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PrimeGuy

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The anger thing has been explored on both sides, so I'm not going to add to it. I will say, though, that what the MC did to Ryker I don't think is just going to go away and never come back. The fact that we still don't know how badly he was hurt says that it's going to come out later to some serious impact. It's already been said that it's being kept from the MC to protect him, but those kinds of situations often backfire.
 

Brannon

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Yes.
And No.

It was clearly visible on several viral videos that Ryker and his goons attacked a somewhat random dude and the MC first. With a weapon and deadly intent.
Regardless of how overpaid the lawyers are that Ryker can afford, if any, the issue will not come around to bite MC in the ass later on.
There is absolutely no way in hell or other places Ryker can weasel his way out and cause further headaches.

In the beta part whatshername assured the MC in the message that Ryker won't be a problem.
So did the lawyer chick whose name eludes me right now.
Raechel did the same.
 

Master of Puppets

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What is nevertheless problematic is the first situation in which Ryker was struck down by our protagonist. It was clearly the dream sequence with his father that triggered the situation and was a kind of "sleepwalking" I suppose. Fortunately, it was only Ryker in that scenario who got punched in the nose. But what would have happened if someone else who really just wanted to help him had been in Ryker's place?
Didn't Stacy tell him that Ryker was getting handsy with her or something? He was sleepwalking at the time so he couldn't recognise what he was actually seeing, but if Stacy was struggling with Ryker I'd say knocking him out that time was justified as well.
 

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Didn't Stacy tell him that Ryker was getting handsy with her or something? He was sleepwalking at the time so he couldn't recognise what he was actually seeing, but if Stacy was struggling with Ryker I'd say knocking him out that time was justified as well.
I don't remember the exact conversation with Ryker about the first encounter, I just remember him trying to scare her away or something. And yes, Ryker getting punched in the nose is, in retrospect, quite justified in terms of his plans, but it doesn't change the fact that someone else who really wanted to help him could have gotten punched in the nose, precisely because our protagonist was sleepwalking and not in control of his senses.

Unless we now argue that while our protagonist was asleep, Ryker said something or had a similar athmospere around him that reminded our character's subconscious of his father.
 

Brannon

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Unless we now argue that while our protagonist was asleep, Ryker said something or had a similar athmospere around him that reminded our character's subconscious of his father.
Not relevant.

Sleepwalking people almost always react with violence when unexpectedly woken up.
That is a scientificly proven fact and not only an urban myth.
The MC was kind of lucky Cedey already was awoken from her sleepwalking experience when he found her barefoot in the streets. Otherwise he may have left the experience with a new scar.
It does not matter if the first person they see is his/her mother or a serial killer with an axe. They can and mostly do react aggressively against that person.
 

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Not sure what the civilian laws are but depending on the situation the military had/has regs stating a person was not responsible for any violent outbursts from being woke up suddenly. I cannot remember The length of time that was covered in that reg. But basically it covers situations like MC in the basement with Ryker, and Harper punching the MC in the nose after the nightmare
 

Brannon

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Basically the same.
The length is not fixed in the countries that spring to mind but is set in a case by case environment.
 

PrimeGuy

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Yes.
And No.

It was clearly visible on several viral videos that Ryker and his goons attacked a somewhat random dude and the MC first. With a weapon and deadly intent.
Regardless of how overpaid the lawyers are that Ryker can afford, if any, the issue will not come around to bite MC in the ass later on.
There is absolutely no way in hell or other places Ryker can weasel his way out and cause further headaches.

In the beta part whatshername assured the MC in the message that Ryker won't be a problem.
So did the lawyer chick whose name eludes me right now.
Raechel did the same.
It doesn't have to be a legal issue to come back and bite him. Depending on what happened to Ryker, just finding out could cause the MC distress. There's a lot of ways for that to come back into the story, and not all of them are things that Rachel, the lawyer, or Willabelle can protect against.
 

Brannon

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It doesn't have to be a legal issue to come back and bite him. Depending on what happened to Ryker, just finding out could cause the MC distress. There's a lot of ways for that to come back into the story, and not all of them are things that Rachel, the lawyer, or Willabelle can protect against.
No even remotely sane person gives a rat's ass about how and if a person that attacked multiple people with murderous intent lives.
Even Ghandi would have had troubles forgiving such a crime.

Ryker lost all potential to be mourned or even thought about the moment he attacked multiple people with a weapon with the victim helpless on the ground.
He does not deserve any form or thought.

Maybe if Ryker survives more or less intact, becomes a saint and further down the line is hurt by some different means it may cause some distress.
But let's stay realistic. That won't happen. Like ever.
 

PrimeGuy

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No even remotely sane person gives a rat's ass about how and if a person that attacked multiple people with murderous intent lives.
Even Ghandi would have had troubles forgiving such a crime.

Ryker lost all potential to be mourned or even thought about the moment he attacked multiple people with a weapon with the victim helpless on the ground.
He does not deserve any form or thought.

Maybe if Ryker survives more or less intact, becomes a saint and further down the line is hurt by some different means it may cause some distress.
But let's stay realistic. That won't happen. Like ever.
The human psyche is a weird thing. Maybe you wouldn't feel bad about it, but a lot of people feel horrible for doing things well deserved to terrible people. Many people's brains are just so wired against doing serious harm to others that it messes them up no matter who it was on the receiving end, and emotional trauma isn't the only way this could come back to bite the MC.
 
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Brannon

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The human psyche is a weird thing. Maybe you wouldn't feel bad about it, but a lot of people feel horrible for doing things well deserved to terrible people. Many people's brains are just so wired against doing serious harm to others that it messes them up no matter who it was on the receiving end, and emotional trauma isn't the only way this could come back to bite the MC.
True.
But he "has bigger fish to fry".
The potentially ruined life of the terrible assailant of him and his mom is the least of the possible problems he has.

There is the harem.
There is basketball.
There is college.
There is PR (impossible to shield him).
There is Raechel.
There is his personal life.
There is childhood trauma.
There is the "drug lord saga".
...

Plus there are multiple girls he'd like to help.
One of them is McKenzie. Another is the swimmer girl whose name eludes me right now. A third is the corpulent girl.

Ryder could certainly be on the list MC has but he is pretty far down. If at all.

Kind of "pain relieving 101".
If you have a hurting foot and get hit with a hammer onto your head the pain in the foot is forgotten about.


Not saying there is no possible repercussion but it more than very likely is minimal at best.
 

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I'm not sure if I would call it anger management, but in real life it would be clearly a problem.
Depending on how big the injuries are, it also can be a big burden. The most human would struggle after they hit someone half to death. It's nothing you can control.
But that's only in real life. We will see how BD will handle it.
 

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I'm not sure if I would call it anger management, but in real life it would be clearly a problem.
Depending on how big the injuries are, it also can be a big burden. The most human would struggle after they hit someone half to death. It's nothing you can control.
But that's only in real life. We will see how BD will handle it.
As said above the "anger problem" is an "adrenaline problem".
The MC was injured, already in a fight for a certain amount of time and saw a loved one being attacked.
Yes the "red mist descends" but that is 99.9995% because of adrenaline.

Adrenaline is one hell of a drug.
It basically switches off the brain to a degree so the body can continue working and surviving. For instance almost all pain can't be felt when "high on adrenaline". After a big injury people often just calmly collect the fingers just cut off.

But it also means that higher brain functions are not possible to a large degree.
The brain basically is in "survival mode" in which a person can achieve much for survival but almost nothing in terms of thinking.
For instance adrenaline also plays a role in "examination panic" many students have problems with. You simply can't remember stuff when you are in panic, afraid or stressed.

If the drug wears off temporary loss of memory is nothing unheard of. In fact rather common.
 

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It has nothing to do with the adrenalin.
Yes there was a big fight, he got injured, and clearly he was full of adrenalin. Then the fight was over, and they had a discussion. After this, his mom crashed the car against 2 of them. Then MC and mom are talking and wanted to hug.

Now Ryker hit his mom and that's the first time when it goes red. If it were the adrenalin, it would get red long before. It's clearly the anger.
 

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Err ...
Don't know if we have played the same sequence then.

There was no break between the full pile-up when the asshat tried to use the head of the "second mother" as a baseball and the "first mother" saving MC with a car crash after he stopped the baseball bat and saved his "second mother" that way.
I mean there obviously were some seconds between these sections but they were NOT long enough to get the drug out of the system.

Adrenaline is relatively quick to flush out of the systems, it happens in some minutes.
But the beating up of the asshat happened SECONDS after MC had a new stream of adrenaline pushed into his system when the car crash saved him.


Did you seriously think in the middle of the fight there was a break long enough to host a tea party?
Without ANY form of law enforcement or reinforcements arriving at the scene?
 

Master of Puppets

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I don't remember the exact conversation with Ryker about the first encounter, I just remember him trying to scare her away or something. And yes, Ryker getting punched in the nose is, in retrospect, quite justified in terms of his plans, but it doesn't change the fact that someone else who really wanted to help him could have gotten punched in the nose, precisely because our protagonist was sleepwalking and not in control of his senses.
That's assuming that his subconscious wasn't reacting to Ryker hitting him first. Someone else who really wanted to help him probably wouldn't have knocked him out and dumped him in a basement.
 

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Err ...
Don't know if we have played the same sequence then.

There was no break between the full pile-up when the asshat tried to use the head of the "second mother" as a baseball and the "first mother" saving MC with a car crash after he stopped the baseball bat and saved his "second mother" that way.
I mean there obviously were some seconds between these sections but they were NOT long enough to get the drug out of the system.

Adrenaline is relatively quick to flush out of the systems, it happens in some minutes.
But the beating up of the asshat happened SECONDS after MC had a new stream of adrenaline pushed into his system when the car crash saved him.


Did you seriously think in the middle of the fight there was a break long enough to host a tea party?
Without ANY form of law enforcement or reinforcements arriving at the scene?
I played the scene again for the Screenshots...
Maybe you play it again, because it sounds like you don't remember it correctly.

And again: During the fight was no red visual, and it's clearly, that he had a lot of adrenalin in his body while he was beaten up. If the red stands for adrenalin, it has to get red a lot earlier.
 
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