VN Ren'Py Wrestling Dynasty [v0.3] [UniSeven Studios]

[Sadowdark]

AWAM slow burn type of game?

Yes

 

[foxy1969]

I'm very glad you reminded me of the Dev Notes section because I forgot to change that a while back. A lot of things from my original or early vision of the game did not pan out, and branching type things is something that got cut the more I understand "Oh I'm actually not any good at this coding thing. Or the Daz rendering thing." I'm truly just a writer at heart in way over my head with the other stuff (Daz and Ren'Py, no I will not accept any help or hire anyone, please don't inquire).

Wrestling Dynasty has the "VN" tag for a reason: it's almost entirely kinetic and has been throughout the game so far, not counting 2? choices I'd say where there is an actual "either/or" scenario (choosing to text Frank Jr back and choosing to shake Cam's hand). Other than that, there hasn't been any branches or choices because that's not what we're doing here.

So here's how the future harem/girls situation works: Are any LI's avoidable? Yes, but ONLY when it comes to the sex scenes themselves. All girls will be joining the harem regardless, because the girls in this game are actual characters with plenty of things to offer besides "I just exist as a sex option for the Player."

I cannot simply "write off" Beverly, for example, who is your bank manager and inherently intertwined with the MC, not just from being his bank manager but now also Beverly's daughter and three grandchildren are also going to fall for and join the harem. Yes there is a futa (trans, really) character, who is Robin, one of the Twins.

So to summarize: no character is skippable or avoidable, they're all joining the harem, I will still try my best to give options for sex scenes for anyone who isn't Melissa and Abigail. I'm not doing branching paths, I'm not doing routes, I'm not doing any of that shit because I'm too slow as a developer and I don't want to be any slower trying to worry about tracking variables and who is on what path and all this other shit. I'm not good at coding and being able to do all of this, and I'm not going to try something unless I'm confident I can pull it off, because unlike just having clipping issues or something in renders, coding errors can just break and fuck the game entirely, so... yeah. I know what my strengths are and this is not one of them, I apologize.

My irl memory is also extremely bad and I forget things all the time, like I'm pretty sure currently in the story, the MC will act like he texted Beverly and read Sam the Man's blog near the end of Chapter 4, even if you didn't choose those options, because I foolishly put a "skip these events" option and then just completely forgot I did that (learned my lesson for Chapter 5's phone texting).

To reference another game, Wrestling Dynasty will be more like Cosy Cafe than it will be Being a DIK. I understand if this is upsetting but that's where we're at and nothing will change about it. I'll clarify this in the Dev Notes.

Thank you for playing and enjoying (or enjoyed) the game though!

Ok, thanks for the detailed reply, I guess skip unseen text is always an option, although it would be good to have an option to skip the sex scenes you don’t want to see, even if they happen.
However, can you clarify what you say in the tags section then; you say Trans and Femboy are 100% avoidable - is that still the case? If not, I guess I won’t continue, which is a real shame as I have been enjoying it so far.
Thanks.

 

[Love2spooch]

Sorry dev. I'm going to bow out. I understand the scenes are skippable. I understand your limitations on coding etc etc. What I can't abide by is still having trans/futa in my harem. It isn't something that I can just ignore. I wish you the best of luck!

There's no any futa/trans character yet, you sensible prick.
Also almost in every game here ANY secondary content is optional.
Lol, do you even understand that you're making yuck face while jerking off to incest? Do you think that's normal?

This reminds me that vegan shiet where people everywhere were like "You know, I am a vegan!!! And I don't like you because you're buying steak!"

 

[Sadowdark]

Beerus

I like everything about this game, except the main character's mother's face. Her face should be different from our main character's sister's. Without subtitles, I can't tell the difference between mother and daughter. They look the same age, like high school friends. Image B – her face should be slightly older. Another problem is the photos of the mother sent to our phones; her face often looks childish. Image A. Regarding the harem character who is a futa, add a sex option for that futa character as an optional option; not everyone likes this type of content.

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[N0madS0uL]

Good update, glad the sexual aspects are starting to become and sounds that it will happen faster from now on. I guess the only thing at this point im holding my breath over is the duration between meaningful updates in terms of content. Slow burn games are all fine and good, but that kinda goes tits up when they don't get enough updates and content to keep players vested IMO.

The writing/dialogue and style used, expression and emphasis in this VN are of the best I have seen, its full on erotica more than the visual. That being said the visual is what makes the V in VN especially AVN so I am hoping for more of that. Come to think of it, I would actually like to read this even before its made into an AVN.

 

[N0madS0uL]

Beerus

I like everything about this game, except the main character's mother's face. Her face should be different from our main character's sister's. Without subtitles, I can't tell the difference between mother and daughter. They look the same age, like high school friends. Image B – her face should be slightly older. Another problem is the photos of the mother sent to our phones; her face often looks childish. Image A. Regarding the harem character who is a futa, add a sex option for that futa character as an optional option; not everyone likes this type of content.

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Agree that the mother can look a tad older and slightly different from sister, though often in families they look very similar, so IMO its not a big deal, but I agree with the age for sure.

As for the trans/futa content, I believe from the dev notes there was a (optional) on that so I am sure it wont be forced. This AVN while mostly kinetic is not entirely and I am sure to some extent the player would be able to avoid certain content, though I would have also preferred a bit more agency in which LIs the MC pursues, its still a decent AVN and ill keep playing it.

 

[Sadowdark]

Agree with the mother looking a tad older and slightly different from sister, though often they can look very similar, so IMO its not a big deal. As for the trans/futa content, I believe from the dev notes there was a (optional) on that so I am sure it wont be forced. This AVN while mostly kinetic is not entirely and I am sure to some extent the player would be able to avoid certain content, though I would have also preferred a bit more agency in which LIs the MC pursues, its still a decent AVN and ill keep playing it.

The mother's face should look a little older

 

[Beerus]

So just curious, what exactly does the female domination entail is it avoidable or a core part of the game?

The "female domination" tag is currently used for the bit more tsundere or "cold" women in the game so far: Veda (her backing you against the wall in Chapter 4), and especially Jacki. However, there will NOT be any femdom towards the MC. All roads lead to MC maledom, not the other way around. So in other words, I would not worry about femdom content in the game, or at least, towards/involving the MC.

Honestly, it's so extremely refreshing having a transparent dev that drops comments every now and then, not from a "hey how is the story going to play out" but just seeing the general thought process behind certain decisions/characters.

I also think it just generally helps the relationship between fan/consumer and the dev, given that it's easier to give some leeway and not be a COMPLETE douche (mostly atleast, some f95 users are unsalvageable though) to a dev that's more relatable than a dev who never really drops comments and works in the shadows.

Atleast from what I've seen over the years I've been here.

I try to be as completely transparent and open as I can about my thought process, decision making, design choices, why I did these things, etc. I figure that's the least I owe you guys if I legitimately want to succeed and I absolutely do. I truly do not understand why this is so difficult or complicated for other devs. You guys have no problem taking their money but can't answer a few questions?

This is also just what I'm saying on F95, in our

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I am far more active with far more "behind the scenes" or "So here's how I did this scene, why I did it, and what I was thinking" type discussions.

Like I said a few pages ago, as long as people don't show up with some truly dumb shit (like this recent donut and his AI spiele, you mentioned I was ignoring you, well now here I am acknowledging you one time: No.), I have no problem being active and going back and forth with others. The general philosophy of this F95 thread is: if I ignored/didn't react your question/suggestion, it's not because I didn't see it, but because it's not worth my time answering you.

I still don't want it though, still image sex scenes can be just as hot if not moreso as long as the frame pacing/writing is up to par.

I don't know if you've finished Chapter 5 yet or not, but if you have... How do you think I did for image/transition-based sex scenes?

However, can you clarify what you say in the tags section then; you say Trans and Femboy are 100% avoidable - is that still the case? If not, I guess I won’t continue, which is a real shame as I have been enjoying it so far.
Thanks.

When I say the following: "Gay (male on trans, male on femboy only, both 100% optional)" — I mean the sex scenes themselves. They will still join the harem and be apart of the story regardless, I'm just planning on doing what I can to ensure the SEX SCENES are avoidable.

And before anyone drags their knuckles in here going "UHHH BUT IS IT AVOIDABLE OR SKIPPABLE? NOW LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS..."

NOTHING in the game will be "If you choose not to, it happens anyway, just offscreen." Nothing. Please quit asking this now.

 

[Beerus]

The mother's face should look a little older

I mean, you aren't necessarily wrong, though not all 41 year old women look 41, especially one who has been fortunate enough to be part of a very wealthy household and thus access to better skincare treatment/etc type things. (It was previously said in Chapter 1 that Melissa is 44, however I plan to "de-age" all of the Morgan family members (except for the MC) by three.)

This makes everyone's ages now:
Franco: 45
Melissa: 41
Frank Jr: 23
Abigail: 21
MC: 18

The reason for this is because, like I did in the main menu, there will be many more flashbacks/memories/etc type scenes that involve Frank Jr, Abby, and MC as kids, showing what the family used to be like and such, like their fun times togeteher at the park (which became the main menu, and Abby herself mentions in Chapter 4):

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I'm going to completely redo/remake all of the kid models and I wanted all the children to be a bit closer in age, so that if MC is 10, for example, then Abby would be 13, as compared to 16 (if I didn't de-age them). It just makes more sense to me this way to have them closer in age if I want flashbacks.

 

[foxy1969]

When I say the following: "Gay (male on trans, male on femboy only, both 100% optional)" — I mean the sex scenes themselves. They will still join the harem and be apart of the story regardless, I'm just planning on doing what I can to ensure the SEX SCENES are avoidable.

And before anyone drags their knuckles in here going "UHHH BUT IS IT AVOIDABLE OR SKIPPABLE? NOW LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS..."

NOTHING in the game will be "If you choose not to, it happens anyway, just offscreen." Nothing. Please quit asking this now.

Thanks again for there detailed reply and clarification. Enough for me to carry on as I am enjoying it and like your writing style.

 

[Beerus]

I mean, you aren't necessarily wrong, though not all 41 year old women look 41, especially one who has been fortunate enough to be part of a very wealthy household and thus access to better skincare treatment/etc type things. (It was previously said in Chapter 1 that Melissa is 44, however I plan to "de-age" all of the Morgan family members (except for the MC) by three.

This makes everyone's ages now:
Franco: 45
Melissa: 41
Frank Jr: 23
Abigail: 21
MC: 18

The reason for this is because, like I did in the main menu, there will be many more flashbacks/memories/etc type scenes that involve Frank Jr, Abby, and MC as kids, showing what the family used to be like and such, like their fun times togeteher at the park (which became the main menu, and Abby herself mentions in Chapter 4):

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I'm going to completely redo/remake all of the kid models and I wanted all the children to be a bit closer in age, so that if MC is 10, for example, then Abby would be 13, as compared to 16 (if I didn't de-age them). It just makes more sense to me this way to have them closer in age if I want flashbacks.

One more quick note I want to add about Melissa's age: while she may not look the oldest in the face, she DOES have breast and stomach stretch marks:

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[BAD2984920]

Why are they calling each other like that? intro said set how YOU refer to them. Way to disrespect the head of the family. And they are surprised HE got all physical... And then TRIO just ran away from the house. Talk about starting the drama in a family.

 

[Sadowdark]

I mean, you aren't necessarily wrong, though not all 41 year old women look 41, especially one who has been fortunate enough to be part of a very wealthy household and thus access to better skincare treatment/etc type things. (It was previously said in Chapter 1 that Melissa is 44, however I plan to "de-age" all of the Morgan family members (except for the MC) by three.)

This makes everyone's ages now:
Franco: 45
Melissa: 41
Frank Jr: 23
Abigail: 21
MC: 18

The reason for this is because, like I did in the main menu, there will be many more flashbacks/memories/etc type scenes that involve Frank Jr, Abby, and MC as kids, showing what the family used to be like and such, like their fun times togeteher at the park (which became the main menu, and Abby herself mentions in Chapter 4):

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I'm going to completely redo/remake all of the kid models and I wanted all the children to be a bit closer in age, so that if MC is 10, for example, then Abby would be 13, as compared to 16 (if I didn't de-age them). It just makes more sense to me this way to have them closer in age if I want flashbacks.

Leave it as it is, the appearance of the mother's face doesn't need much, just one wrinkle, a different color of makeup, a strand of gray hair and it will be fine.

 

[Sadowdark]

Beerus

Are you planning on just making the entire Morgan family younger, buddy? Or all the characters?

 

[N0madS0uL]

One more quick note I want to add about Melissa's age: while she may not look the oldest in the face, she DOES have breast and stomach stretch marks:

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The mothers body does fit the milf image very well, no issue at all and you completely right that the boob, stomach and ass stretch marks make up more than enough for that. She also has a bit more weight on her which is expected and normal too. Its just that her face could have used a bit more aging like a bit more laugh lines, maybe a little more crows feet around the eyes, slightly. Ageing is an interesting thing as you mentioned in your previous post, not all age the same. Though I have seen what stress and people that have had serious health issues like accidents, surgeries or when they were fighting for their lives they do look haggard and older. That notion or saying that someone aged over night and that may to a degree apply to the mother considering what happened to her the life she has lead to this point.

This all being said, I understand redoing all the mothers visuals would be a lot of work, and honestly we talking about a nice to have here. I think you good enough as is, your choice if you decide to change it a little though. Cheers for all the active replies, good to have interaction with the dev like this. Good luck

 

[Beerus]

Beerus

Are you planning on just making the entire Morgan family younger, buddy? Or all the characters?

ONLY those mentioned, so Franco, Melissa, Frank Jr, and Abigail.

Though I have seen what stress and people that have had serious health issues like accidents, surgeries or when they were fighting for their lives they do look haggard and older. That notion or saying that someone aged over night and that may to a degree apply to the mother considering what happened to her the life she has lead to this point.

This all being said, I understand redoing all the mothers visuals would be a lot of work, and honestly we talking about a nice to have here. I think you good enough as is, your choice if you decide to change it a little though. Cheers for all the active replies, good to have interaction with the dev like this. Good luck

You know, you're absolutely right. I'll see what I can do about adding a little more face aging to Melissa without it becoming blatantly obvious I did so, though I certainly wouldn't go back and redo any of the renders already done.

Speaking of which, for those who have finished Chapter 5, you may have suddenly noticed that near the VERY END, the relationship names are no longer capitalized if used in the middle of a sentence. This is because it took me THAT long to figure out how to do it, and that will be the standard from now on.

I do not exactly want to go back and redo all of the text because there's 600+ mentions of the tag "[mom]" (what I use to call on "Mother" or whatever else you named the relationship), and sometimes these DO need to be capitalized and sometimes not, so I'm not so keen right now to go back and examine 600+ cases (and thus, a simple find/replace would not work here). And that's just for [mom], let alone [sis], [bro], and [dad]. But going forward, it should be much better and more grammatically correct.

 

[Ciaran8023]

I try to be as completely transparent and open as I can about my thought process, decision making, design choices, why I did these things, etc. I figure that's the least I owe you guys if I legitimately want to succeed and I absolutely do. I truly do not understand why this is so difficult or complicated for other devs. You guys have no problem taking their money but can't answer a few questions?

This is also just what I'm saying on F95, in our

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I am far more active with far more "behind the scenes" or "So here's how I did this scene, why I did it, and what I was thinking" type discussions.

Like I said a few pages ago, as long as people don't show up with some truly dumb shit.

I think it might just be a case of certain devs being overly attached to a specific vision and people potentially critiquing that, even if it's valid criticism, can just trigger some sort of cognitive dissonance in where they just mentally go "these people don't know what I want to do, so they're fucking stupid and I won't talk to them" instead of actually explaining what the intent/idea was behind things.

Honestly, I think anyone who's created anything can fall into this type of.. I suppose fallacious mental framing, it's not often you find people who are introspective enough to mull things over or open to think about what happened with a scene/narrative/whatever art medium that failed to convey their idea to the audience.
And also yes, seen my fair share of incredibly dumb posts pop up on f95, you genuinely only lose if you interact with them so it's better to ignore.

I don't know if you've finished Chapter 5 yet or not, but if you have... How do you think I did for image/transition-based sex scenes?

I've yet to play the new update, but I'll be sure to drop a comment when I do!

That being said, one of the main reasons why I'm excited for each update that isn't just the narrative and dialogue, is that you already have a really solid grasp of framing and scene pacing that I feel like a lot of devs overlook or simply misunderstand or underplay the importance of them.
I've seen a lot of games, that only use images, where you have two individuals sitting on a couch and two frames later they're both naked and the dude's doing his best to turn her into a fucking sockpuppet with his dick.

Being relegated to images is a challenge, but also an art of storytelling itself, and I feel like so many devs tend to forget that it shouldn't just be "idle image" > "action image" but the leadup between those is arguably the most important step. Doing something like having a closeup image of a girl holding eye contact > image of her glancing down towards the MC's lower body with a slight lip bite and blush > back to eye contact with now a head-tilt and blush can be extremely powerful as a sort of mental foreplay I suppose.
I think what my long-winded ass is trying to describe is that people underplay the power of guiding imagination, but it's something you're already pretty good at. Just the scene with Veda as she gradually pushes the MC up against the wall is a perfect example of it.
(Personally I would've dragged it out a bit more as it's one of the first steps of her getting physical with the MC. Something like her pushing him against the wall > pic of her hand pressed against his lower abdomen > side profile pic of their mouths to sell the idea of her being intimately close to him when all this goes down > proceed to dongle teasing or something similar. But that's just my horny ass speaking.)

I suppose the one downside is that it can get pretty image-hungry, so I suppose there's a bit of art in knowing when to utilize it and when to not do so.

All this being said, I don't think I'll be disappointed in chapter 5 at all, looking forward to when I get the time to play through it!

 

[Reallycoolhat]

The "female domination" tag is currently used for the bit more tsundere or "cold" women in the game so far: Veda (her backing you against the wall in Chapter 4), and especially Jacki. However, there will NOT be any femdom towards the MC. All roads lead to MC maledom, not the other way around. So in other words, I would not worry about femdom content in the game, or at least, towards/involving the MC.


I try to be as completely transparent and open as I can about my thought process, decision making, design choices, why I did these things, etc. I figure that's the least I owe you guys if I legitimately want to succeed and I absolutely do. I truly do not understand why this is so difficult or complicated for other devs. You guys have no problem taking their money but can't answer a few questions?

This is also just what I'm saying on F95, in our

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I am far more active with far more "behind the scenes" or "So here's how I did this scene, why I did it, and what I was thinking" type discussions.

Like I said a few pages ago, as long as people don't show up with some truly dumb shit (like this recent donut and his AI spiele, you mentioned I was ignoring you, well now here I am acknowledging you one time: No.), I have no problem being active and going back and forth with others. The general philosophy of this F95 thread is: if I ignored/didn't react your question/suggestion, it's not because I didn't see it, but because it's not worth my time answering you.

I don't know if you've finished Chapter 5 yet or not, but if you have... How do you think I did for image/transition-based sex scenes?

When I say the following: "Gay (male on trans, male on femboy only, both 100% optional)" — I mean the sex scenes themselves. They will still join the harem and be apart of the story regardless, I'm just planning on doing what I can to ensure the SEX SCENES are avoidable.

And before anyone drags their knuckles in here going "UHHH BUT IS IT AVOIDABLE OR SKIPPABLE? NOW LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS..."

NOTHING in the game will be "If you choose not to, it happens anyway, just offscreen." Nothing. Please quit asking this now.

Many thanks for the answer and transparency, time to give this game a whirl.

 

[OG-Cheese]

There's no any futa/trans character yet, you sensible prick.
Also almost in every game here ANY secondary content is optional.
Lol, do you even understand that you're making yuck face while jerking off to incest? Do you think that's normal?

Not really normal but I still would rather fuck my mom, sister, daughter or even my dead grandma than anyone with a dick. As everyone is forced into the harem even if it's optional too fuck them, sounds like MC will be romantic with / attracted too said girlcock / femboy which is already too much personally. Friend? sure no problem, LI? no thanks.

Only sad because I was enjoying the rest of the VN guess I will watch and see how things pan out.

Still wish GL to the dev.

 

[Motoko Kusanagi]

Great update, can't wait to see more!