are. There is no making everyone happy, so they err on the side of least legal and/or financial action and leave it at that. But there will always be people who just don't get it and will go on and on and on ad nauseam.

 

[RoseWulfLea]

I recap: No adult in adult games, we will make this zone great again.

That isn't my stance at all, are you a retard?

 

[c3p0]

That isn't my stance at all, are you a retard?

I would say it needs one to know one

 

[morphnet]

when the point both I and others have made is that we don't care if it is allowed or not, we just want less bias and more clear lines.

Clear lines you say? So what you are IMPLYING is that there is a standard by which hackers, law enforcement, courts and governments around the world ALL abide, is written out in plain language, covers text, 2d, 3d, AI, film etc. and can be used and applied here

BUT

The staff and mods refuse to... because... you know.... bias....

Vague handwaving of "looks underage" makes it frustrating to post games here

Site taken down, staff arrested, millions of members loose access to content VS frustrating to post games here

ESPECIALLY when that determination isn't even properly followed, given how there are "approved" games that CLEARLY violate rule 7, but mods let in anyway.

In YOUR opinion

Also remind us all, what risk are you taking exactly? Is it your site that will be taken down?

It is quite frankly poor showing on the mod's parts that this is an issue to begin with.

No it's a poor showing on the part of the so called adults who can't go get that stuff somewhere else.
Also what on this green earth EVER gave you the idea this site OWES you the right to get that content here?

OF COURSE there will be people that bitch either way, that is the human condition, but making the rules less vague will at least reduce it.

Awesome we ALL hang on baited breath for your presentation at the UN on how a standard should be formed so sites can apply it.... please be sure to link the time and date.

I feel the point is less not caring about statistics, and more about the bias of ANY existing despite the rules. You could have ten games that fit this criteria, and the question becomes: Why are these here, why are they approved. Why is a similar game I put forward not approved?

Why are these here : because 1) the staff decided it was ok and worth the risk 2) because the staff don't know yet and when it gets reported it will go under review to decide if it is ok and worth the risk.

why are they approved : Because the staff / mods had a meeting and decided it was.

Why is a similar game I put forward not approved? : Similar according to who? Unless YOU are a standard, it's your view/opinion against their view/opinion and it's THIER site.

Which is why people put up with the bullshit that it does.

and by bullshit you mean make decisions that have kept it up and running when MANY other sites have closed down / been taken down? By bullshit you mean create a site that is one of, if not the safest, up to date and community <- notice community NOT individual or small group focused sites out there? By bullshit you mean a site filled with resources and information? By bullshit you mean a 8 million + member community that can come here and get content without pop up or jumping through hoops or navigating 5 ad shrink pages? By bulshit you mean a site that helped give rise to a dedicated torrent host and many new modders?

and you want to risk it all for some illegal content that not only is illegal but would also draw in a bad crowd and give rise to other illegal activity?

and no I didn't forget YOUR either / or reply, the whole give us everything or make sure no one can get anything.

If you want banned games go somewhere else, simple!

 

[morphnet]

Do we judge her solely on how she looks or do we count how she acts too?

THEY don't judge at all (in terms of hosted content) they TRY anticipate what a hacker, a law enforcement officer, a judge in court will judge X content as and then try make the best decision for the site and the community.

This is what happens when people get emotional about this (not referring to you here, just in general) they assume it's the taste or the distaste of the staff and mods, they think that the staff and mods are picking and choosing based on their own preferences but they are judging on what might / could happen if they host X content.

 

[RoseWulfLea]

and no I didn't forget YOUR either / or reply, the whole give us everything or make sure no one can get anything.

It rather seems like it, you argue with me on the basis of this all getting approved, while ignoring the aspect of just banning it all. Seems like you and others want this specific narrative of "pro loli or else" crybabies causing issues. Which makes sense since to acknowledge the other end of the argument would destroy your whole stance of "teh safety of the forum".

I reiterate: Why not just ban loli/shota wholesale, and remove the issue entirely?

 

[RoseWulfLea]

THEY don't judge at all (in terms of hosted content) they TRY anticipate what a hacker, a law enforcement officer, a judge in court will judge X content as and then try make the best decision for the site and the community.

This is what happens when people get emotional about this (not referring to you here, just in general) they assume it's the taste or the distaste of the staff and mods, they think that the staff and mods are picking and choosing based on their own preferences but they are judging on what might / could happen if they host X content.

I personally feel its a bias since I was subject TO that bias. I put forth a game, it got rule 7'd, I brought my case to the mods once, was told it will NEVER be approved and to shut up, couple months later game is approved because someone else posted it.