Ren'Py Witch Hunter [v0.25 EX] [Lazy tarts]
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Haven't played the game in a few years, decided to revisit it and see what all the new updates have to offer. I got to the point in the story where you fight the cop, and for some reason he was presenting a challenge to actually beat.
As I was trying to figure out what to do I realized something. At this point in the game out of the six options you have for each turn in combat only two are actually valid. The basic attack works, and the transform works once you've done enough basic attacks to fill up your MP bar somewhat. But there are four other options, including a Run Out option that straight up just do nothing. I did not yet come across any spells or items for combat, the block option practically does nothing (it doesn't negate any significant amount of enemy damage, but still takes a turn you could otherwise have used to attack the enemy), and the Run Out option doesn't work, this I assume is because the fight is some sort of story event.
Because this game has practically no RNG whatsoever I can hardly comprehend how the devs made this mandatory locked-in story event fight so the cop pretty much kills you. When the Game Over screen and credits started rolling I genuinely thought that it was going to be one of those fake-out endings where the game just continues after it, but that wasn't the case. Did I miss something at some point? I can't see how I was supposed to beat a cop carrying a gun with just basic attacks.
Apologies for the essay, but this game-event had me rubbing my head, and not the proper one for a porn game.
As I was trying to figure out what to do I realized something. At this point in the game out of the six options you have for each turn in combat only two are actually valid. The basic attack works, and the transform works once you've done enough basic attacks to fill up your MP bar somewhat. But there are four other options, including a Run Out option that straight up just do nothing. I did not yet come across any spells or items for combat, the block option practically does nothing (it doesn't negate any significant amount of enemy damage, but still takes a turn you could otherwise have used to attack the enemy), and the Run Out option doesn't work, this I assume is because the fight is some sort of story event.
Because this game has practically no RNG whatsoever I can hardly comprehend how the devs made this mandatory locked-in story event fight so the cop pretty much kills you. When the Game Over screen and credits started rolling I genuinely thought that it was going to be one of those fake-out endings where the game just continues after it, but that wasn't the case. Did I miss something at some point? I can't see how I was supposed to beat a cop carrying a gun with just basic attacks.
Apologies for the essay, but this game-event had me rubbing my head, and not the proper one for a porn game.
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I am aware. Except, you're more of an incompetent buffoon.
There's nothing "super" about him. He plays more like a Gary Stu than anything. He just keeps getting bailed out.
I am aware that some of the massive plotholes were revamped or changed in between updates. And, the creator said he had a plan to "explain all of the issues". Hence, why I asked if any of them have been addressed or ret-conned yet. (This game has been like, rebooted 11 times.)
They know the bookshop guy is doing bad stuff. Not who the bookshop guy is, however.
Like "Hey, the bookshop guy raped me.". Yet... none of them tell each other this. Which, heavily clashes with both the comic AND cartoon. Where they practically tell each other everything.
Atop that: All the "blackmail" is rather pathetic. And would get HIM in trouble, more than the girls. Not to mention: There's several cases where the blackmail gets leaked... (Like the bathroom BJ) Leaving it utterly useless. Yet: The girls still say nothing.
Not to mention: Blackmail never worked on the girls in the comic or carton. They either 1: Told them to pound sand. 2: Blackmailed them back, even worse. And as said... his "blackmail" usually boils down to "If you tell anyone about this, I will end up on a sex offender list!"... really not given the girls any incentive to even bother...
And lastly: It also doesn't help with the constant theme flip-flopping.
One scene he rapes someone. The next he is trying to take them on a date? It's just... all over the place. And the characters seem to forget the prior scenes ever existed.
... it also doesn't help that he's presented as a "suave, ladies man" in several scenes. Yet, last I checked: Hasn't managed to make a single girl cum in the entire game so far.
None of these "Saves" or "gallery unlockers" work, they're text files that say its restricted. AND YES i have put it in the Game folder
mrttao
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I found it more jarring when it happens the other way around
step 1: take a girl on several dates.
step 2: she puts out
step 3: intentionally terrify her so she says no so that can you rape her because you got bored of consensual.
I was all WTF. this guy is REALLY REALLY committed to raping.
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Yeah, that too.
As mentioned: The continuity is broken all over the place.
Like... she is LITERALLY willing to let him do his "job". You know? The THING he is there to do?
And then he intentionally fucks it up. Just so that he can... endanger his mission? As he doesn't have a plan, so he just does some improvised, shit excuse that magically works because he's a Gary Stu.
And then as said: NONE of the girls talk about it. Despite that being the #1 thing they would do.
And then the next scene: He is wistfully talking about wanting a beach walk with spider lady.
And affirming himself what a lady's man he is. He CAN'T even find the clit xD
It would make more sense if he wasn't constantly bailed out by Deus Ex Machina. And that he... actually had a plan.
mrttao
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Speaking of. for a villain MC is surprisingly loyal to his boss.
I mean the scenario is literally
Evil Sorcerer King: My little sister is a threat to my rule. (rightful heir?). Go seduce her until she falls in love with you then use sex to steal her magic powers so I can kill her
MC: Sounds like a great idea.
really? I would have expected "hey if I seduce the princess I could become the new king! optionally stealing her magic powers too!"
And it is quite clear that the king does not really appreciate the MC much and treats him as a disposable pawn. So I don't understand that unusual loyalty to him.
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Going by the comic AND series: He's not remotely loyal.
He's kinda always looking for a way to cheat or backstab him.
It did seem for a bit like the OP planned a "redemption route" or sorts? But that was quickly canned.
But yeah, it's weird how he's supposed to seduce anyone when he can't even seduce a potato.
He goes on pure Gary Stu bail outs.
Heck, things he does to "gain favor" is even more stupid.
Like: "Hey, I kidnapped this lower caste, random human girl! - Fuck yeah!"
Like, the ruler is SO far up his own ass, that it's questionable if he'd fuck anyone except a clone of himself... yet: We're to believe he'd be excited over some random adolescent human he drags in? Despite referring to humans as a "pest"? (NOT to mention: He's offering him SLOPPY SECONDS xD)
Not to mention: He somehow managed to bribe of the of good guys, someone that wants to KILL him, but going "Hey, I kidnapped a girl! Want to rape her?!" and that... somehow works? xD
mrttao
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That is even worse. It means the source material got it right and there is just no justification for this game to have bungled his personality this badly by altering the treacherous MC into suddenly being loyal
I was honestly looking for a selfish evil route. the current route has the MC altruistically self sacrificing for "team evil"
But a redemption route would have been nice too. shame it was canned
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Yeah, in short: Anyone remotely a fan of the comic or show: Has been here asking from day 1 what the heck is going on xP
Basically ALL of the characters are bungled. Like: In the main series, the girls always respond to blackmail with either A: Blackmailing the villain with a uno reverse card. B: Doing the PG rated version of telling the villain to eat their ass. (Seriously. You could easily make any of the girls evil. They regularly use deception, mind control, mind erasure, body control, polymorphing, kidnapping and a slew of other things. Quite often for selfish reasons. Heck, Irma, the water girl: Canonically is a blood bender AND can mind control people. She can also do a MK fatality by tearing all the blood out of your body. But, she "only" does this on elemental creatures. Such as sentient plant people. Since if she rips the water out of their bodies, that's not considered blood and thus PG!)
Trailing off a bit xD
But yeah. Knowing the source material definitely lowers the quality of the game even further outside of all the plotholes. Like... you're telling me the girl that regularly cheats, uses her powers for personal gain and turns people into frogs... falls for blackmail that is *checks notes* she doesn't want to report the book store owner for being a sex offender, as that would hurt his reputation?
I could go over each girl, but getting off topic here.
I originally asked a few weeks back if there was an update: As the OP stated several months back that "He had a plan to fix all the plotholes and continuity issues".
So, as said: I was curious if that had happened yet. Though... it clearly has not.
So, I'll prolly pop back in sometime next year. As, I am really curious how he plans to fix all of that.
There was an update, but not into trying it yet since will have to re-start it all, and even the one repeatable sex scene seems to have been removed and I now give the girl to "throne guy".
it is a shame, the art, at least to me, seems pretty good, and the premise at least is interesting. The problem is the execution.
it is a shame, the art, at least to me, seems pretty good, and the premise at least is interesting. The problem is the execution.
mrttao
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On the one hand, losing saves on update is the worst. On the other hand this is one of those rare cases where I can not think of a way to fix this without losing saves.
Not knowing what was fixed either is a problem...
honestly this is one of those cases where a reboot is needed. But... can the author really get it right on a reboot and fix all the plot holes and mischaracterizations?
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There is some issues with copy pasting. Like: None of the girls have a unique model. Which is a shame.
But yeah: Other than that. It IS an interesting artstyle I'd like to see more of.
It does have room for improvement, granted. Mainly on the girls.
But yeah. Execution is a mess. OP seems to have no idea where he is going. With all the soft reboots and all that.
Unclear. OP has said that he "has a plan that will fix everything".
But... we have yet to see anything of this plan.
But, from what we can guess: It will likely be a "evil, but not AS evil" ending.
As, originally: He is supposed to basically rape, disembowel and murder all the girls. But the soft reboots removed all of the gore and vore.
But we are more likely to only get an ending where he backstabs his master, and "only" takes all the girls as sex slaves. Though, might also get an ending where he keeps being his masters bitch.
The main issue of the game atm seems to be the sunk cost fallacy. But I do think the game will have some sort of ending. Probably not a very spiffy one, but...
Yeah, not being told what is fixed or added is kind of annoying tbh... that's like, patch notes 1010.
As I said above: I think the main issue is the sunk cost fallacy.
It would be easier to cobble an ending together than to correct all the mistakes.
Plus, the OP does seem to have gotten bored. Seeing how we had an entire patch focused on a completely unrelated interdimensional brothel that did nothing for the story...
I honestly have no clue where or what this game will go towards...
Reading some of you gripe about this game not being true to the characters when its a PORN game is absolutely hilarious.
It is supposed to be a porn parody though.
And fails in both accounts. Both as porn and as parody.
It is bad at porn.
It has too few actual porn scenes, and they seem to always be removed or pushed back.
When I first found out about the game, a good half the scenes where the supposedly main girl was drugged into servicing the MC were removed.
Then as the story was changed so the MC is more sympathetic the scenes where he bribes her into servicing him were also removed, or at least were not available through normal game anymore.
Now the only repeatable scene since then was changed into you giving away the captured girl.
It is bad as a parody.
The characters are inconsistent with their canon personalities, as mentioned many times before.
The MC is inconsistent in personality and story, and definitely is not consistent with his canon self.
The story is always being changed so the MC is less of an evil monster, but is still incompetent as a seducer, a terrible person, and the only reason he gets away with anything is because as soon as he gets impatient (very quickly) the girl in question gets a tight grip on the idiot ball and stops any reaction.
He even spent an update before this one mostly on adding characters from an unrelated series.
And of course, with how the MC's personality flip-flops inconsistently and the girls change from having a personality to just accepting anything he does with gritted teeth if he goes impatient and pushes it, it is not even that good as a standalone game.
Honestly, I am mostly following it for completionist's sake right now...