If a dev's burnt out from developing their game, then starting from scratch and making it even more complex isn't going to help. The burnout to remake to abandonment pipeline is very real and people tend to assume the worst when remakes are announced.
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Games will get abandoned or continued one way or another.
We're effectively getting nothing but first drafts with every update of every game.
If actually novels were forced into the same system as visual novels nothing would ever get finished. Novels undergo multiple drafts and stories can get changed and fixed multiple times before going to get published. If authors were trapped with their first drafts they'd probably abandon their works more frequently too.
VN developers feeling and being trapped in their first drafts, in ideas the no longer work for their vision of the story, would explain a lot just abandoning their projects.
People are harsh enough of here, often without paying, even when things are good and going smoothly, let alone when people think there's flaws in any given work. I'm no exception, but complaining about reworks or remakes isn't going to change anything
We're effectively getting nothing but first drafts with every update of every game.
If actually novels were forced into the same system as visual novels nothing would ever get finished. Novels undergo multiple drafts and stories can get changed and fixed multiple times before going to get published. If authors were trapped with their first drafts they'd probably abandon their works more frequently too.
VN developers feeling and being trapped in their first drafts, in ideas the no longer work for their vision of the story, would explain a lot just abandoning their projects.
People are harsh enough of here, often without paying, even when things are good and going smoothly, let alone when people think there's flaws in any given work. I'm no exception, but complaining about reworks or remakes isn't going to change anything
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Alright so I will be spreading this around on all sites that this game is on. Warning. Don't support this dev. If you did and you disliked any changes they will be a complete jackass. It all started today with the release of the new looks for one of the girls. I didn't like it. So I commented this.
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My post on his Discord before leaving it.
```Well goodbye to this game. It's all over. More complexity. Remake for no reason. And new art for girls look like crap. I am dropping this game. I am so sick of remakes for no reason and than it's a downgrade to the original game. Waited forever for an update to get this type of news. This is how you kill a game so many have died from these stupid decisions. ```
I'm also rating this game as being destroyed by developer under reviews.
I also posted on Itchio what the developer has done to this game. Another game destroyed by an idiot developer whose taste have appeared to turn weird. Yuri looks like some damn idiotic Joker wannabe! Let's watch how his Patreons flee after this idiotic move.
```Well goodbye to this game. It's all over. More complexity. Remake for no reason. And new art for girls look like crap. I am dropping this game. I am so sick of remakes for no reason and than it's a downgrade to the original game. Waited forever for an update to get this type of news. This is how you kill a game so many have died from these stupid decisions. ```
I'm also rating this game as being destroyed by developer under reviews.
I also posted on Itchio what the developer has done to this game. Another game destroyed by an idiot developer whose taste have appeared to turn weird. Yuri looks like some damn idiotic Joker wannabe! Let's watch how his Patreons flee after this idiotic move.
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I just don't get it. You have a popular game with hours of work that people love and support. Then, you decide to do something unnecessary and stupid by doing a remake or changing art styles completely. Amity Park (the anime artstyle is trash and takes away from the Danny Phantom looks), Re:Hero Academy did a remake which made everything from version one pointless, and now this with a remake and horrible designs. If people love your product, there isn't any need to change it. I'm with the others on the designs. If the dev is really going with those designs for the remake, then I'm out too.
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Well I haven't played this in a while and decided to check in on it and good lord those new designs look bad
The new look isn't jarring, it's downright shit. It looks like he's doing artwork for some shitty mobile game being marketed to little girls.
Either way, was pretty obvious that he was a garbage dev when he announced the rework/remake. At first when I saw rework I though it might be a good thing to be a shot at fixing this game's biggest problems, that it was too complex and that finding specific scenes and paths was way too convoluted. Apparently the dev thought that the game's biggest problem was that it wasn't convoluted enough and wanted to add even more complexity to a game that needed less. The game has, or maybe after he reworks it I should say had, very good storytelling and some of the most clever use of music for foreshadowing I'd ever seen in an AVN but it's in development hell and I doubt I'll ever touch it again.
Either way, was pretty obvious that he was a garbage dev when he announced the rework/remake. At first when I saw rework I though it might be a good thing to be a shot at fixing this game's biggest problems, that it was too complex and that finding specific scenes and paths was way too convoluted. Apparently the dev thought that the game's biggest problem was that it wasn't convoluted enough and wanted to add even more complexity to a game that needed less. The game has, or maybe after he reworks it I should say had, very good storytelling and some of the most clever use of music for foreshadowing I'd ever seen in an AVN but it's in development hell and I doubt I'll ever touch it again.
Damm what a jackass well we allready know another dev to put in the shit list a shame. I liked what i played of this game a long time . Well after seeing the remakes of characters i will not like it anca nivali levels some devs in his discords act like cult liders and sects damm some people on this discords act like they have a lobotomy.
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Also, what kind of pussy do you have to be to get so bent out of shape over a negative opinion that you threaten someone over it? My God. And I thought the Sensitive Sallys over on this site were bad. Guess what? Opinions don't have to be constructive in any way, shape, or form.
It is not just the awful art the Developer if you read that one persons copy paste acts toxic because you don't like the awful teenager art.
This current world we live in is such a toxic environment from just 10 years ago you give any opinions and you are either a racist or a troll. I can't believe how bad the world has gotten in the last 5 years or so.
- Talk Politics you can get fired
- Say something mean to someone they cry, attack, or sue you (What happened to sticks 'n stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me?)
- Have fan arts in games or anime (companies are attacked so everything is censored)
- Have moral views your attacked. (can't say keep your sex life behind closed doors like we did in our day)
- Say something negative about something you yourself personally don't like you get banned.
- Comedy bad because it makes fun of people. We don't get Comedy Movies anymore because of humor is wrong it's not politically correct.
It's like the world is run by nothing but childish emotions and not adult logic, morality, and emotions.
We use to joke about how dystopian the anime world of "Shimoneta: A Boring World Where the Concept of Dirty Jokes Doesn't Exist" was yet we are slowly becoming what this very Anime warned about.
It's pretty simple and happens so often on h-games. The author/dev is pretty deep in and and wants to remake/master it with polished skills to have it at another level. (which is often a good thing, when you see final results --> people will like it or not.. that will always happen).
However most devs (this is just my opinion throughs years of experience on this site) just use it as an excuse to keep making money because the lost interest or don't know how to keep going onwards.
Not surprised has he had a fit when he left here about 4 years ago.
What a childish reaction:
Something as simple as saying
"I'm attached to the original design, and it's difficult for me to let it go. But I do hope your remake help the project evolve."
Would've shown a more open and constructive attitude
He really expects people to hold his hand and pamper him?!
Now they just have a Barbie-ass look from a terrible mobile game ad, as someone else pointed out
There's nothing to add in terms of "constructive criticism"
In the end, It's just a matter of taste, and his are unpopular/sucks, that's all
o7 to this game I guess, see you around fellas
The developer keeps deleting comments until there was only praise left.
Terrible attitude, horrible designs and a remake, surely taking years to just get back to where it's now. I'm out.
Terrible attitude, horrible designs and a remake, surely taking years to just get back to where it's now. I'm out.
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That was the first thing I thought of when I saw the designs. It just screams, mobile game.
*edit Actually I take that back it screams those scam ads you see for games that are nothing like the ads.
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those "remake" models give me nightmare fuel
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Happy Valentine's Day! This post is to celebrate this day, but also to show my gratitude, as we now have more than 1,000 free members on the page. Thank you so much!
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After finishing the redesigns of the main characters, I’ve been working on the remake and developing the new prologue, which is now complete, with a result even better than I initially imagined. This new prologue is filled with hidden messages, symbolism, and references. It wasn’t easy to include these new elements while also creating something more poetic and mysterious compared to the original prologue.
As you may remember, the original prologue was divided between the introduction of the main girls and the sequence where our protagonist finds himself in a strange place before waking up in the infirmary. The "flashback" moments will not appear this time, as those developments will be saved for later in the story or in the characters' backgrounds.
Now that the new prologue is finished, I am currently working on Chapter 1 of the story. I’d like to progress up to the part where the protagonist regains his memories after "facing" Satanichia for the first time. After that, I might share some of the content I’ve created with Patreons so they can see the new direction the story and characters are taking.
Part of this new direction is giving the player the ability to explore environments, allowing them to observe the maps and take different paths or make choices to progress through the story. Here are some examples of how the exploration sections will look from now on.
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I’ve shared the new maps in posts for Patreons, but in this post, I’m giving you all a small preview. I haven’t been focusing on creating new maps because I’ve been working on developing the beginning of Chapter 1.
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By the way, one of the most requested features for the remake was voice acting for the characters. I’ve been running some tests, and it looks like it will be possible to have voiced characters this time. In the original WOTD, there were only a few scenes where we could hear the characters’ voices, but I’ll try to make it more common in the remake. Of course, I’ll include an option to mute voices if the player prefers.
I’ll continue experimenting with this while working on Chapter 1. I’m still not entirely sure if I’ll be able to give all the characters voices.
For the new music, I’d like each of the girls to have a defined musical genre or at least a distinctive sound that aligns with their personalities. For example, in individual scenes with Alune, the melodies would be led by a soft piano. For Erika, I might focus on jazz or funk. For Rachel, I could use melodies that include whistles to reflect her carefree or teasing personality. And for Satanichia, I could go for either dark and eerie music or metal.
Oh, and to wrap up everything related to the sound aspect, I’m also working on making ambient sounds more prominent to create a deeper immersion in the scenes.
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I’ve also been working on promotional images for the girls, and I already have Siri, Yuri, Jill, and Rachel ready. These images focus on the new symbolism that you’ll discover in the new prologue. I’ll probably share these promotional images here for Patreons or maybe in the server’s teams on Discord.
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Oh! And another important thing I need to announce is the name change. Winds of the Destiny will now be called Winds of Destiny. The "the" has been removed for grammatical reasons in English. The full title will actually be Winds of Destiny: Rewind. The word/concept "Rewind" will have significant relevance in this new story.
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That’s all for now!
I’ll make another public post when I have more progress on the remake or maybe for WOD’s fourth anniversary.
Farewell, and may Ceina bless you! ❤
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Teresa talking is giving me errors
Yeah it went to shitty wannabe barbie doll girls! It's total and utter crap now! That is the update and people are fleeing the game. This thread now unwatched and game deleted from my system this shit is not going to be on my system.