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Hordragg

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I assume it will do with the "family" being teased again. He has openly teased and on HERE of all places that there would one day perhaps be a modder (not him... officially he is openly against sexy "family" content to be onside with Patreon) which would fill in the content that the games story itself and several of its characters have been pushing almost since the start. Its kinda inevitable, just dont elude to it being Braindrop despite being a 100% carbon copy of his style of work to an uncanny degree. Were overdue the adopted mom date and itll likely be in this update so of course as ever for "silly reasons" people are gonna wanna fuck her and will rage they cant yet despite banging almost everyone else you meet with little to no effort and the usual puritans will come here and preach it will NEVER happen in face of said evidence like theyve done so a hundred times already.

The only other content i can see worrying the dev enough to get a vocal backlash enough to worry him (though lets put it all in context here folks, the community for WVM is amongst the most chill there is outside of above bickering being the norm) is perhaps a Damien redemption arc? There are a vocal minority who outright seen against the very notion of him being redeemed.
To Paul Stanley as portrayed in Family Guy's Road to Europe: Damien is dead to me now.

Don't get me wrong, I'll happily go along with everything Braindrop will throw at us, but I still do hope any redemption arc for Damien will be optional. Or at the very least absurdly long-drawn-out.
 
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Krynh

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To Paul Stanley as portrayed in Family Guy's Road to Europe: Damien is dead to me now.

Don't get me wrong, I'll happily go along with everything Braindrop will throw at us, but I still do hope any redemption arc for Damien will be optional. Or at the very least absurdly long-drawn-out.
Yes. Not a fan of the redemption arc idea for damien or Ryker
 

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The only other content i can see worrying the dev enough to get a vocal backlash enough to worry him (though lets put it all in context here folks, the community for WVM is amongst the most chill there is outside of above bickering being the norm) is perhaps a Damien redemption arc? There are a vocal minority who outright seen against the very notion of him being redeemed.
I don't think there will be a Damien redemption arc, at least from the MC's perspective since the MC already said he won't fully forgive him and said to just talk to Belle for help with his mom.

Maybe Damien saves the MC's life or something but that would be pretty forced storytelling. I don't think Damien is gone from the story completely but his time is pretty much over imo. So no real redemption arc for him.
 
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Yes. Not a fan of the redemption arc idea for damien or Ryker
I suspect we might see Damien again after day 9, but somewhat subdued and regretful, and not for at least another week or two into the storyline, perhaps even a few months or a year. Redemption is unlikely, but due to MC's kind nature, I suspect MC might find a way to guide Damien to a better path somewhere down the road, but they will still not be friends or anywhere close.

Ryker's redemption is impossible, based on what's happened. We'll most likely see him again only through news coverage/footage, or at most, a hospital or jail visit, just to understand what the hell is going on, and to find out who Ryker's boss is. That visit might be by MC himself, or by a friend/colleague of Rachael, Willabelle, or Valerie (these three are most likely candidates to push this part of the story forward). If MC makes the visit, we'll see it, otherwise, Ryker's revelations would be delivered by one of those who's closest to MC.
 

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I see Damien as redeemable as he was under enormous pressure and didn't do anything to harm MC and even tried to get him to just leave. Ryker is not. He's just a bastard who was working almost the whole game to harm the MC. He'll either stay in a coma or wind up going up the river. I do think Jasmine will be added to the Harem. That's another black mark on Damien how he hurt her. It would also help the team getting Damien back as he was still a great player, while Ryker was mediocre and his attitude would hurt more than even a decent player's skills would help.
 

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I don't think there will be a Damien redemption arc, at least from the MC's perspective since the MC already said he won't fully forgive him and said to just talk to Belle for help with his mom.

Maybe Damien saves the MC's life or something but that would be pretty forced storytelling. I don't think Damien is gone from the story completely but his time is pretty much over imo. So no real redemption arc for him.
A lot of people not just you seem to equate forgiveness with redemption.
You don't have to be forgiven for a bad act to be redeemed and reformed as an individual. It's entirely possible within the context of the story that we still see Damien, he's not forgiven and he manages to turn his life around and be a better person.

A very simple epilogue or even hospital scene with him caring for his ill mother, a face to face apology to Jasmine and coming out is really all that would be needed to showcase that he's at the very least working to be a better person. After that you can write him off or just have him be a fan in the background for all that matters.
 

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I don't see Damien as forgivable any time soon. If he goes off to another school and turns his life around, does some good work for one of Rachael or Willabelle's associates then after a few years they could make up with him, but anything short of that would feel very wrong. He went too far for forgiveness to come easy.
 

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A lot of people not just you seem to equate forgiveness with redemption.
You don't have to be forgiven for a bad act to be redeemed and reformed as an individual. It's entirely possible within the context of the story that we still see Damien, he's not forgiven and he manages to turn his life around and be a better person.

A very simple epilogue or even hospital scene with him caring for his ill mother, a face to face apology to Jasmine and coming out is really all that would be needed to showcase that he's at the very least working to be a better person. After that you can write him off or just have him be a fan in the background for all that matters.
I would agree if not for the fact we are playing as the MC. Not Damien. So Damien's redemption is tied up in the MC, and thus the player, forgiving him.

Compared to someone like John Marston from Red Dead Redemption who we play as through a very long redemption arc, and even in that case it is ambiguous if John redeemed himself in the end.

And because we play as the MC, that means any Damien redemption scenes would need to take place in the presence of the MC. What I think what most people mean by not wanting a redemption arc for Damien, is that they don't want Braindrop to devote a lot of story time to the MC being with Damien while he does good acts (which should have been things he was already doing). I think most people would rather spend more time with the girls.
 

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I don't see Damien as forgivable any time soon. If he goes off to another school and turns his life around, does some good work for one of Rachael or Willabelle's associates then after a few years they could make up with him, but anything short of that would feel very wrong. He went too far for forgiveness to come easy.
That is your decision, but I would like to offer a counterpoint, respectfully.

Forgiveness is not a metric that one can measure out imperically, its based point to point based on how one feels the actions taken have negatively affected people at large. So saying that Damien went too far for forgiveness to come easily, did he really?

He did bad, yes, but in desperation and a time of confusion and uncertainty. Not an excuse for the actions, but rather a lens by which to see why they occurred. He didn't cause us direct harm, he was just a leg man for something worse, and trying to scale down what Ryker was doing. If put in the same shoes, I'm sure many good people can and will take up some less than moral stances if it means getting their loved one the support they need-just because you are out of options.

Emotionally speaking, Damien was manipulated and coerced into aiding Ryker's ambitions, objectively speaking I think in so far as what he perpetrated against us-he is merely an unfortunate soul who really got the short end of plenty of sticks. Humans are fragile, and at the same time, willing to go through a lot of lengths to protect the people they care about. This includes our MC, who got the shit kicked out of him in an effort to ensure everyone else stayed safe. Foolish? Yes, the both of them are. Damien isn't evil, he was just scared and needed help-help that was given to him at a price and that ultimately cost him everything.

Now as for Jasmine, yeah there's no excusing that behavior, and really that isn't a player forgiving Damien moment-that is between Jasmine and Damien and us being there for our big booty lovely lady :). She seems to have written him off, so we should do the same in that avenue, we can be disgusted by how he did this to her but in the end I don't think that falls under the purview of forgiveness that we can be giving out. It's a stance we can take on him personally, but should not affect how we approach how he can begin the process of redemption and moving forwards.

All in all, I think Damien has done far less than any other antagonist of this story so far, being more or less an anti-villain that was set up specifically as a fall guy, for when shit got bad. Did he do wrong? Yes. Should he be punished? Yes. Should that punishment be excessive or extreme to the point of disregarding his motives? No, not really. Leniency I feel, should be granted in this situation, and we should think about what kind of shit we would do if Azel were put in that same instance. As well as if it was just her and us with nobody to help back us up in that moment.

In the end I feel like redemption should come much more impactfully, and sooner, than many people are feeling. Not in so far as all is forgiven and all is forgotten-but that in that same way all of it came crashing down around us. In that we lost what we felt was a good teammate, that so to can a meteoric rise be made back up to show that when not being manipulated and twisted around a person's finger, Damien can do some incredible things in the background that ultimately, at the very least, shows that he was simply dealt a bad hand, and acted poorly with it.

The Jasmine stuff notwithstanding, as I feel that once Jasmine defines she is over it, we should be over it as well. Especially if he is a lot more honest with himself, and doesn't pull this again in future relationships that might be inferred, if he is brought up at all in the future.

so yeah, that's my feels on it, I just kinda picked you cause I'd been seeing those kinds of messages for a while and finally just decided to have my own rebuttal.. No malice is intended, just an academic retort to your stance with my own observations and meditations :)
 
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