Bill_Jerkpole

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Correlation is not causation. The person said that ALL his other renpy games aren't working. What are the chances that all of them are v1.47.1 and above? What are the chances that all of those games were all updated and then tried and then discovered that all of them doesn't work? You know what they say about "assume" is spelled.
We have been trying to troubleshoot Adilsary1's problems for a while, which is evident if you go back a few pages; I was trying to bring you up to speed, so you didn't waste your time. While it would be interesting if all Adilsary1's problems were related to this one logfile from one single game, it is unlikely - even more so as one of the devs said: "I'll suppress those, since they are harmless and only useful to me when I'm devvin (That's a verb, right?)". One page up, LoafyLemon.

The logfiles in question are for WTS 1.47.1 or 1.47.3 (same issues for both games), most likely 1.47.3 in this case and the Renpy engine is currently at 8.4.1 so I don't know why you'd make such an assumtion, but there you go.
 

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We have been trying to troubleshoot Adilsary1's problems for a while, which is evident if you go back a few pages;
I know. I've been reading. It was getting nowhere. That's why I jumped in.

I was trying to bring you up to speed, so you didn't waste your time. While it would be interesting if all Adilsary1's problems were related to this one logfile from one single game,
A log file won't generate the issue. The log file will TELL US the issue. That's why I'm asking for it. All renpy games will output a crash log file. That's what I'm asking for. Those logs have tracebacks that will give better details than "file not found."

it is unlikely - even more so as one of the devs said: "I'll suppress those, since they are harmless and only useful to me when I'm devvin (That's a verb, right?)". One page up, LoafyLemon.
I know, but just because they're harmless in this situation doesn't mean they can't be an indicator of bigger things. As I've already outlined in my previous posts.

The logfiles in question are for WTS 1.47.1 or 1.47.3 (same issues for both games), most likely 1.47.3 in this case and the Renpy engine is currently at 8.4.1 so I don't know why you'd make such an assumtion, but there you go.
Why do you think I'm the one that's assuming (and, somehow doing a "nu-uh, you") when you seem to think it has to be this game when Adilsary1 explicitly has said that ALL HIS OTHER RENPY GAMES HAVE PROBLEMS TOO?

Nope, nothing in quarantine either, i found out not only WT doesnt work, other py games also
Like, not only did I use to do tech support for a living, I actually have a computer science degree. You don't troubleshoot by throwing random solutions and hope you get lucky. You get more info to try to narrow down what the issue is. And the best way to do that is to GET THE LOGS.

At this point, we can't even know for sure that Adilsary1 truly turned off his antivirus when he tested. Do you know how many antiviruses/antimalware will give you the option to "turn it off" but not actually turn it off? How many run at the kernel level and can't truly be turned off until you reboot? That's excluding the fact that in the cheat injector threads I maintain, I frequently get people who I help troubleshoot go " I turned off my antivirus and it's still a problem." only for them to come back and go "Sorry. I thought I turned it off. Turns out I didn't." I even had one that had 2 antiviruses installed and didn't realize it. And he had only turned off one of them, which caused the issue.
Hell, at this point, it's completely possible that his computer was compromised beyond what his antivirus can scan and it's prevent all python scripts/compiled binaries from running because it itself runs on python and running another python instance would make the compromise apparent. We. Don't. Know. So we need logs.

And, honestly, if adilsary1 has more than 1 computer, I would say, drag the original game files over to the other computer and run it there. If there's no problem, then you know the problem isn't a corrupt download and is isolated to the one machine. Of course, you can also run a sumcheck (MD5SUM or the like) instead and check the hash. But I doubt he has any sum checking utility installed nor would he know how to use it. But then, that won't confirm or deny OS or hardware issues. If they both have issues, it's very unlikely to be the hardware but very likely to be the OS (and/or the OS version/flavor) on the two machines. There's a lot of possibilities. The problem is, we don't know. So, again, WE NEED THE LOGS.
 

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I learned something new today; if you hold down shift as you start a renpy game it opens a configuration page instead of the game - it might not be of any use, might not even work for you, but maybe you can see if changing to directX ( Angle render) or limit it to 30 FPS does anything.

Though, at least in my copy, the configuration menu autocloses in five seconds or so, and it only saves the change if you click on quit, so it's annoying to use, to say the least.
do you have integrated and graphic card? renpy is weird sometimes that it tries to use integrated graphics instead actual graphic card.
 

adilsary1

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do you have integrated and graphic card? renpy is weird sometimes that it tries to use integrated graphics instead actual graphic card.
Yes, i have integrated and graphic card how can i check if this is the cause of the problem
I know. I've been reading. It was getting nowhere. That's why I jumped in.


A log file won't generate the issue. The log file will TELL US the issue. That's why I'm asking for it. All renpy games will output a crash log file. That's what I'm asking for. Those logs have tracebacks that will give better details than "file not found."


I know, but just because they're harmless in this situation doesn't mean they can't be an indicator of bigger things. As I've already outlined in my previous posts.



Why do you think I'm the one that's assuming (and, somehow doing a "nu-uh, you") when you seem to think it has to be this game when Adilsary1 explicitly has said that ALL HIS OTHER RENPY GAMES HAVE PROBLEMS TOO?



Like, not only did I use to do tech support for a living, I actually have a computer science degree. You don't troubleshoot by throwing random solutions and hope you get lucky. You get more info to try to narrow down what the issue is. And the best way to do that is to GET THE LOGS.

At this point, we can't even know for sure that Adilsary1 truly turned off his antivirus when he tested. Do you know how many antiviruses/antimalware will give you the option to "turn it off" but not actually turn it off? How many run at the kernel level and can't truly be turned off until you reboot? That's excluding the fact that in the cheat injector threads I maintain, I frequently get people who I help troubleshoot go " I turned off my antivirus and it's still a problem." only for them to come back and go "Sorry. I thought I turned it off. Turns out I didn't." I even had one that had 2 antiviruses installed and didn't realize it. And he had only turned off one of them, which caused the issue.
Hell, at this point, it's completely possible that his computer was compromised beyond what his antivirus can scan and it's prevent all python scripts/compiled binaries from running because it itself runs on python and running another python instance would make the compromise apparent. We. Don't. Know. So we need logs.

And, honestly, if adilsary1 has more than 1 computer, I would say, drag the original game files over to the other computer and run it there. If there's no problem, then you know the problem isn't a corrupt download and is isolated to the one machine. Of course, you can also run a sumcheck (MD5SUM or the like) instead and check the hash. But I doubt he has any sum checking utility installed nor would he know how to use it. But then, that won't confirm or deny OS or hardware issues. If they both have issues, it's very unlikely to be the hardware but very likely to be the OS (and/or the OS version/flavor) on the two machines. There's a lot of possibilities. The problem is, we don't know. So, again, WE NEED THE LOGS.
Not all the RenPy games, some of them works some don't, sadly i don't have second PC, i have only Microsoft Defender and i turned it off like you suggested but it didnt worked, i'll send you logs after i get home, sorry guys for late answers
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Bill_Jerkpole

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Why do you think I'm the one that's assuming (and, somehow doing a "nu-uh, you") when you seem to think it has to be this game when Adilsary1 explicitly has said that ALL HIS OTHER RENPY GAMES HAVE PROBLEMS TOO?
Because I was the one who asked him to see if Gemini could find an error in the logfile, that didn't show up in mine, which I did before Adilsary1 told us it was more than one Renpy game that didn't work. Something you would know if you read though the posts, thus you assumed.

Yes I could have asked him to just post the logfile, but as this logfile in particulier has many errors, it seemed like a waste of time to manually go through it, and as the problem turned out to be a more global problem... well he has now posted it now, so go nuts.
 

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Hrmmm it still could be a windoze issue, game is located on the desktop. don't install games on the desktop, windoze might restrict or deny access without notifying. info about that would be in the windoze event log, if any. better to not have games in folders on the desktop. instead, some extra games folder, example: C:\Users\Asan\GAMES\YourGameHere(i.e. WTS and all the others)..
it's a chance shot. hope it helps.
 

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Display Info: None
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Here is the LOG
There's nothing in the logs indicating a crash or any other issue. Cache warnings are benign and will be disabled in the next update since they are only useful to me.

Isolated hardware-dependent problems are usually out of our control, especially if it happens with other Ren'py games. It's very possible your computer lacks certain instruction sets for the newer versions of Ren'Py. For example, 32-Bit systems are not supported for well over a year now, and Windows 7 is on the cutting block as well.

So, my question is, what version of Windows 10 are you on? 32-bit?
 
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Because I was the one who asked him to see if Gemini could find an error in the logfile, that didn't show up in mine, which I did before Adilsary1 told us it was more than one Renpy game that didn't work. Something you would know if you read though the posts, thus you assumed.
You asked him to post HIS log file to an AI engine to search for an error that didn't show up in YOUR log file? And I'm the one that assumed? And I did read that and it made no sense. Nevermind. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Yes I could have asked him to just post the logfile, but as this logfile in particulier has many errors, it seemed like a waste of time to manually go through it, and as the problem turned out to be a more global problem... well he has now posted it now, so go nuts.
You have no idea what's going on so it's a waste of time to get more info. Right...

And yeah, we have better info now. We know it's not using integrated graphics which is what cxx suggested so we can rule that out.
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Initializing gl2 renderer:
primary display bounds: (0, 0, 1920, 1080)
swap interval: 1 frames
Windowed mode.
That tells us that it was able to initialize the graphical engine and was able to determine the desktop environment specs. But weirdly, there's no display info. That's a little worrying but it may mean nothing. But also, it was able to run the rpy file which means that the python engine is working.

adilsary1
In the same folder as the logs.txt, were there any other .txt files? Like errors.txt? If so, can you post them. If there isn't please tell us.

But also, definitely do what cxx suggested. But, if possible try the game with ONLY integrated graphics and then ONLY the nvidia card (if possible). According to the logs, you're already on the dedicated graphics card (nvidia), but there might be some swap over interactions that might be causing this. Trying both will tell us if it's the graphics cards or not.

Also, do what F1forhalp suggested and move it OUT of the desktop folder. I've never personally faced that issue, but I also haven't really been using windows since windows 7. It may make no difference, but at least we'll have cross that possibility off the list.

Also also, if you can make a list of what other games doesn't work (and their version) and what other games do work (and their versions). That way we can try to narrow down if it is an issue with a specific renpy version (or if the games that don't work have some common library they're using.)
 
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sleepingkirby

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No need. I always test the game on integrated chips. Judging from the log, it runs properly on the Nvidia card.
Well, I've had a few emulators that would run well on dedicated graphics for the first bit but then crash once it hits something actually needs to render something that requires geometry (not saying this game does). The logs tell me that it's using nvidia graphics, but given no display info I can't say it's running properly on the nvidia card. The last time I couldn't pull display info (not on renpy games, from the command line) from nvidia utils, my drivers weren't installed correctly.

ETA: I've confirmed that, even on my machine running nvidia, renpy games doesn't always show display info (varies from game to game). But again, that says to me is it using nvidia, but not guaranteed that it runs properly.
 
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There's nothing in the logs indicating a crash or any other issue. Cache warnings are benign and will be disabled in the next update since they are only useful to me.

Isolated hardware-dependent problems are usually out of our control, especially if it happens with other Ren'py games. It's very possible your computer lacks certain instruction sets for the newer versions of Ren'Py. For example, 32-Bit systems are not supported for well over a year now, and Windows 7 is on the cutting block as well.

So, my question is, what version of Windows 10 are you on? 32-bit?
64bit most likely since 32bit W10 is has been out of support for years.
Had to do a fair amount of digging. Don't know why Microsoft made this so hard.
Windows-10-10.0.19045 is Last update for win10 32 bit is May 2020, so 20H2 (OS build 19042) . So, for sure he's on 64 bit.
 

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64bit most likely since 32bit W10 is has been out of support for years.
So is Windows 7 and Windows 8, but I bet someone will come out and ask 'Why are you dropping support for it!!11'. Well, we are not, Ren'py does, however. And for good reasons, too!

 

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So is Windows 7 and Windows 8, but I bet someone will come out and ask 'Why are you dropping support for it!!11'. Well, we are not, Ren'py does, however. And for good reasons, too!

Ren'Py is no longer built for 32-bit ARM Linux. This drops support for the Raspberry Pi 3, and very old Chromebook.
What do you mean I can't run this on my Raspberry Pi 3?!? Rawr! But in all seriousness, yeah, it never hurts to double check. I've had incidents where people could have sworn they were on 64bit but was really on 32bit.
 

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So is Windows 7 and Windows 8, but I bet someone will come out and ask 'Why are you dropping support for it!!11'. Well, we are not, Ren'py does, however. And for good reasons, too!

Following all the problem isolation and handling for a while now, I'm really glad that I play on Linux and don't have all these problems.
I think it's really great how efforts are being made here to find a solution (I'm sorry if I can't contribute to this, I've been out of Windows for 5 years).

I am glad there is a WTS Linux native version. But even if not, you can choose any Windows version you want via the game manager Lutris on Linux.

DOS, Win XP, 7, 8 etc.

Lutris runs old games on Linux that can't be run on Win 10/11 at all or only with great difficulty.

And most new games run anyway. Thanks to the proton development of Steam.

Only anticheat measures by some developers deliberately throw stones in the gears.

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Oh, sorry, what a smart arse text, contributes nothing to solving the problem... :eek:
 

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Following all the problem isolation and handling for a while now, I'm really glad that I play on Linux and don't have all these problems.
I think it's really great how efforts are being made here to find a solution (I'm sorry if I can't contribute to this, I've been out of Windows for 5 years).

I am glad there is a WTS Linux native version. But even if not, you can choose any Windows version you want via the game manager Lutris on Linux.

DOS, Win XP, 7, 8 etc.

Lutris runs old games on Linux that can't be run on Win 10/11 at all or only with great difficulty.

And most new games run anyway. Thanks to the proton development of Steam.

Only anticheat measures by some developers deliberately throw stones in the gears.

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Oh, sorry, what a smart arse text, contributes nothing to solving the problem... :eek:
I use Arch BTW. ;)
 
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