hakarlman

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I do get your point. But to be fair, with how much attention this game gets (in terms of number of patreons/money/steam/video reviews on several platforms) it might just be less risky to go with more vanilla and light harted stuff. Going to deep into some of the topics you listed might just end up in bad and negativ reviews from people. And lets be honest, what is most likely to attract even more negativ reviews, someone who says that the themes in the game are too dark, or not dark enough?

Just my two cents, even though i wouldn't mind at least some of the themes you listed. But then again, i think with all the additional features that the sandbox mode has and most likely is going to have, there will probably be storys made by others, that contain these themes. And sharing these scenes is already possible, as far as i know. So again, for their buisness it's probably just the smarter choice to leave that stuff to the community to make.
This is fair. I actually brought this up in their discord. If they need to go vanilla to avoid getting into trouble, then so be it. I totally support that.

It also confirms that my Patreon support is PURELY for the sandbox. They said they're open to expanding the sandbox in a huge way later on, but it's not set in stone. Imagine if you could make your own basic, mini stories in sandbox, then share it with the community? It would have basic plot flags, dialogue manager, etc. You could make custom dialogue for the npc's. I've already begun to write the code in blueprints. Unreal Engine blueprints is very fluid. Then we could make all that kinky, dark content, and share it with the community.
 

Hazzan

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The game starts to run, the boot screen appears for 5 seconds, then there is a black screen for 20 seconds and then a message that an error has been detected and the program will be closed and the game closes. Sometimes such an error pops up: the ue4 game has crashed and will close
If I understood correctly, the game worked well the first few times?
It would be good to start by reinstalling ue4, the file is in the folders of wild life = WindowsNoEditor\Engine\Extras\Redist\en-us.
Then if it doesn't work, redownload the game and if it doesn't work either, logically that would mean that the problem comes from the pc.
 

AdeptusSteve

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FYI. The developer is developing the story & single player mode.

If any of you guys aren't subbed to the Patreon, but you like DARK content, and you're bored to death of Vanilla content, you should join the Patreon NOW for $1.00 and leave feedback. Tell the developers that you LIKE dark content for single player story and be specific. If you don't, the story could end up very vanilla; but if that's what you want, you could also still sub to the Patreon and tell them that you like the vanilla-wholesome direction they might be planning on going in.

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The whacky options he's referring to are:
- HAREM
- NETORI
- NETORARE
- CUCKOLDING
- MAYA FUCKING THE BAD GUY, INSTEAD OF THE BORING GOOD GUY
- FEMDOM
- BULLYING
- BEATING UP PATHETIC MALES WHO ACT LIKE SOYBOY SIMP BITCHES

He's under the impression that people with my tastes are the few, and maybe he's right, but it's hard to tell if that's true or not, because they don't seem to do any polling, and they have no analytics.

If you like the following content (in no particular order) you should sub to his Patreon & leave feedback:

(Note: all of the following is CONSENSUAL between legal aged adults).
FEMDOM (HEAVY); example, shey slapping up max, spitting on him, pissing on him, then having him worship her asshole.
ASS WORSHIP
SPITTING ON OR BEING SPITTED ON
TEASE AND DENIAL
BULLYING
MIGHT IS RIGHT
PISSING
PISS DRINKING
NETORARE
NETORI
CHEATING
ADULTERY
DESTROYING THE EMOTIONALLY WEAK AND FRAGILE, WHILE PRAISING THE STRONG
GANGBANGS
BREEDING
PREGNANCY
CHEATING
ADULTERY
THE BAD GUYS WINNING AND FUCKING THE GIRL; SIDING WITH THE BAD GUYS
CORRUPTION
EVIL PATHS
CUCKOLDING
TAVERN BAR GAMES; getting fondled, played with, fucked; think Karryn's Prison, while being surrounded by the most evil and corrupt men; true pieces of shit.
BROTHELS; whoring out, getting treated like shit, spit on, slapped up
INTERSPECIES or INTERRACIAL RACEPLAY
WOMEN LOSING THEIR POSITION OF POWER AND CONSENTING TO THE EVIL WHIMS OF BASE AND DISGUSTING MEN

The story might be headed for Max & Maya, walking around, being nice to everyone like good Samaritans, with some romantic sex here and there.

What do you find more erotic?
a) Superman fucking Supergirl (BORING) (VANILLA) (LIGHT HEARTED)
b) Lex Luthor fucking Supergirl (HOT) (DARK)

The developers are surrounded by Vanilla players, of whom most have never played porn games outside of Wild Life. They don't have the same fucked up perspective all you guys have; since so many of you have played tons of games on here.

Now is the time to sub to the Patreon and leave feedback, if you want to shape the story and its content in some small way, whether you like vanilla, light hearted, or evil and corrupt shit.

I'm worried that most of his player base are sick fucks like me, but they're too embarrassed to tell the developers all the DARK shit they're into, LOL.

One more thing, it would be cool if Adeptus Steve listed all the kinky stuff he's into, and it could help us decide how much $$$ we want to give via Patreon. Sometimes he brings up dark ideas, but then he'll say he wants more light hearted stuff? It's hard to tell how corrupted he is, and I don't want to upset or offend him, cuz I respect him a lot.

No matter what, more power to Adeptus Steve for staying true to how he feels and what he wants. I'm sure I'll still enjoy whatever he makes! CHEERS TO ADEPTUS AND EVERYONE! PEACE!

SUB TO THE PATREON AND LEAVE YOUR FEEDBACK. NOW IS THE TIME! It's only $1.00, you have nothing to lose.
Ohgod dude, I havent read all of this but please dont twist words I write. I never referred to those specific sets of themes as "whacky" it was a generalization that Id like to write a character to be have a clear focus around one theme instead of diluting his wirting with too much differing content. You could have saved so much time by talking to me instead of doing this.

Edit: Ok now I caught up. Sorry for reacting a bit strongly there. I think yours and my preferences arent too far apart and I definitely aim to have a diverse set of scenes and encounters ranging from very wholesome and romantic to as dark as we can make it without raising too many eyebrows. So overall I think you got some good points and the worries you expressed may be a bit exaggerated, but exter made a good point and its definitely something we consider deeply as we progress story and character writing.
 
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HardcoreCuddler

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FYI. The developer is developing the story & single player mode.

If any of you guys aren't subbed to the Patreon, but you like DARK content, and you're bored to death of Vanilla content, you should join the Patreon NOW for $1.00 and leave feedback. Tell the developers that you LIKE dark content for single player story and be specific. If you don't, the story could end up very vanilla; but if that's what you want, you could also still sub to the Patreon and tell them that you like the vanilla-wholesome direction they might be planning on going in.

The whacky options he's referring to are:
- HAREM
- NETORI
- NETORARE
- CUCKOLDING
- MAYA FUCKING THE BAD GUY, INSTEAD OF THE BORING GOOD GUY
- FEMDOM
- BULLYING
- BEATING UP PATHETIC MALES WHO ACT LIKE SOYBOY SIMP BITCHES


He's under the impression that people with my tastes are the few, and maybe he's right, but it's hard to tell if that's true or not, because they don't seem to do any polling, and they have no analytics.

If you like the following content (in no particular order) you should sub to his Patreon & leave feedback:

(Note: all of the following is CONSENSUAL between legal aged adults).
FEMDOM (HEAVY); example, shey slapping up max, spitting on him, pissing on him, then having him worship her asshole.
ASS WORSHIP
SPITTING ON OR BEING SPITTED ON
TEASE AND DENIAL
BULLYING
MIGHT IS RIGHT
PISSING
PISS DRINKING
NETORARE
NETORI
CHEATING
ADULTERY
DESTROYING THE EMOTIONALLY WEAK AND FRAGILE, WHILE PRAISING THE STRONG
GANGBANGS
BREEDING
PREGNANCY
CHEATING
ADULTERY
THE BAD GUYS WINNING AND FUCKING THE GIRL; SIDING WITH THE BAD GUYS
CORRUPTION
EVIL PATHS
CUCKOLDING
TAVERN BAR GAMES; getting fondled, played with, fucked; think Karryn's Prison, while being surrounded by the most evil and corrupt men; true pieces of shit.
BROTHELS; whoring out, getting treated like shit, spit on, slapped up
INTERSPECIES or INTERRACIAL RACEPLAY
WOMEN LOSING THEIR POSITION OF POWER AND CONSENTING TO THE EVIL WHIMS OF BASE AND DISGUSTING MEN

The story might be headed for Max & Maya, walking around, being nice to everyone like good Samaritans, with some romantic sex here and there.

What do you find more erotic?
a) Superman fucking Supergirl (BORING) (VANILLA) (LIGHT HEARTED)
b) Lex Luthor fucking Supergirl (HOT) (DARK)

The developers are surrounded by Vanilla players, of whom most have never played porn games outside of Wild Life. They don't have the same fucked up perspective all you guys have; since so many of you have played tons of games on here.

Now is the time to sub to the Patreon and leave feedback, if you want to shape the story and its content in some small way, whether you like vanilla, light hearted, or evil and corrupt shit.

I'm worried that most of his player base are sick fucks like me, but they're too embarrassed to tell the developers all the DARK shit they're into, LOL.

One more thing, it would be cool if Adeptus Steve listed all the kinky stuff he's into, and it could help us decide how much $$$ we want to give via Patreon. Sometimes he brings up dark ideas, but then he'll say he wants more light hearted stuff? It's hard to tell how corrupted he is, and I don't want to upset or offend him, cuz I respect him a lot.

No matter what, more power to Adeptus Steve for staying true to how he feels and what he wants. I'm sure I'll still enjoy whatever he makes! CHEERS TO ADEPTUS AND EVERYONE! PEACE!

SUB TO THE PATREON AND LEAVE YOUR FEEDBACK. NOW IS THE TIME! It's only $1.00, you have nothing to lose.
what the fuck
 
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Short Summary: Devs are making the single player story. They want ideas from players. Now is a good time to sub to their patreon and leave feedback based on what kinks you're into, and what you envision from the story when playing Max or Maya.
I hope they made it a choices story tbh, I dunno from everything you listed what makes me be against is "Cuckolding", and "netorare". Not to kink shame of course but I find hurting other people's feelings problematic, and so it doesn't turn me on.
I mean I am a woman and I don't like it, I prefer foursome, like sharing couples, no one is getting hurt and its also dirty. I hope they have this on their story.
I also I agree with exter, the direction the games goes, has potential to surpass Klub17, Honey select etc.
I hope and wish for the best for the game.
 
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This is fair. I actually brought this up in their discord. If they need to go vanilla to avoid getting into trouble, then so be it. I totally support that.

It also confirms that my Patreon support is PURELY for the sandbox. They said they're open to expanding the sandbox in a huge way later on, but it's not set in stone. Imagine if you could make your own basic, mini stories in sandbox, then share it with the community? It would have basic plot flags, dialogue manager, etc. You could make custom dialogue for the npc's. I've already begun to write the code in blueprints. Unreal Engine blueprints is very fluid. Then we could make all that kinky, dark content, and share it with the community.
YES that's what I want, to make my own stories, I dunno I always liked these creative games like Klub17 and Honey select.
 
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ihatefleas

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Sorry for reacting a bit strongly there. I think yours and my preferences arent too far apart and I definitely aim to have a diverse set of scenes and encounters ranging from very wholesome and romantic to as dark as we can make it without raising too many eyebrows.
Be careful man, I'm sure that you're aware of this but Patreon monitors what content creators are doing and saying outside of Patreon as well. This might as well be interpreted by their Trust & Safety Team ™ that you intend to bend the rules somewhat. Content creators have gotten into trouble for less - I doubt that Patreon actually observes this site but this kind of paranoia is not entirely unjustified.
 

hakarlman

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I hope they made it a choices story tbh, I dunno from everything you listed what makes me be against is "Cuckolding", and "netorare". Not to kink shame of course but I find hurting other people's feelings problematic, and so it doesn't turn me on.
I mean I am a woman and I don't like it, I prefer foursome, like sharing couples, no one is getting hurt and its also dirty. I hope they have this on their story.
I also I agree with exter, the direction the games goes, has potential to surpass Klub17, Honey select etc.
I hope and wish for the best for the game.
I love masochism and/or sadism. But, I also like swinging couples who have mutual respect for each other; like in the game adventurous couple; no one's feeling being hurt, etc. So if you subbed to their patreon and left feedback in their discord, and that's something that interested the devs, I would like and upvote your idea with the emojii's.

Do you want to see Max & Maya be a couple, and get into swinging or something similar? Forgive me for being curious, I just enjoy talking about this stuff, hah!
 
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I love masochism and/or sadism. But, I also like swinging couples who have mutual respect for each other; like in the game adventurous couple; no one's feeling being hurt, etc. So if you subbed to their patreon and left feedback in their discord, and that's something that interested the devs, I would like and upvote your idea with the emojii's.

Do you want to see Max & Maya be a couple, and get into swinging or something similar? Forgive me for being curious, I just enjoy talking about this stuff, hah!
I mean, I dont like "cuckolding" personally, cause one person gets hurt. I dont want my partner to feel less of himself/herself (I am BI).
So instead I prefer if my partner is interested on this to share each other with other couple, since thats what they like. I was personally in a relationship with a guy who wanted me to go with other men, but that actually turned me off personally cause he was very insecure about himself, but also because "Cuckolding" relationships believe it or not are very abusive relationships (and its not the one cheating who is the abusive, like the popular belief does), and I don't like it at all. So instead if my partner is into sharing me with other people, I instead encourage swinging so no one gets hurt, although I am not into swinging very hard. I am very mutual respect person.

I dont ship Max and Maya so hard, although I ship them, I ship Max x Shey mostly instead, or Max x Jadeen. Thats just my personal preference of course. Or Tommas x Shey, Tommas x Jadeen since he shares Max animations, and he is also very attractive if not more as Max.
 

sleighrx

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Because we need to be reasonable with resources. Maintaing a complete character skeleton involves a lot of work to make sure all movement, combat, facial, sex and routine animations are complete and functional. That simply wasnt worth it for a character with very similar proportions to the Sethro skeleton. So the plan is to move the Yason and Ryan models to the sethro skeleton while retaining their faces as much as possible. That way we save a lot of resources that can be spent in areas where they are more needed, like improving quality of dialogue animations or something.
I'm all for that idea. As long as you add their animations as well.

In fact, I don't think you need more than 3 skeletons for men (Max, Sethro, Bol) and 2 for women (Maya, Shey) - just attach separate face models, and use a base body whose appearance is based on slider settings. Get the chest, waist, hips, butt, and thighs to go from a skinny, flat chest and butt to a bubble-butt, pork-belly, "serious back problems" type female. That way we could have a Maya model that looks like a shorter Shey type (HEL-LOOOO Michelle Rodriguez! *drool*:love:), a Shey that could be a tall, thin runway model, and a Mercer I would actually want to see naked.:p On the Sethro skeleton, you could have Corman on one end of the slider selection and Iljah on the other end, and all combos in between.

If possible, I humbly suggest that you make the head models a separate piece that works with all bodies of each gender. So you could, say, put Max's head on Bol's body and get a ex-farmboy machine-gunner character.

This way, you guys wouldn't have to spend so much in resources to make completely new models and the animations to go with them. Just design a new face model, slap it onto the skeletons and fiddle around with the sliders until you have a default body. It would also make hair models more easier to adjust (of course, you could put sliders on those too, to adjust for head shapes). You would probably have easier clothing issues as well.

Just a thought.
 
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Vakul

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Don't see any reasons, why "vanilla" should be boring. We have tribal setting where harems are pretty vanilla, for example.
We have furries, who might have their own opinions of vanilla, especially if they have heat periods.
So I'm asking - that missing girl found spending her quality time with doggo - is it vanilla?
And what if that doggo wll be futa instead? Is it vanilla?
And what if MC could actually join them? Is is still too vanilla for ya?
What if girl who asked MC to find them is like "Hmm, that damn doggo again! You know, how about you take this lube and find out how deep is doggo hole is?"
And i'm not even start to fuel my imagination on full power. And i'm not even started to break lore - all i said is already possible wthin game setting and it would not break the story.
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What I want to say to all of u wanting some controversary shi... themes like netorare, cucks, etc. There is some rules in gamedesign. One rule says about moodbreakers. Mood breaker is shit wich breaks the mood.(quite unexpected, no?)
For our beach pair it can be like:
- Find my sexy girlfriend! (player like oh, I'm expecting something hot already)
- oh, my, she is humping the doggo again! (player - oh, yeah, and it is kinda hot! )
-you know what, you should join them, my frieng like some oral action... (player - oh, man, it is getting even hotter!)
-... and when mi girlfriend start to climax ... (player - yeeeees?)
-... KILL THEM BOTH WITH THIS KNIFE! (player - WHAT THE F?!)
And that things cam break ANY story of ANY game. And it especially dangerous for adult gaming, coz that games is about creating the right mood. With most of the audience hating that kind things problem is - how to separate that audience.
You can implement shitload of flags, so users could switch those type scenes on and off, but is a whole ton of extra work. It is wiser just to avoid that - especially with this mighty sandbox editor.
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To summarize this tons of text - do not break the mood. Some advirtizing to increase numbers of patrons may be good, but breaking the mood - is definitely bad.
 
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hakarlman

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Don't see any reasons, why "vanilla" should be boring. We have tribal setting where harems are pretty vanilla, for example.
We have furries, who might have their own opinions of vanilla, especially if they have heat periods.
So I'm asking - that missing girl found spending her quality time with doggo - is it vanilla?
And what if that doggo wll be futa instead? Is it vanilla?
And what if MC could actually join them? Is is still too vanilla for ya?
What if girl who asked MC to find them is like "Hmm, that damn doggo again! You know, how about you take this lube and find out how deep is doggo hole is?"
And i'm not even start to fuel my imagination on full power. And i'm not even started to break lore - all i said is already possible wthin game setting and it would not break the story.
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What I want to say to all of u wanting some controversary shi... themes like netorare, cucks, etc. There is some rules in gamedesign. One rule says about moodbrakers. Mood braker is shit wich breaks the mood.(quite unexpected, no?)
For our beach pair it can be like:
- Find my sexy girlfriend! (player like oh, I'm expecting something hot already)
- oh, my, she is humping the doggo again! (player - oh, yeah, and it is kinda hot! )
-you know what, you should join them, my frieng like some oral action... (player - oh, man, it is getting even hotter!)
-... and when mi girlfriend start to climax ... (player - yeeeees?)
-... KILL THEM BOTH WITH THIS KNIFE! (player - WHAT THE F?!)
And that things cam break ANY story of ANY game. And it especially dangerous for adult gaming, coz that games is about creating the right mood. With most of the audience hating that kind things problem is - how to separate that audience.
You can implement shitload of flags, so users could switch those type scenes on and off, but is a whole ton of extra work. It is wiser just to avoid that - especially with this mighty sandbox editor.
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To summarize this tons of text - do not break the mood. Some advirtizing to increase numbers of patrons may be good, but breaking the mood - is definitely bad.
You don't know how refreshing it is to see someone bring up the importance of preserving erotic mood, erotic pacing, erotic momentum. That's why I love this forum. Their discord doesn't have enough people with your point of view. Most of them have never played any porn games, except for Carnal Instinct. When I ask people in the discord, "What porn games have you played?", they don't know how to respond, and instead bring up how they modded their Skyrim or Fallout; which is totally cool btw, but the ones who do talk in discord don't have the common F95zone user perspective, and I think that's BAD. So the developers are getting feedback from players who haven't really played a lot of porn games. For the record, Adeptus Steve is very, VERY WISE to come check things on this forum, he gets so much respect for that! :love:

I agree with what you said. Presenting dialogue choices and options does not break the mood, instead it works to preserve the mood by allowing the player to seek what they want, but like you said, it's A LOT of work.

Here is their current RAW quest dialogue model. (In no way am I implying this is final. It's not, it's Adeptus Steve's rough draft model. My guess is that it's what came out naturally, as he tapped into his creativity, but he also approach is from business standpoint. If you guys sub to his Patreon, you can leave quest ideas as feedback! He wants that kind of information.) It goes something like this, it's simple, but effective:

Code:
Current Raw Model - Figure A
- Is player interested in this sex scenario?
1) Yes.
2) Yes, but they want another NPC to do the sex.
3) No
Player goes from quest to quest, if they're into it, they accept and/or optionally choose another npc to do the sex, if not they move on.
I would suggest an alternate simple model, so the work load still remains fairly low:
Code:
Alternate Model - Figure B
- Is player interested in this sex scenario?
1) Yes.
2) Yes, but they want another NPC to do the sex.
3) No.
4) Option that contrasts the tone of the quest. This option can be the most kinkiest, darkest things that Adeptus Steve is into, but without breaking any companies TOS; 100% consensual and legal.  This option can be interpreted as the opposite of whatever content the quest presents. E.g If the quest is evil in nature, this option becomes the light path. If the quest is light hearted, this option becomes the evil route. This option doesn't always have to be present.
EDIT: Maybe this 4th option is actually just another quest, that contrasts this quest. So there isn't a fourth option, unless it's purpose is to enable a new quest that presents an evil path?
Of course, another concern is if the quest experience becomes too formulaic, so perhaps switching from Figure A & B, or another simple Figure C.

I would type this in their discord, but I don't want to be rude or impolite. I hate being the only guy in there that talks about this stuff. I'm also no expert, I just leave feedback based on what I learned. You guys have TONS of experience with games on f95zone, IMO, their discord needs your perspective.

I hope Adeptus Steve reads the following:

CREATING MAYA ROLEPLAYS - Learning from mistakes and or good aspects of other porn games

I strongly recommend checking out other porn games on here featuring a female protagonist on the path of corruption: https://f95zone.to/sam/latest_alpha/#/cat=games/page=1/tags=103,392/sort=likes - This gives you a list of all porn games based on : MOST LIKES(Popularity) / Female Protagonist / Corruption
- Third Crisis (TAVERN MINI GAME) featuring a protagonist similar to Cinderella;Cinder. The main girl loses her position of power and has to cater to the whims of base and disgusting men to find her girlfriend.
- Kingdom of Deception - Sabia takes jobs at a Tavern and Brothel, she used to be in a position of power as a General. Maya is also in a position of power; the daughter of a Great Chief? I wonder if Maya loses that power, and ends up in a situation where she's at whims of disgusting, assholish men.
- Karryn's Prison - Karryn is in a position of power, she works as a Warden of a prison full of the most disgusting and base men and creatures. The Prison ends up having a TAVERN and she works in it, it's a crazy concept that works very well.

Each one of the above games has a Tavern mini game or setting which is VERY erotic. Adeptus Steve has been doing a lot of Tavern stuff in discord. Checking out the above games would give a lot of inspiration, insight, and you could learn from the mistakes made from these games, or gain inspiration from the stuff they do well.

Anything Adeptus makes will be ten times better than anything on here, due to Wild Life having TripleA quality. Even though I'm a sick bastard, I actually enjoyed the Demo A LOT, and the Demo was fairly vanilla; if you don't count the animal genitalia, lol.
 
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All I have to say regarding the story is that I find the current concept of the Kerpali as native born humans who have been infected with a lycanthropic disease to be way more interesting than if they were just aliens. I particularly liked the conversation the player has with the tiger woman in the demo, along with having her do something really interesting and unique to her “species” (clawing at a scratching post). I hope you keep exploring that concept with the other Kerpali characters. Maybe even have some of them feel conflicted about their condition and try to seek a cure, while others go the obvious Avatar route and try to fight the mercenary occupiers.

Quests should focus on world building. If the player is asked to do a mundane task, it should introduce a cool element of the world and lead into a greater conflict. For example, fetching water for a village because there’s a terrible drought, only to come across a greedy merchant who is hoarding all the water and making things worse. The player can choose to work for the merchant or unite with the village against him. And of course you can also fuck him, because this is a porn game.
 
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