wtf is up wit NTR

[Ass prefer]

I repeat, She Is lesbian so no....yet

WTF? Why did the developer add a beautiful female character, make Her a lesbian and the MC doesn't fuck her?

 

[Geigi]

 

[tanstaafl]

WTF? Why did the developer add a beautiful female character, make Her a lesbian and the MC doesn't fuck her?

There's already a thread for that, lol.

 

[Ass prefer]

There's already a thread for that, lol.

but I'm asking this particular person.

 

[tanstaafl]

but I'm asking this particular person.

 

[Ass prefer]

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Don't be an eternally dissatisfied old man

 

[tanstaafl]

Don't be an eternally dissatisfied old man

Being eternally dissatisfied is one of my only satisfactions in life.

 

[Ass prefer]

Being eternally dissatisfied is one of my only satisfactions in life.

Well, if you look sexy in this state

 

[ImariKurumi]

Personally not a fan of NTR, cheating and netori/cucking.

I've been cheated on once in the past though now its more of a lesson learnt.
My parents though, had a shit load of stuff going on. Infidelity, revenge cheating, false abuse claims, custody battles, parent's boy/girl friends taking advantage, step parents issues etc. It was extremely chaotic, had a huge negative impact on me growing up, though luckily enlisting helped me & my brother escape part of it. Its the primary reason why i absolutely hate anything to do with cheating, cucking/netori, NTR.

That said, i have no issues disassociating reality from fiction and sometimes enjoy the occasional NTR games as they're done really well, credit is due where credit is deserved. Either narrative wise or lewd scenes(ngl, these genres usually have the hottest lewd scenes due to its forbidden nature). For the most part, i avoid it, even if its optional. I'm fine with devs pursuing these genres, its their prerogative though there are 1 or 2 games that are really good but is a huge shame that it has NTR. But i don't whine about it, its their game afterall.

 

[woody554]

FWB relationship for example but nothing beyond that I don't see it as be NTR until it turns into a commitment of some sort.

depends how it's written. very easy to write a story where mc first has FWB sex with someone, the after while feelings begin to get hurt. in fact every movie that has ever employed that setting has gone that way. you fuck someone more than 1-2 times and very soon expectations of having some kind of claim to the other person will develop.

but yeah, it can just as well be written the opposite way, mc not having any feelings about it. and that could never be ntr, regardless of how many dummies thought so. people are super ignorant about most fetishes.

 

[lazerus13901]

Who wants to play a game to lose? NTR is losing. I like winning. Harem and Netori is superior

 

[crnisl]

Who wants to play a game to lose? NTR is losing. I like winning. Harem and Netori is superior

Have you read the "War Game", a short sci-fi story by Philip Dick? Experts are inspecting children's toys from an enemy country for hidden dangers. They've banned all the complex and interesting ones out of fear that something might go wrong. However, they let a

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clone through without fully understanding it. In the end, the true nature of the situation becomes clear.

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So, the idea is that they're promoting a certain woldview to undermine the perception of particular values and institutions.

 

[crnisl]

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Actually, if we do genderswap these guys, we get, from left to right
- a perverted otaku meganekko
- a bratty gyaru
- a dark-skinned tribal tomboy
- a cheeky loli

It's going to be a typical harem story, and all these girls are going to ntr the female childhood friend of our MC.

 

[chainedpanda]

I'm unsure if anyone has approached it from this angle, but from what I've experienced as an NTR hater, is simply because it's polarizing.

In the past, there wasn't anyway to exclude specific tags during searches. You could include tags, but not exclude them. This created a weird dynamic where if you search tags you do want, you'd sort of be forced to wade through content you didn't like. It resulted in people discovering games they thought were interesting, but didn't notice the NTR tag and were blind sighted.

Plus, there was a very brief time period where NTR fans were very vocal. I remember seeing random comments popping up from people asking for it to be included in games without it. Some developers actually listened to those fans, and a very small minority of games added NTR in a random update (I don't remember the games anymore, they're likely all dead anyway.)

NTR haters began to crop up as a result of all of this. A bit of paranoia sparked, and anti-NTR became a massive trend. There were also several large-scale arguments cropping up on numerous threads, mostly due to trolling, but there was also some NTR lovers who would also fan the flames.

Throughout all of this, the 'neutral' people started to despise NTR haters. It became 'popular' to be an NTR-hater hater. This further fueled the discourse, and while most of the NTR lovers had mostly became silent, the NTR-hater haters began to further fuel the arguments.

NTR-haters felt like they had become the #1 enemy of the forums. They grew more extreme, and the more people pushed back against their ideals, the more extreme they became. It certainly never helped that as a community, we could never come to an agreement on what "NTR" actually means in the first place, which only caused more arguments, even amongst the NTR-haters.

Meanwhile, outside of the adult gaming community, the NTR genre was growing in popularity. Rather it be hentai, or mainstream porn. Then the black/red pill crap started which only aggravated everything in the community even further.

So anyway, this is the origins of the communities NTR thing. At least from my perspective.

 

[desmosome]

some people cannot disengage from it being a fictional story and CANNOT do anything but self insert as the MC

This is by far the biggest group among the people that are obnoxious enough to be a "hater." People can prefer to self-insert into these VNs, and there is usually no problem from these people that do it as a choice. But there are some that cannot even fathom not self-inserting. I'd say they lack some amount of brain development and do not possess the ability to consider other people's experiences and viewpoints. Fitting, then, that they literally think the MC is them. And when some group of NTR enjoyers literally tell them that netorare genre has the best female corruption arcs and can be enjoyed for that without having to self-insert as the loser MC, they vehemently reject it because they cannot imagine not self-inserting (and probably also because they want to label them as a cuck to feel superior).

In the rare instances where I managed to enegage in somewhat civil discourse about the topic, the people that reject the non-self-insert reading of NTR (for FMC corruption, usually) as being a valid reason to enjoy the content are overwhelming people that reject our ability to not self-insert as the MC. They just can't wrap their heads around this seemingly mysterious ability.

 

[Gt8588]

Only not really lmao, please don't act like you fucking know shit if you don't, it only makes you look stupid.
Actual NTR fans mostly hang out in their ntr threads/lurk, they don't need to create any threads since they just don't care who thinks what, they rarely if ever even respond to the constant kink shaming they get from fucking annoying 'harem fans.'

Tell that to the dev of necro detecive. He refused to put ntr into his game, so a ntr lover stalked him and his family to force the guy to put ntr in, to the point of tracking down where the dev lived and worked. Forcing the dev to quit.

 

[tanstaafl]

Tell that to the dev of necro detecive. He refused to put ntr into his game, so a ntr lover stalked him and his family to force the guy to put ntr in, to the point of tracking down where the dev lived and worked. Forcing the dev to quit.

There are instances of fucked up things happening to people who put themselves out to the public across the board. Singers, authors, influencers, indie devs, teachers, etc. etc. The list goes on. What you can't do is look at the genre/classification of whatever that person is doing as the trigger for it happening. The trigger is "People be crazy".

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

Tell that to the dev of necro detecive. He refused to put ntr into his game, so a ntr lover stalked him and his family to force the guy to put ntr in, to the point of tracking down where the dev lived and worked. Forcing the dev to quit.

^That and also one fiasco in a pool of millions isn't an indicator of anything.

 

[LionInDarkness]

From the start, I want to say that my game will never have NTR. But all the questions about whether I will ever include it in my game made me curious. I understand that someone can dislike that content, but why, of all the kinks that people could dislike, do I only hear about that one? Why is it hated to this degree? I'm sure there are other things that people could hate, so why only worry about NTR? It is not even that common, or at least I have never seen it in many games.

I have never flamed a dev or even really gone out to attack a game for having it but uh....so for me, i just hate the genre which is why I don't seek them out or engage with them. I doubt i speak for anyone else but there have been alot of times when i'll read a doujin and the story is going great, the art is nice, the characters have chemistry and then all of a sudden some evil fuck appears and he has no eyes and you already know where its going. Although tags do exist and I look through them, alot of times certain works will be untagged or simply slip through and you find out about the ntr first hand. Again, this is my personal experience that ignited my hatred for it. When the work is about an unloved, disrespected, or neglected woman who falls for the mc of the story (which is technically ntr/cheating) then I'm cool with it. I suppose I could say i'm for happy ntr. I'm in no way gonna be upset that it's a big enough of a thing that ppl rail against it. I will say on the list of things I truely hate in art and games, its close but not the top....no no no....that goes to shotacon.

 

[blitxo]

The best way to enjoy NTR is with quantum superposition.

You self insert as the cuck.

You self insert as the bull.

You self insert as the girl.

You self insert as a omniscient third party observer.

All of the above can be done at once in some linear combination. No one can stop you.