Why is rule 7 a thing

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This seemingly nonsensical back and forth makes it hard to know what IS and IS NOT okay on the forum and is frustrating for those that make content that would fall under rule 7 BUT might not. I know a few people that have been wary to post here cause they don't know if their stuff will be okayed or not.
I find the rules quite clear, no prepubescent shit, especially 3d. The line only gets fuzzy if you try to circumvent it.
 
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RoseWulfLea have you locked at the thread with 59 post before you posted post 60? I assume not, other you would have noticed that this would be the thread that you have contributed over 1/4 of the post for it.

This only leads me to the conclusion that you don't really care about it and that in turn, suprised me, as you claim that you care.
 
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I find the rules quite clear, no prepubescent shit, especially 3d. The line only gets fuzzy if you try to circumvent it.
Except there is plenty of loli on the forum. Hence why the problem of wether or not it is okay on the forum is an issue. Why is some loli okay and not others? Educate yourself please, you look the fool when you make obviously ignorant statements.

RoseWulfLea have you locked at the thread with 59 post before you posted post 60? I assume not, other you would have noticed that this would be the thread that you have contributed over 1/4 of the post for it.

This only leads me to the conclusion that you don't really care about it and that in turn, suprised me, as you claim that you care.
I'd like to point out that I hadn't posted on this thread for like, a whole year. Outside of that, I like how you pick at the easy thing in my comment and ignore the rest of it. Nothing to say? I like how so many people jump at the pro-loli aspect, when this site has a BUNCH of loli on it. To the point I wonder why rule 7 is a thing.
 

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Except there is plenty of loli on the forum. Hence why the problem of wether or not it is okay on the forum is an issue. Why is some loli okay and not others? Educate yourself please, you look the fool when you make obviously ignorant statements.
Because loli itself isn't forbidden, and neither does "loli" mean "prepubescent", just "not fully developed" (at least according to the tag list applied in this forum).
So a girl with noticeable, but not fully developed, breasts can be classified as "loli", while not meeting rule 7 restrictions.
 

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Nothing to say?
No, nothing to add here, I've written what I had written and as nothing changed, I don't see to repeat myself as this neither change anything or make it more truth or wrong.

To the point I wonder why rule 7 is a thing.
And that is a your problem type of problem. No one, other than yourself can make this happen or not.
Why rule 7 is there as it is, Hagatagar quoted the post from mutdoggy over a year ago. This is the official reason and no one other than the mods/staff could explain it more, if they want. A search for "rule 7" titled threads gives 21 results and I doubt that in the 4th thread that poops on the result page this search will get another treatment than the others ones.

So either ask the staff over PM or tickets, as no staff has answered the same question (again) in this thread. Although I would doubt that you get anything from there.

And for a TL;DR or moreso TL;DC:
Rule 7 (or per Forum rule numbering rule 1.7) won't be removed or changed. That doens't mean they don't add something to it or change description of this rule, but the overall intention of this rule won't change.

As staff are humans, it will always have a subjective component in it. Also as the games here change overtime and so some may introduce content that is against rule 7 or remove content that was against rule 7, so will games who were previously on the site be remove or vice versa. Last but not least, the staff don't play every game and all paths of every game, so games with content against rule 7 can be on the zone, simple cause the staff isn't aware of it. After someone inform the staff, those games are usually removed from the site if they really have content that is against rule 7.

Also, if the staff don't change something major for rule 7 that is enough rule 7 talk for my 7 seven years here, so have fun yourself with this "discussion".
 
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Because loli itself isn't forbidden, and neither does "loli" mean "prepubescent", just "not fully developed" (at least according to the tag list applied in this forum).
So a girl with noticeable, but not fully developed, breasts can be classified as "loli", while not meeting rule 7 restrictions.
This... doesn't make any sense. And even if it did, it's still completely subjective because what's your standard of "noticeable, but not fully developed, breasts"? Is anything below an A-cup too far for you? What about the mods? What are their standards? Do they have a unified standard or does it vary from mod to mod? If they truly want to keep the rule and have it be fair then make a detailed rundown of characteristics the mods will look for to decide if a character is "prepubescent" Because otherwise it'll continue to be used by power hungry mods as a reason to remove things they don't like and keep what they do. Besides, the rule pleases no-one anyway, people who hate and can't stand loli aren't going to care that f95 doesn't allow "prepubescent" lolis and people who do like loli will be upset because a game or thread they liked got removed because "WHOOPS THAT LOLI LOOKS A LITTLE TOO UNDER DEVELOPED TO ME".
 
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So a girl with noticeable, but not fully developed, breasts can be classified as "loli", while not meeting rule 7 restrictions.
So, this means that shota is not a shota according to the size of his dick?
 
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It seems I'm a hypocrite, shame on me.

This... doesn't make any sense. And even if it did, it's still completely subjective because what's your standard of "noticeable, but not fully developed, breasts"? Is anything below an A-cup too far for you? What about the mods? What are their standards? Do they have a unified standard or does it vary from mod to mod? If they truly want to keep the rule and have it be fair then make a detailed rundown of characteristics the mods will look for to decide if a character is "prepubescent" Because otherwise it'll continue to be used by power hungry mods as a reason to remove things they don't like and keep what they do. Besides, the rule pleases no-one anyway, people who hate and can't stand loli aren't going to care that f95 doesn't allow "prepubescent" lolis and people who do like loli will be upset because a game or thread they liked got removed because "WHOOPS THAT LOLI LOOKS A LITTLE TOO UNDER DEVELOPED TO ME".
The rule is neither here to please you or any other (regardless of pro or con loli or more precise prepubescent). It is to avoid certains law enforcement to take action against this site, see here.

Also it is not one mod who decide this, but a vote of all staff members (not all mods are staff members).

Rest I direct to this post.

droid out:p
 

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It seems I'm a hypocrite, shame on me.


The rule is neither here to please you or any other (regardless of pro or con loli or more precise prepubescent). It is to avoid certains law enforcement to take action against this site, see here.
I'm sorry but I just don't buy that. If a law enforcement agency or your server host(s) wanted to come after this site, not for the rampant piracy but for loli or shota, then rule 7 isn't some magical force field that's gonna keep them at bay they'll take one look at this: https://f95zone.to/tags/loli/, https://f95zone.to/tags/shota/, or if you want a game example then: https://f95zone.to/threads/trick-or...-perform-mischief-on-you-v1-0-moonglow.71070/ and deny you service or take the site down or whatever.
 

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get it already - if you "buy" this or do not understand that is entirely irrelevant.

How the fuck do you become so entitled that you act as if knowing better than those who are closest to be the "pros" around here, those who actually are responsible for continued existence of f95zone.

and it exists for >7 years now, which is already sth.
 

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It seems I'm a hypocrite, shame on me.


The rule is neither here to please you or any other (regardless of pro or con loli or more precise prepubescent). It is to avoid certains law enforcement to take action against this site, see here.

Also it is not one mod who decide this, but a vote of all staff members (not all mods are staff members).

Rest I direct to this post.

droid out:p
And the mods are very wishy-washy about it. I had a mod tell me that both "Ecchi&Craft" and "Is it because I am weak?" voilate rule 7, and would not be reconsidered. Funny how "Ecchi&Craft" is now on the forum and "Is it because I am weak is not". "Ecchi&Craft" being more chibi than loli was a whole discussion that they didn't want to hear, and "Is it because I am weak?" has one main character and one side character that are lolis, of the same body types and propertions as "Insexual Awakenings" lolis. So by logic of the mods that SHOULD mean that "Is it because I am weak?" should be allowed on the forum or "Insexual Awakening" should be taken off. Yet neither will happen, cause a mod told my they wont reconsider "Is it because I am weak?" and the forum thread for "Insexual Awakening" is explicitly stated to be okay'd past rule 7. If both have the same level of loli in them (and the one okayed even has shota) then why is one fine and the other not?
 

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This... doesn't make any sense. And even if it did, it's still completely subjective because what's your standard of "noticeable, but not fully developed, breasts"? Is anything below an A-cup too far for you? What about the mods? What are their standards? Do they have a unified standard or does it vary from mod to mod? If they truly want to keep the rule and have it be fair then make a detailed rundown of characteristics the mods will look for to decide if a character is "prepubescent" Because otherwise it'll continue to be used by power hungry mods as a reason to remove things they don't like and keep what they do. Besides, the rule pleases no-one anyway, people who hate and can't stand loli aren't going to care that f95 doesn't allow "prepubescent" lolis and people who do like loli will be upset because a game or thread they liked got removed because "WHOOPS THAT LOLI LOOKS A LITTLE TOO UNDER DEVELOPED TO ME".
First -
The decision to pull a game based on Rule 7 is not usually made by strictly one staff member. It is reviewed by multiple members of the staff and is decided by a majority opinion on the game. So your assertion that it is "power hungry mods" are deciding on their own holds no water. The standards are quite clear, if you take a moment and take a breath. For the vast majority of the decisions, the evidence is obvious. For the small few that may be on the borderline, that's why the staff uses multiple perspectives in their group to make the decision.

Second -
It's their site.
They make the rules.
They enforce the rules as they see fit.

If the content you seek is not on here, request it.
If the content you seek is not allowed on here, search elsewhere.

We visit this site by our choice.
We are able to post, share, download at their discretion.
If they do not like what we do, they can ban us.
If we do not like what they do, we can leave.

This isn't a difficult thing.
Arguing about whether a subjective discernment is "fair" or not, "right" or not, is not going to change this.
Life is not fair.
Sometimes that which a person thinks is right will not exist.

Third -
Arguing about this is like going into someone's home and arguing that the artwork they chose to hang on their walls was subjectively chosen and they made the wrong choices. Because, just like a person's home - this site is private property and the people who own/manage the home make the decisions on how the home is to be kept for the visitors who come in. If visitors do not like the decisions, they are welcome to leave. If visitors do not follow the decisions, they may be escorted out and told never to come back.

Fourth -
If a game is not allowed/removed - one may appeal the decision using a support ticket. If, following the appeal, the staff chooses to keep the game off the site, accept the decision and move on. If they choose to reverse the decision, accept the decision and move on.

In the end -
Arguing and questioning staff decisions in one of the open forums on this site is not going to persuade the staff to your position. It is more likely going to solidify their current decision because you are giving the appearance of trying to pressure them with hoping for greater numbers to take your side of the argument.
 

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My main point (either in this thread or another I know I had commented on) is that rule 7 is a mess, and the mods need to decide to either ban loli/shota entirely (like you said, there are other sites, like ATF) or just get rid of the restriction. As it is now it seems like rule 7 is followed on the whims of the mods. Some let in loli/shota games, some do not.

This seemingly nonsensical back and forth makes it hard to know what IS and IS NOT okay on the forum and is frustrating for those that make content that would fall under rule 7 BUT might not. I know a few people that have been wary to post here cause they don't know if their stuff will be okayed or not.
Banning games is based on results of investigation into a game's content (during this time a game is often hidden) and then the staff vote on it. Not all mods are staff, and I suspect it's only 1 mod's solo decision to hide it if the rule 7 violation is extreme. You're always going to have variation ("wishy-washy") if a diverse group of people vote on it, and there are different criteria to consider, 2d or 3d, realistic or unrealistic, text-only or graphic, all kinds of aspects that are too many to write here.

I agree it's hard to know what's allowed and I'm surprised by some of the games that this site allows. Like Insexual Awakening, but it's unrealistic 2d and the teen characters look like Squirtles so I guess that's that.
 

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For me, rule 7 doesn't make any sense neither. But mods, admins and DMs must have their reasons for keeping it. So i don't complain about it.
I hope one day it gets revised and perhaps modified, but if that doesn't happen, well, life keeps going.