VN Ren'Py Wild Cats [April Fool's Special] [LopaPhi]

[SaSteiner]

Of course not, MC would be stupid to not atleast try to recruit a high school pro volley ball player.
It'll still be her decision if she want's to join, MC is not gonna blackmail her into it.
By the way you're arguing, you must also be against Desiree being recruited into the volley ball team, due to her commitment to the basketball team.

 

[Krytax123]

The user wont stop yapping having the most outlandish tales to justify why LI's he dislikes shouldnt be main LI's, hes very stubborn and wont be swayed by any kind of logic or arguments while always mentioning his superior understanding of good writing (lol)

You guys are wasting your time with him

Lexi is obviously awesome and belongs into the team, and she will love it.

 

[Ciaran8023]

Of course not, MC would be stupid to not atleast try to recruit a high school pro volley ball player.
It'll still be her decision if she want's to join, MC is not gonna blackmail her into it.
By the way you're arguing, you must also be against Desiree being recruited into the volley ball team, due to her commitment to the basketball team.

Do people just not understand words written?
What does Desiree have to do with any of this when she hasn't distanced herself from professional sports nor played volleyball. No one even mentioned her either.

The user wont stop yapping having the most outlandish tales to justify why LI's he dislikes shouldnt be main LI's, hes very stubborn and wont be swayed by any kind of logic or arguments while always mentioning his superior understanding of good writing (lol)

You guys are wasting your time with him

Lexi is obviously awesome and belongs into the team, and she will love it.

Ironically, Lexi is probably the character I like the most in this game besides Saki despite your absolute master understanding of me as a person. Specifically because she's unapologetic about what she wants and truly doesn't give a fuck about anything other than what she wants, atleast up until this point.
Trying to assume shit about others generally doesn't go well and just makes you look like an utter tool, but you do you bud.

I am kind of fascinated that people who are seemingly only obsessed with Lexi has this mass delusion that she's somehow incredibly in love with volleyball and can't wait to play it. At this point I'm wondering if you just substitute the words written on screen in the game with your own headcanon.


EDIT- To make it clear for people who seemingly do not understand this, none of this is a critique of Lexi as a character and I am not shitting on your waifu, it's a critique of narrative since contrary to popular belief, it kind of actually is important in a visual novel.

 

[Discrepancy]

Do people just not understand words written?
What does Desiree have to do with any of this when she hasn't distanced herself from professional sports nor played volleyball. No one even mentioned her either.


Ironically, Lexi is probably the character I like the most in this game besides Saki despite your absolute master understanding of me as a person. Specifically because she's unapologetic about what she wants and truly doesn't give a fuck about anything other than what she wants, atleast up until this point.
Trying to assume shit about others generally doesn't go well and just makes you look like an utter tool, but you do you bud.

I am kind of fascinated that people who are seemingly only obsessed with Lexi has this mass delusion that she's somehow incredibly in love with volleyball and can't wait to play it. At this point I'm wondering if you just substitute the words written on screen in the game with your own headcanon.


EDIT- To make it clear for people who seemingly do not understand this, none of this is a critique of Lexi as a character and I am not shitting on your waifu, it's a critique of narrative since contrary to popular belief, it kind of actually is important in a visual novel.

I shouldn't but I will say this, it's the second time you do this in this thread, the other time was that the conflict with the LIs and the main character was badly written, now you want a LI to not be a part of the team, when we all know since the beginning she will be. Man you have the right to your opinion. But your long texts can be exhaustive and people get tired to trying to argue with you because you won't ever accept other opinions are as valid as yours.

 

[Krytax123]

Trying to assume shit about others generally doesn't go well and just makes you look like an utter tool, but you do you bud.

I am kind of fascinated that people who are seemingly only obsessed with Lexi has this mass delusion that she's somehow incredibly in love with volleyball and can't wait to play it. At this point I'm wondering if you just substitute the words written on screen in the game with your own headcanon.


EDIT- To make it clear for people who seemingly do not understand this, none of this is a critique of Lexi as a character and I am not shitting on your waifu, it's a critique of narrative since contrary to popular belief, it kind of actually is important in a visual novel.

sure sure its me who's looking like a tool "buddy"

 

[Gab1]

Do people just not understand words written?

What does Desiree have to do with any of this when she hasn't distanced herself from professional sports nor played volleyball. No one even mentioned her either.





Ironically, Lexi is probably the character I like the most in this game besides Saki despite your absolute master understanding of me as a person. Specifically because she's unapologetic about what she wants and truly doesn't give a fuck about anything other than what she wants, atleast up until this point.

Trying to assume shit about others generally doesn't go well and just makes you look like an utter tool, but you do you bud.



I am kind of fascinated that people who are seemingly only obsessed with Lexi has this mass delusion that she's somehow incredibly in love with volleyball and can't wait to play it. At this point I'm wondering if you just substitute the words written on screen in the game with your own headcanon.





EDIT- To make it clear for people who seemingly do not understand this, none of this is a critique of Lexi as a character and I am not shitting on your waifu, it's a critique of narrative since contrary to popular belief, it kind of actually is important in a visual novel.

Dude, bro, pal, please... you really are pulling salve right now, its like you just want to be a contrarian, please go read the game again, for real, everybody is telling you why Lexi's story make sense, why it is logical, etc. Hell, there are people telling you that if you have a problem with Lexi, you should have a problem with Desiree too because like you said, we are talking about the writing of the Avn, not everything is about method, logic is important too.



Now, none said that Lexi wants to play and she is being stuborn or something like that, we are saying that she isnt openly againts playing, she isnt forced, not by the Mc, not by the narrative, the story follows a pretty natural way to narrate the path of Lexi, there are many devs that would want to write a character like Lopaphi has wrote her, thing is that you are obsess with the idea that Lexi return of Volleyball is forced and bad writing, and i dont really win anything going against it but everything you has written is reaching, it doesnt make sense in the story of the game, i can only think now that you are proyecting on Lexi, because for real read every answer you give, everything has been refuted, like i said you are pulling straw here, and maybe you would answer me with another full coment with a lot of excuses but i do think that we should wait to the update to return to this topic because let be real, we are running in circles now

Edit: i know what i said but to be sincere this has been fun too, so i dont mind reading his opinion but i really think that we have to wait.

 

[TheBigTT]

Please, guys, I shouldn't be the only one feeling exhausted reading this thread, right? Especially lately.

I mean, an active thread is definitely better than a dead silent one, but I'd rather it not be this kind of 'active.'"

We all know, as a fact, we can't get him to accept any opinion that's different from his. So please, guys.

 

[choff543]

Personally I think something happened prior to her last match in high school. Fiona pretty much hinted that. Something bad enough to turn her away from the sport she loved and become self-destructive. And the key getting her into the team would be if the MC can solve that problem. I have no idea what that could be. The only way to find out would be to become involved enough for her to talk about the past.

 

[SaSteiner]

Do people just not understand words written?
What does Desiree have to do with any of this when she hasn't distanced herself from professional sports nor played volleyball. No one even mentioned her either.

I wonder that too, considering your inability to see any standpoint besides your own "Lexi coming back to volleyball is bad"
We don't know why she lost the passion, all we know is that in her the last match against Fiona's team, she was not really into it.
We don't know why, so it's quite a stretch from you to assume her returning to it is the "bad end" for Lexi.

And why Desiree? Because she, like Lexi, is doing something else right now but will end up in the volleyball team. So the situation is indeed similar. If you argue Lexi is being coerced into volleyball because currently she rather spends her time partying, the same is applicable to Desiree, as she currently has an entire different sport and team, so taking her out there would also be an asshole move by the MC from your standpoint.

 

[Ciaran8023]

I wonder that too, considering your inability to see any standpoint besides your own "Lexi coming back to volleyball is bad"

Literally no one here is saying that her coming back to volleyball is bad. You would realize this if you were able to read at a basic level.
The entire argument, from start to finish, is what narrative that return will follow when she's been the only one to have chosen not to play by her own accord and actually wanted to do so.

We don't know why she lost the passion, all we know is that in her the last match against Fiona's team, she was not really into it.

I mean she.. she's literally talked about it?
She wanted to enjoy what college had to offer and party. Bit hard to do so when you spend around 70 hours a week on sports/training/workshopping etc.
Desiree and glasses-girl don't have some sort of dark brooding secret to their character, Lexi doesn't need to have one either.

Given the way she's acting about it, being that she doesn't shy away from talking about volleyball or why she decided to not play anymore, I'm leaning more towards her just realizing that she wanted other things out of life, I'm not sure why this is somehow an impossibility to consider.

And why Desiree? Because she, like Lexi, is doing something else right now but will end up in the volleyball team. So the situation is indeed similar. If you argue Lexi is being coerced into volleyball because currently she rather spends her time partying, the same is applicable to Desiree, as she currently has an entire different sport and team, so taking her out there would also be an asshole move by the MC from your standpoint.

It's not even remotely applicable by any stretch of the imagination, Lexi is a unique case among the entire cast.

Zoey actually wants to play, especially with the MC, but has the social intelligence of a drunk sailor and caused some drama.
Saki got into a shit situation and essentially had no other choice, especially when MC also effectively bailed her out.
Fiona is heavily involved with whatever happened to the previous coach and her not playing is more than plausible to be not her actual choice. I don't think she wanted shit to go down like it did, but it did.
Glasses-chan (I cannot remember her name) isn't really worth mentioning, she just wants to play.
Desiree wants to do sports, she's doing basketball, good for her.

Lexi, out of the entire cast, is the only one who's gone extreme lengths to avoid being anywhere near volleyball. She just wants to fuck around and have fun, and that's fine. But that's also why her situation is probably the most narratively challenging given that she's at all times shot the MC down and doubled down on not wanting to play, so the road the dev takes in order to get her on to the team will matter in terms of her character.

We literally all like this game here, and I don't think you or anyone else wants to see Lexi go "oh I just had a nice latte today and decided to start doing what I've fought so hard to avoid" or some sort of cop-out reason, because it would be disrespectful to the character and how it's written.

I shouldn't but I will say this, it's the second time you do this in this thread, the other time was that the conflict with the LIs and the main character was badly written, now you want a LI to not be a part of the team, when we all know since the beginning she will be. Man you have the right to your opinion. But your long texts can be exhaustive and people get tired to trying to argue with you because you won't ever accept other opinions are as valid as yours.

If you don't want to read posts on a forum, which is aimed towards discussions, you can always block people. It's very easy and will hide their posts.

Secondly, the conflict between Zoey, Fiona and the MC is hamfisted. I still stand by that, there were better ways to cause a conflict without it being "oh you said something marginally upsetting, let me automatically assume you're literal satan" type deal from all parties involved.

Thirdly, I do accept the opinions of people, the issue in this specific situation are people seemingly inferring that Lexi is somehow wanting to play when the game has been pretty good at telling us that she doesn't.
I also never said that she wouldn't be on the team, we all know that she will, and the argument is what narrative route the dev will take to make that happen, because there are a lot of ones that will end up feeling really fucking bad in this specific scenario, depending on how much emphasis he puts on her autonomy and character.

I think the absolute best case scenario is if Lexi finds out that Fiona is playing again, and decides that they have unfinished business and comes back to play. It respects the characters previous history, it respects how she's pretty headstrong and does what she feels is right.
The worst case scenario (imo) would be that she chooses to play because of the MC, given that the MC doesn't exactly want her playing because she wants to, but rather that he would be up shit creek without her.

EDIT- and of course, all we can do is wait and see, but there are too many loose threads with other characters for me to put my faith in the dev doing a good job of resolving this.

 

[Simpgor]

Having that person blocked previously (I assume for comments in a different game that were at the same level) really saved me some mental bandwidth it seems

Pretty impressive that they only needed to play a few releases of multiple games (from multiple devs) and only spent the better part of a decade to know not only what the characters "should do" but also that they "cracked the code" of AVN being "LI will be involved with MC"

 

[Meiri]

I am going to have to add him to the list as well, this whole argument is just absurd, Lexi is an adult and unless the MC decides to pull out a gun on her or use some sort of blackmail, if she decides to join the team it will be her own decision and nobody can force her to accept if she doesn't really want to.

I agree with what someone post earlier that this has dragged way too long, can we move on to other topics? Hopefully we will be getting the release date sometime this month.

 

[Discrepancy]

I never blocked anyone on this Forum, and would probably block someone for being offensive, Ciaran isn't being offensive per se, but he is making me rethink my policy

 

[MrLKX]

What do we know about Lexi so far?

She had a rivalry with Fiona, and something happened that caused her to throw the third game against Fiona.

My guess: Sports betting and Lexi's team (or just Lexi) were persuaded to throw the game. This would also explain why she apparently gave up volleyball: she lost her trust in the team.

But: Lexi is a very competitive person, and even if she gave up the sport, an essential part of her personality doesn't just go away. And this is where I see her rivalry with Fiona playing a central role. Someone who is so competitive is not satisfied with a draw against their big rival, and it will still bother them. With Fiona on the team, she can't change the draw, but she can compete with her rival and show which of the two is the better player.

Then we come to the issue of trust: if the betrayal really came from her coach and her team, I think that with MC as her coach, who was himself a highly competitive player, and the previous interaction in which he can earn her trust, she can at least give him the benefit of the doubt.

Then to the team:

Fiona: Her rival, who wants to settle the tie.

Desiree (in the future): Hell will freeze over before she betrays a teammate.

Zoe: Her father is the dean. She has no reason to betray the team and is as obsessed with volleyball and hungry for victory as MC was in his playing days.

Eve: She came to practice when she was the only member of the team. She would never betray the team.

Saki: Despite all her bickering with MC, she is loyal to him. She wouldn't betray the team either.

And even though Lexi doesn't know all the players yet, I think if MC would vouch for them, Lexi would trust them too.


At least my thoughts on the Lexituation.

 

[XK271]

I never blocked anyone on this Forum, and would probably block someone for being offensive, Ciaran isn't being offensive per se, but he is making me rethink my policy

Just added him to ignore too because holy hell.

 

[iIIusory]

this thread always gets weirdly toxic for a vanilla game. the lexi virgin discussion when the game first dropped was even worse, and then you had the guy shaking with rage over the mc apologizing for almost hitting eve

 

[Discrepancy]

this thread always gets weirdly toxic for a vanilla game. the lexi virgin discussion when the game first dropped was even worse, and then you had the guy shaking with rage over the mc apologizing for almost hitting eve

Yeah, like this game don't have the controversial kinks that usually attract the crazy discussions and still... maybe we all just anxious for the update, I know I am

 

[T4t0rt]

What do we know about Lexi so far?

She had a rivalry with Fiona, and something happened that caused her to throw the third game against Fiona.

My guess: Sports betting and Lexi's team (or just Lexi) were persuaded to throw the game. This would also explain why she apparently gave up volleyball: she lost her trust in the team.

But: Lexi is a very competitive person, and even if she gave up the sport, an essential part of her personality doesn't just go away. And this is where I see her rivalry with Fiona playing a central role. Someone who is so competitive is not satisfied with a draw against their big rival, and it will still bother them. With Fiona on the team, she can't change the draw, but she can compete with her rival and show which of the two is the better player.

Then we come to the issue of trust: if the betrayal really came from her coach and her team, I think that with MC as her coach, who was himself a highly competitive player, and the previous interaction in which he can earn her trust, she can at least give him the benefit of the doubt.

Then to the team:

Fiona: Her rival, who wants to settle the tie.

Desiree (in the future): Hell will freeze over before she betrays a teammate.

Zoe: Her father is the dean. She has no reason to betray the team and is as obsessed with volleyball and hungry for victory as MC was in his playing days.

Eve: She came to practice when she was the only member of the team. She would never betray the team.

Saki: Despite all her bickering with MC, she is loyal to him. She wouldn't betray the team either.

And even though Lexi doesn't know all the players yet, I think if MC would vouch for them, Lexi would trust them too.


At least my thoughts on the Lexituation.

My thoughts exactly.

From my perspective, and for some hints during the game:

something happened to Lexi during her period in the volleball team, and this because a line Fiona told to the MC: "i can't consider our last match even a match: Lexi even bother to put up a fight." Maybe something so bad happened, that traumatize Lexi or forced her to leave, and from that moment she decided to quit. And another hint is Lexi's behaviour itself: this is the typical behaviour of a person who can't stop, otherwise she'll have to think and deal with the trauma she's suffering. and this is my third assumption: like Fiona, Lexi was a rising star in the volleyball, and suddenly she quitted. For fiona was something with the previous coach: who knows for Lexi was the same, if not something even worse?

So far i've read a lot of theories here in this forum, but this is the first one so far that finally makes a better analysis of this character.

 

[Lancelot821]

I blocked that idiot

 

[reddeath1969]

What a delayed update does to a thread.