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Another "why hasn't a small team of non-professional devs with limited funds implemented an entire complex story with several hours worth of content including crafting, building, and fighting mechanics along with dialogue and dozens of sex animations in less than a few years?" argument. Which has been done to death already in this thread.

You said it yourself. They aimed high with their ambitions. That doesn't mean their aim was "too high". Their goal is a very big and complex one. And as such it takes a long time, especially with their limitations. Obviously they have to start off with the basics. Meaning they have to lay down the groundwork for the animations, graphics, map, dialogue, quests, fighting mechanics, etc. They are progressing at a pretty reasonable rate. Especially when you consider everything that's being done "behind the scenes".

It still takes major game companies around two years to put out a game even when they have 100+ people working on it and virtually unlimited resources and funds. Not sure what you guys expect from a team of less than two dozen who rely solely on Patreon support for funds.

"Another "why hasn't a small team of non-professional devs with limited funds implemented an entire complex story with several hours worth of content including crafting, building, and fighting mechanics along with dialogue and dozens of sex animations in less than a few years?"

i know your whiteknighting for your gamedeveloper. but that isn,t even close to what i said. keep the strawman up tho.

nobody reasonable is expecting a finished product by now. how ever what people do expect is a prove of concept after that time of all mechanics advertised after 4 years. which has not happened.how can you blame people that come here and then complain that what is advertised isn,t even in the game in a basic form?


they aren,t a small team of developers for over a year now. so it really is time that argument dies in a fire. and have you ever considered that if you are a small team maybe it isn,t that smart to have such ambitions in the first place? why would you ever as an unproffesional small team(as you said) take such a complex task of developing a game that is clearly to high above your weight class? it,s like taking a test that you have not learned for, and after you undoubtly fail you blame the test. it,s a very childish way of aproaching things.

small amount of funding? they have been raking in 80k+ also for a year now. and where dancing around 50k income in the years before.not triple A levels of income. but still large enough to get a well rounded demo ready which shows all that is advertised. not seeing any of that.

"they are progressing at a reasonable rate" uhm..... no? almost 4 solid years later and what do we have?very good animations yes i agree. but not even the basic ground work has been laid for the Story/Quest or even game mechanics and all other stuff you mentioned. just 6 months ago they added a shooting range room that consisted of assets primarly from unreal engine store. in the meantime nothing has happened on that mechanic as well. it's all very last minute,bone trowing, low effort focus that is being put on the other mechanics.so if people who see the tags the game is advertised with.go check it out and see nothing is representative of what developers is saying, they complain. strange isn,t it?


"it still take major game companies around two years to put out a game........." maybe but atleast those game companies start advertising whats in the game IF they have something to show for it. unlike WildLife where it,s all based on wishfull thinking,without having delivered even a shred of evidence they are capable of making a game the scale they want it to be.

what they have proven is being able to produce very good Sex simulation style of animation. so why not focus on that. give your patrons the Bread and games they want. and drop everything else that just isn,t worth the trouble like Story/Quest. start removing the wishfull thinking advertising and just go full Sex Sim mode.thats where the talent lies with the developers anyway so why not make full use of it?
 

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I dont quite get what your point is. Arent they doing exactly that right now? Producing dozens of sex animations every new release, giving you something new every time. New characters, new animations, new locations.
If the story and complex game mechancis arent visible right now doesnt mean much, they are probably working on that in parallel but you dont see it becuse it takes much longer to get to a presentable state in those areas.

But honestly, you seem to be just an other one of those know-it-alls that thinks he knows how the world works - no offence. Good for you man but you think writing half a book's worth of comments here of all places is going to make the devs change course? They are one of the highest earning patreon projects so that pretty much tells that they are doing a lot of things right. Yes, the project lacks shit here and there, but time might fix that and all in all their concepts seems to be working fairly well for them.

You can drop a "mark my words" and make a prediction for 2022. If nothing changed by then then yeah, Id probably start to think like you too but as it stands now, they probably still need to figure out a bunch of thigs we cant see from here.

In the end if you are really that passionate about this then go actually talk to them directly and tell them this. Id be interested what they themselves would say about it.
 

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Oh of course, anyone who tries to defend the devs of a project they support is just a stupid "whiteknight". It couldn't possibly be anything else, could it? Saying things like that really just ruins any credibility you have.

"what people do expect is a prove of concept after that time of all mechanics advertised after 4 years. which has not happened"
Literally the entire thing is a proof of concept right now. In fact, that's the only thing it is right now. They introduced the sex scenes and character interactions, a basic quest to show off how the main quests are going to work, two basic fight scenes to show off the fighting mechanics, and there are some things to craft at the campfire to show off the crafting system.

"they aren,t a small team of developers for over a year now"
Perhaps compared to most games here it isn't a "small" team, but considering their goals, yes. And as you stated, their team was far smaller a year ago, which further supports my arguments as to why progress isn't to your liking.

"have you ever considered that if you are a small team maybe it isn,t that smart to have such ambitions in the first place?"
And who are you to decide how big of a goal someone should have? Isn't "dream big" the most generic motivational slogan out there? Do you just give up on your dreams if someone else tells you they're too ambitious for you? Or do you tell them to piss off and go prove them wrong?

"small amount of funding? they have been raking in 80k+ also for a year now"
Again, it's a lot compared to most games around here. But not when you consider their goals. Perhaps I spoke too generically when I said "small amount of funding". I was merely expressing that money is still a concern for them, compared to major game companies.

""they are progressing at a reasonable rate" uhm..... no?"
Uhm... yes? Again, as you pointed out, their team before last year was far smaller than it is now (which still isn't that big) so I don't see how this is that unreasonable.

"but not even the basic ground work has been laid for the Story/Quest or even game mechanics and all other stuff you mentioned."
It literally is. Have you even played recently? All of that stuff has had basic ground work laid out for some time.

"just 6 months ago they added a shooting range room that consisted of assets primarly from unreal engine store"
That is just a test-bed mainly for the devs as the main story will be utilizing shooter mechanics. There are no further plans for it until the main story is implemented.

"...all based on wishfull thinking,without having delivered even a shred of evidence they are capable of making a game the scale they want it to be."
Everything in the game right now is a "shred of evidence" of what they are capable of. They have laid the groundwork for pretty much everything they want to add to show people what they can expect. And whether you like to believe it or not, they have been working on the main quest and all other major aspects of the game (along side of adding new sex scenes and fixing bugs) for a while now and expect them to be released this year.

"what they have proven is being able to produce very good Sex simulation style of animation. so why not focus on that"
Simple. That's not the game they want to develop. They want an open world survival sex game, so that's what they're gonna do. I'm sure there are other games out there that are just Sex Sims and nothing else. But this isn't what the devs want Wild Life to be. So if you, or anyone else, thinks that the quests and all that other stuff are just a waste of time, then what are you doing here? This game obviously isn't what you're looking for if you only want the sex.
 

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This is the most interactive sex game I have ever seen and disrespecting it is a whole new level of dumb. It's not about being a white knight to the devs EVER! You can switch POVS, Clothes, Scenes, Speed, Variations of said scenes, Spawn in characters, Fly? Like??? What is there to complain about? Yes it could use some work and has a lot of progress that can be made to it, but you're supposed to appreciate it for the master piece it is today, because not many games are this high quality and wait for perfection to arrive in the future
 
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This is the most interactive sex game I have ever seen and disrespecting it is a whole new level of dumb. It's not about being a white knight to the devs EVER! You can switch POVS, Clothes, Scenes, Speed, Variations of said scenes, Spawn in characters, Fly? Like??? What is there to complain about? Yes it could use some work and has a lot of progress that can be made to it, but you're supposed to appreciate it for the master piece it is today, because not many games are this high quality and wait for perfection to arrive in the future
Its not interactive TBH.. Try XstoryPlayer 3.5 you'll see what real interactivity looks like..(you can even remove characters cloths just like in real world)
Wildlife is just a animation player with some cosmetics for customization.
 
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Its not interactive TBH.. Try XstoryPlayer 3.5 you'll see what real interactivity looks like..(you can even remove characters cloths just like in real world)
Wildlife is just a animation player with some cosmetics for customization.
The animation quality just ruined it for me.... you can think what you want and i'll do the same
 

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Its not interactive TBH.. Try XstoryPlayer 3.5 you'll see what real interactivity looks like..(you can even remove characters cloths just like in real world)
Wildlife is just a animation player with some cosmetics for customization.
Kind of hard to try a game that no longer exists and hasn't for three years.
 

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in my humble opinion it still isn't to late for them to admit they aimed to high with their ambitions and just scrap all the Story/Quest stuff and just go all in on the Sex animations
But why would they do that? From the beginning this game was supposed to be more than just the sex scenes. And I'm willing to bet they're working on things like quests and story while they're pumping out builds with sex scenes. There's been a large increase in their dev team, but not a proportional increase in the amount or quality of sex scenes as far as I can tell. And that should mean that a part of the team is working on stuff we cannot see (yet).

Another "why hasn't a small team of non-professional devs with limited funds implemented an entire complex story with several hours worth of content including crafting, building, and fighting mechanics along with dialogue and dozens of sex animations in less than a few years?" argument. Which has been done to death already in this thread.
That's not at all what he said and I don't know where you're getting that from.

They are progressing at a pretty reasonable rate. Especially when you consider everything that's being done "behind the scenes".
Could you give some examples of what they've done behind the scenes? Do you mean the stuff that is implemented and published but not visible, or the things that are not yet implemented and published but they're working on?

not even the basic ground work has been laid for the Story/Quest or even game mechanics and all other stuff you mentioned.
I'd like to hear your definition of a basic groundwork. For a long time now a quest system has been in the game, and it's been longer still that they've been working on it. The story stuff is scarce, but from the beginning we've had some lore bits that you could read.

but atleast those game companies start advertising whats in the game IF they have something to show for it.
Not really comparable. The advertisements of mainstream triple A games are meant for the end users, the players. And the marketing we get from Patreon is more comparable to the marketing triple A devs would also do with their investors, bosses, etc. Patreon is not where you go to buy a finished product. You support the developer. And a developer will have to convince potential supporters that they're worth supporting. And more often than not that means promises.

So if you, or anyone else, thinks that the quests and all that other stuff are just a waste of time, then what are you doing here?
The answer to that should be obvious. The majority of the builds thus far from the very beginning has been the sex scenes. So it's only logical that this game would then attract the crowd that's mainly interested in those sex scenes.
 

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Not really comparable. The advertisements of mainstream triple A games are meant for the end users, the players. And the marketing we get from Patreon is more comparable to the marketing triple A devs would also do with their investors, bosses, etc. Patreon is not where you go to buy a finished product. You support the developer. And a developer will have to convince potential supporters that they're worth supporting. And more often than not that means promises.
THIS, this and again: THIS!
This pretty much kicks just about every argument of "weee why is my game not finished, why are they promising stuff that I cant see right now?" into the dumpster where it belongs.
 
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"That's not at all what he said and I don't know where you're getting that from."

That's exactly what he was saying. The bulk of his complaints is from not understanding why a game of this scale isn't completed, or at least mostly completed.

"Could you give some examples of what they've done behind the scenes"
Everything that has to do with main game features. Including the story, dialogue, adding a basic crafting and building system, and fleshing out the fighting mechanics. As far as I know, they have at least two teams working on different things. One team does the main features such as the story and etc, the other works on animations and bug fixes and stuff like that. Most updates we see are the smaller things when the one team finishes new animations or fixes something. We just don't see what the other team was working on because it's not ready to be put into the game yet.

"The majority of the builds thus far from the very beginning has been the sex scenes"
Yes, I understand that, but doing some quick research on the game before you even download it will show that its goal is far beyond just walking around hand having sex with any living thing you find. It just seems silly to me to complain that a game has, or will have, features that you don't like. When I see a game that piques my interest, I make sure I understand what it's all about and what its goals are for the future before I click the download button.
 

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All this white knighting going on made me think i was in a yandere simulator thread
So apparently, any criticism about any game ever made is 100% valid every time, and any attempts to dispute said criticism can only considered mindless white-knighting.

Good to know.
 

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That's exactly what he was saying.
Our understanding of the word "exactly" differ greatly.
As far as I know, they have at least two teams working on different things.
I am under that impression as well, but now that I think about it I don't know whether that's actually confirmed by the devs themselves. As far as I know it could be a rumor started in this thread.
but doing some quick research on the game before you even download it will show that its goal is far beyond just walking around hand having sex with any living thing you find.
Doing research before you download the game? Are you kidding me? How many people on this forum do you think will do that? And even still, that doesn't change what the current content of the game primarily consists of.
When I see a game that piques my interest, I make sure I understand what it's all about and what its goals are for the future before I click the download button.
When I see a game that piques my interest, I download it first of all to try it out for myself. No better way to get an impression of the quality and content in my opinion.
 
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"Our understanding of the word "exactly" differ greatly."

If you say so. I'm not really sure what you thought he was saying, but it definitely seemed like he was complaining about it not being finished fast enough. Such as this quote right here: "the game has been in development since late 2016. and while it improved massivly animation wise it hasn't advanced anything substantially in the other area,s the developers said they would focus on like story,mechanics and actual gameplay. and the things they did add on those points just feel like they flex taped it on the last moment to make it not too obvious that at this point, besides a beatifull animation viewer. the game is going nowhere, or atleast not in the direction they advertise it will go." I interpret that as: "The game only has nice animations, but that all stopped once they began focusing on things that, in my personal opinion, are unimportant, even though the devs made it clear from the beginning that the entire point of this game are those exact features."

"I am under that impression as well, but now that I think about it I don't know whether that's actually confirmed by the devs themselves"
It has been brought up in the Discord a few times that I've seen. Steve never commented on it himself, but some of the other team members have.

"How many people on this forum do you think will do that"
Obviously not many, but that's their problem. How on Earth do you think it's appropriate to download a game you know next to nothing about, then when you find out it wasn't what you expected, proceed to complain that it wasn't what you expected? Especially when there is plenty of information out there telling you exactly what you can expect from it.

"When I see a game that piques my interest, I download it first of all to try it out for myself"
And that's just fine. But if it turns out that it wasn't what you expected despite there being information telling you what you should expect, then you can't complain that it wasn't what you expected.

I get that it's frustrating to see a game that's been in development for some time appear to be going nowhere. And there are some games that just milk their supporters for money by making empty promises without doing anything. But I don't believe that's the case here. Steve regularly posts development updates on his Patreon and shows off what he's doing on the Discord. He even regularly streams when he's working on the game features. He's literally proving that the stuff they promise are being worked on. They just take time. Lots of time. I just don't think it's fair when people more or less accuse the devs of raking in money while doing nothing significant to the game, because that is not what's happening here. So yes, I try to defend them. And if that makes me a "white knight" as some people suggest, then so be it.
 

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I interpret that as: "The game only has nice animations, but that all stopped once they began focusing on things that, in my personal opinion, are unimportant, even though the devs made it clear from the beginning that the entire point of this game are those exact features."
I think you got the wrong idea. He was saying that the animations are good, but the game lacks the other things that have been promised for a long time now. But maybe WeaponizedAutism can clarify?
How on Earth do you think it's appropriate to download a game you know next to nothing about, then when you find out it wasn't what you expected, proceed to complain that it wasn't what you expected?
But if it turns out that it wasn't what you expected despite there being information telling you what you should expect, then you can't complain that it wasn't what you expected.
That's not what's going on, though. It's the opposite. People know of the promises they've made in the past and noticed that the game is lacking in those areas.
I just don't think it's fair when people more or less accuse the devs of raking in money while doing nothing significant to the game, because that is not what's happening here.
Okay, so you do have the right idea. Look, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Yes, implementing those things takes time and effort. More so than adding new animations which already have the required systems in place. But it took them years to come out with a build that had anything resembling a quest. And when they did, it was heavily criticized because of how broken and lackluster it was. I believe they've since decided to not publish that work as often. And while I understand that they would do that in order to minimize people complaining about WIP stuff, it also brings with it the impression that it's not being worked on as actively.

Bottom line is, people will always find a reason to complain and you can never win.
 

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I mean, white knighting or not, we can all agree that too many so called "criticisms" people write on this place are impulsive reactionary tantrums by those who really dont know anything about the game. Now if that lack of knowledge is because they didnt do any reasonable research before spilling their comments in here or because the dev simply hasnt provided needed information yet doesnt matter. People post uninformed BS here all the time and its annoying and I and several other people make efforts to shed some light into the matters or at least try to reason with people and get them to not be so irrational.
Nothing bad about that.

The dev of the game frequents this place too so its almost rude to put these passive aggressive comments in here while you could legit just formulate a polite and to-the-point question aimed directly at the dev. Who knows, best case they actually answer. But no, its easier to just write "this """game""" sucks its just animation viewier, dev wont ever finish" and expect him to make a statement from below. Dont you think it would be better to meet them with feedback that is eye-to-eye?
Honestly if the dev is actually willing to do that in here Id be quite positively surprised and would respect and appreciate that, but I cant expect it from them given the rather hostile nature of many individuals in here.
 

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"I think you got the wrong idea"

Perhaps. I honestly have a difficult time interpreting some of what they've been saying. So it's possible I've been reading them the wrong way.

"People know of the promises they've made in the past and noticed that the game is lacking in those areas"
I know, but what I've been trying to say is that some people jump to the conclusion that because they haven't seen them yet, they aren't going to see it at all. And, for the reasons I mentioned earlier, I can can understand that to a point, as other games were/are like that. But I know in Wild Life's case, there seems to be plenty of evidence that those things are being worked on. Sometimes you just have to dig around for it.

"More so than adding new animations which already have the required systems in place"
I definitely agree with you there. I know they keep adding new animations and characters due to pressure from many of their supporters, so they do that to appease them. But I really think it would be in their best interest to focus solely on pushing out the main story and all of the survival mechanics at this point. As well as major bug fixes. There are a lot of people like me who are more interested in the story and the survival aspects along with the sex scenes, rather than just the sex scenes on their own. So I'm hoping they get those parts out soon. I know they are working on it so I'm staying patient.

"Bottom line is, people will always find a reason to complain and you can never win"
Yep, that's the sad truth. No matter what devs decide to do, someone is going to be upset. All I ask is that they eventually release what they promise. But if not, I've only given them $10 to try out one of the more recent versions of the game, so it isn't much of a loss for me. Just a big disappointment lol. But I have never been given the impression that the devs are going to drop this anytime soon, so I'm staying hopeful.
 
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