*really weird and uncomfortable smile going on*
Oi, what's going on in here? I see a lot of things I like, this is good.
Well, let's take a look in random order.
As moderators, what we do is we take action against posts deemed to be blatantly against the first rule - be respectful to other members. But it's a slippery slope that runs awfully close to censoring so we act against the posts that we deem are the worst offenders.
I agree, personal attacks are lowest of low (though, funny to watch when people throw shit at each other), but shitting on a product is fine. Pointing out issues with product is fine, I guess that slippery slope starts when conclusion of shown issues points at the developer. Most of the time it's the case.
Feel free to use the magic button and shut it down...my desire was not to open the pandora box and i hope it will remain civil and we can understand each other as adults but hmmm..
If not for the Pandora's jar reference, it wouldn't be as good. You literally fell under same reasoning for starting the thread as Pandora when she decided to open it [the jar]. It's a beautiful comparison in this context, I will give you that.
And my point is a thread should be about the product and not a mono maniac focus about the dev !
What if bad product is a result of a dev being bad? We avoid conversation to not hurt dev's feelings? Pat them on the head like a kid that can't understand? Become fanboys and defend all his/hers actions, good and bad? While I will agree that there is difference in "you're shit" and "your product is shit", one can be result of another.
No, this is not the censorship police, I still need to get my badge
Anyway, what kakhauf is saying here, I agree and nothing to add, just to point at. Saving space in a long post.
"In fact there should be no peace"? No matter what you or I think, there are people who like games that other people don't and they benefit from developers interacting with. What right does anyone have to make the kinds of decisions you're making on behalf of all 4,200+ members (unless you own or run this forum)? YOU not liking something doesn't mean that no one should be able to enjoy it.
I think you didn't got the point. There should be no place for devs that are: lazy, don't care, just want to milk money and so on, those types. And thanks to them, ricochets easily hit other, honest and hard working devs, those however should just continue what they are doing, actions and time will be the best way to prove who is wrong and who is right. Much better than words and promises.
And this is something that has only be increasing. I dont know where the toxic behavior started but its definitely become a virus on here and spreading. I personally dont like to punish users or have to ban them. Since it has been getting worse, harsher actions have been taken.
Erm... "I do not upload or touch RPGM games", I wonder why? It may be a wild guess, but isn't the reason of it that a lot of RPGM games are just crap? Often created to milk money, badly designed and badly made. And it's not the engine's fault, it's the developer's fault. They are ones to blame. More people start realizing and they keep bashing on it, more and more and more. This is where it starts, this toxic behavior, it gets to a point someone needs to express it in every single post, spreading like a virus. Don't get me wrong, it's fully justified and I understand it. Just answering.
Then again, my wild guess could be completely wrong.
Hello,
I've noticed lately that many thread became only massive shit storm against the devs.
Just like that? Without a reason at all? Damn, assholes everywhere...
Here we are, on a forum where we have the chance to get for free so many games because some "lunatics" decided to pay and share their links with us.
And then we find hundreds of message to bash/insult the dev.
I understand that we can see the forum as a way to promoting the game, which is why so many dev themselves interact here, then it can lead to critics, which is good.
Sharing thoughts and critics are the best way to inform potentials supporters (patrons) and if we think that a game is not worthy to be financially supported. But lately, it became only thrashing talks how the dev is a lazy liar, a milk man, a crook....whatever.
First sentence sounds like you are trying to setup something, hmm...
Meh, probably got it wrong. Anyway, yeah, there is a lot of thrashing and? When you have a lot of people doing what they are being accused of, you will see a lot of it.
If you are a patron, a forum user and feeling scammed, you unpledge and inform others of your misadventure and then you go on the road rage on patreon...why here?
Dunno, to inform as many people as possible? If for some reason their "feels" (ugh) were correct, it will save money of potential customers.
And why so many free user, use this forum to unload their rage toward devs for who they don't pledge for and keep going on and on, and even, attack other users who don't agree with them ! You don't like the game anymore or beleive the dev is no longer a good one, just drop the thread..
Oooooh, so that's what that sentence was for. So you were actually setting it up.
So, they didn't pay for it. Want to fight piracy or something? Do you know how you fight it? By creating things people want to pay for and support.
But yeah, you didn't pay for it, you played it, realized it's shit to milk money, now shut up, don't say a word and be a good boy.
If you think the project is a scam and want to bash it, meh, go for it. If it wasn't a scam in the end, you were wrong, if it was, you were right. Whole story.
I like this place but it became more bitter and angry that it used to be.
Sounds like Internet to me...
I like that I see some white knights here and there, may be because game they liked got bashed and they need to rise their shield. They may be right or just fanboys, people will judge actions of the dev over time.
They are calling you a lazy dev? A milking scammer? Maybe be more open about your work time? Your progress, what your are doing and so on. Support it with stuff. But if you can't or are disappearing for 3 months without any contact, it does seem weird, don't be shocked people jump to conclusion.
Scammers and lazy idiots won't be able to show much, because they don't do shit. That's often the concern. Just like a company needs to answer to their shareholders and financial contributors, to not disappoint them, you have to answer to your financial supporters. Sure, maybe you want to share it with supporters only, that's fine. But if someone gives money to access it and sees same lack of anything, then there is the problem.
People don't start massively shitting on something just because they are assholes. There is always a reason for it. Just because genuine thing gets hit by it as blast radius is big, doesn't mean they don't have means to prove those accusations are wrong.
Oh, right, wanted to ask. Who is this 4chan people are talking about?
