AceOfNiagara

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Huh? It supports GPUs back to 2007.
Info isn't exactly clear but I do know with my Windows 7 64bit with ati radeon xpress 200 series, any game made with renpy 7.4.0+ either the images when game is open are not displaying properly, or I get the "is not a valid application" type message.
Something to do with the newer type of GL2 and GL3 type shader.
 

MysteryCrabs

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Dec 15, 2019
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Info isn't exactly clear but I do know with my Windows 7 64bit with ati radeon xpress 200 series, any game made with renpy 7.4.0+ either the images when game is open are not displaying properly, or I get the "is not a valid application" type message.
Something to do with the newer type of GL2 and GL3 type shader.
The "is not a valid application" error is because of custom icons. Just delete the .ico file. Nothing to do with shaders.

The ATI Radeon Xpress 200 is based on the ATI R300 GPU... from 2002.
 

AceOfNiagara

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The "is not a valid application" error is because of custom icons. Just delete the .ico file. Nothing to do with shaders.

The ATI Radeon Xpress 200 is based on the ATI R300 GPU... from 2002.
Their is no .ico file in either the game that failed to open or the game that did but images weren't displaying correctly.
 

MysteryCrabs

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Their is no .ico file in either the game that failed to open or the game that did but images weren't displaying correctly.
Sorry, not an ico file, renpy doesn't use those anymore. game/gui/window_icon.png. Depending on the game it might be stored inside of an *.rpa file
 

AceOfNiagara

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Sorry, not an ico file, renpy doesn't use those anymore. game/gui/window_icon.png. Depending on the game it might be stored inside of an *.rpa file
Still get "not valid application" for the one that can't open.
As for the one that did open but had problems with displaying the images while the game was open, an uncaught exception occurred.

Since this is technically OT territory, PM if you wish to continue this.
 

cakeny

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Mind Drop #9 (2/3/2021)

A rare Wednesday mind drop! I accidentally slept for way longer than intended yesterday and that's why this post is a bit behind. I don't have a whole lot to talk about but there are a few things I should mention, so let's get into it.

Game related stuff:
- Managed to get both releases out last month and that was cool but ideally they wouldn't have been both at the end of the month. The most ideal scenario is a release towards the first 7-10 days a month and a second around the 21st-23rd of the month.

- I'm working my way towards ideal but this will be another stepping stone month. The target for the next release is mid Feb with another one near the end of Feb.

- I'm considering putting out a few teaser images from the Week 1 redo soon.
Dev related stuff:
- I have both a ton and nothing to talk about at the same time. Most of the in-progress things aren't ready to be publicly discussed yet and the other things I want to talk about I go more into down below! So, onto personal stuff.

Personal related stuff:
- It was awesome being able to take the time to spend with my grandpa without it being detrimental to the game. I love the new work system. It feels really nice when everything works, my life feels a lot less robotic and I feel more rejuvenated and creative than ever before.

- A fun fact about me is that I still type like a child. I only type with my index fingers. And it's not a big deal but I type a lot... and I've been having some hand pain and it's pretty obvious it's coming from typing with two fingers.
So I've been working on how to type properly and it's been tough to fight the muscle memory and I still catch myself trying to type with two all the time but I'm getting better about it.
I've been playing some typing games in my free time (It's fun to learn a skill that will help with productivity without it feeling like a chore) and I think it'll be fun to add my average WPM to these weekly posts to see how I improve over time.
Two fingers: 71 WPM
Properly: 49 WPM (It'd be a lot faster but I make a ton of mistakes still)

Okay... time for the other topic of this post. Changes:
(WIP, NOT FINAL)(1st before, 2nd after) (Ruby is more finalized than Moon)

Ruby and Moon are the most recent to be hit with the update bat.
Ruby was one of the first characters I made for WVM and I made it work for a while but with the upcoming pool party scene it made it very apparent that something had to change. She stood out and not in a positive way.
(Not the first instance of this happening but I tweaked other scenes for her)
At first I tried to tweak her a bit and fix some of the issues but the more I tweaked the more I realized it was time for a new model... and with Moon being her sister and having similar issues she needs changed as well.
It's hard to say exactly why but I think these new models fit the respective characters / personalities way more so than the previous as well.
(Another reminder, these are not final but they are the direction they're headed in. I'll tweak throughout the week and have an update for you in the next mind drop )

Changes always bring up interesting topics and causes some to panic about more characters getting the update bat. So I want to be fully transparent and say that there are only two characters that may have some large changes in the future. Lauren (possible rework) and Katie (possible tweaks, not rework)(These are for similar reasons as Ruby and Moon) the other girls are safe.

If you hate the changes I'd say give it some time. There'll be tweaks and I think it'll grow on you.

That's all for this week! Thank you guys for everything.
I hope you all have amazing weeks and I'll see you soon, love you guys. <3
Sad to hear you're going forward with model changes.
 

Reniere

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I don't mind the changes to some of the models if BD wants to. I see it more like he wants people to be more interested in them which if a change means he thinks that's possible so be it. The only problem i have are small with the new models like ruby's eyebrow, eyes and lips not looking natural, I actually like her new hair.

On Moon i don't like the eyebrows and eyes also i actually liked the side tilt on the hair in front of the face.

Still doesn't bother me if it's his choice to change his models either or it doesn't matter if BD wants to change em let him. The new models might grow on people who knows.
 

Spfjolietjake

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I don't mind the changes to some of the models if BD wants to. I see it more like he wants people to be more interested in them which if a change means he thinks that's possible so be it. The only problem i have are small with the new models like ruby's eyebrow, eyes and lips not looking natural, I actually like her new hair.

On Moon i don't like the eyebrows and eyes also i actually liked the side tilt on the hair in front of the face.

Still doesn't bother me if it's his choice to change his models either or it doesn't matter if BD wants to change em let him. The new models might grow on people who knows.
I seriously dislike them, but as you say it's Braindrop's vn. He has done so much for his fans both paying and pirates like me that I can't bad mouth him for the few things I dislike...

except he if added more Damien to the story... ahem besides that I will still be a fan
 

Master of Puppets

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I don't think anything will matter unless she opens her eyes and sees that her husband does not care about her or Jamie and Liz. That is the issue. Jamie indicated that she had her mom watch all the interviews about the MC so she probably heard a lot of the stories already. Millie seems to think the MC has no idea what a relationship should be like since he came from a broken home, it is too bad she can't realize she doesn't know what a real relationship is either.
That's why I think that her living with them for a while will be what does it, if she sees for herself that he really does care for all of the girls and isn't just looking to get his dick wet, and that there's far more love in that house than in her own, she may be resistant for a while but eventually she'll realise the truth. Of course I might be wrong, there might be some big singular event that changes her mind like Ryker trying to kill Jamie and him saving her, but I really hope not. Technically that would pass my 'keep drama relevant to the girls' rule but I really hope we're done with that kind of thing.
 
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None of my saves are working.

Code:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
    renpy.load(fn)
Exception: Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in script
    python hide:
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ast.py", line 900, in execute
    renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 1930, in py_exec_bytecode
    exec bytecode in globals, locals
  File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in <module>
    python hide:
  File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 35, in _execute_python_hide
    ui.interact()
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ui.py", line 289, in interact
    rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 2690, in interact
    repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, **kwargs)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 3493, in interact_core
    rv = root_widget.event(ev, x, y, 0)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/transition.py", line 47, in event
    return self.new_widget.event(ev, x, y, st)  # E1101
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/screen.py", line 697, in event
    rv = self.child.event(ev, x, y, st)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 244, in event
    rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 244, in event
    rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 244, in event
    rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/behavior.py", line 923, in event
    return handle_click(self.clicked)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/behavior.py", line 858, in handle_click
    rv = run(action)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/behavior.py", line 320, in run
    return action(*args, **kwargs)
  File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
    renpy.load(fn)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/loadsave.py", line 753, in load
    log.unfreeze(roots, label="_after_load")
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 1885, in unfreeze
    self.rollback(0, force=True, label=label, greedy=greedy, on_load=True)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 1713, in rollback
    raise Exception("Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?")
Exception: Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?

Darwin-20.3.0-x86_64-i386-64bit
Ren'Py 7.2.2.491
WVM 0.9.4
Thu Feb  4 00:35:09 2021
 

AmIReal

Member
Jan 21, 2018
454
601
None of my saves are working.

Code:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
    renpy.load(fn)
Exception: Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in script
    python hide:
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ast.py", line 900, in execute
    renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 1930, in py_exec_bytecode
    exec bytecode in globals, locals
  File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in <module>
    python hide:
  File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 35, in _execute_python_hide
    ui.interact()
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ui.py", line 289, in interact
    rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 2690, in interact
    repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, **kwargs)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 3493, in interact_core
    rv = root_widget.event(ev, x, y, 0)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/transition.py", line 47, in event
    return self.new_widget.event(ev, x, y, st)  # E1101
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/screen.py", line 697, in event
    rv = self.child.event(ev, x, y, st)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 244, in event
    rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 244, in event
    rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 244, in event
    rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/behavior.py", line 923, in event
    return handle_click(self.clicked)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/behavior.py", line 858, in handle_click
    rv = run(action)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/behavior.py", line 320, in run
    return action(*args, **kwargs)
  File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
    renpy.load(fn)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/loadsave.py", line 753, in load
    log.unfreeze(roots, label="_after_load")
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 1885, in unfreeze
    self.rollback(0, force=True, label=label, greedy=greedy, on_load=True)
  File "/private/var/folders/n9/5pl0tsqd5zx52sp70yls4yk00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1F3924DF-460A-4B2A-9423-0E4A892A2D9C/d/WVM.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 1713, in rollback
    raise Exception("Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?")
Exception: Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?

Darwin-20.3.0-x86_64-i386-64bit
Ren'Py 7.2.2.491
WVM 0.9.4
Thu Feb  4 00:35:09 2021
You need to DL the fixed version.
 
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FookU2

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I started over, trying to make a run at just the girlfriend, and no other females.
Just learned you apparently can't avoid polygamy in this game. lol
And here I thought I could stop the mom from starting a yelling match with her daughters. lol
 

FookU2

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That's why I think that her living with them for a while will be what does it, if she sees for herself that he really does care for all of the girls and isn't just looking to get his dick wet, and that there's far more love in that house than in her own, she may be resistant for a while but eventually she'll realise the truth. Of course I might be wrong, there might be some big singular event that changes her mind like Ryker trying to kill Jamie and him saving her, but I really hope not. Technically that would pass my 'keep drama relevant to the girls' rule but I really hope we're done with that kind of thing.
If the option came up in the story, I'd be likely to put a bullet in Ryker. That'd end it, for sure. lol
Even write in an excuse to get away with it. :)
 

Spfjolietjake

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If the option came up in the story, I'd be likely to put a bullet in Ryker. That'd end it, for sure. lol
Even write in an excuse to get away with it. :)
I'm petty myself, Ryker and Damien would be found after making a "lover's Suicide pact". Damien's mom would be taken care of through a certain charity, if she even exists. So it's good I don't write :p
 
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