Blue Pasture

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Gemini says that 10k should give you a decent livelihood for a family of 4 in USA and that's considering you're a hard working middle class.
BD probably isn't doing it as main job.
10k in pay is decent in the US. $10k in Patreon subs isn't remotely the same. Patreon is going to be taking up to 30% when all is said and done. That 70% you get is only $84k/year in revenue. Assuming he was above board as a dev, he would have spent some of that on Daz assets and the hardware to render the game on. If you've been top 50-ish in adult games on Patreon while using Daz assets, I'm gonna guess some of the Daz model sellers are verifying you've paid to use their assets that appear in your game.

Gemini (google AI) says that to be the equivalent of $120k in pay from a normal job would be like $160k-180k as an indie, so his $84k is not even half of what Graphtreon might make it seem. After expenses and self-employment taxes on the remainder, $120k in Patreon might be equal to making $60k at a regular job. Lots of variable in there, but definitely not "getting rich" levels of income.

As I've said on the topic before, not defending BD in the least, just trying to bring some reality to this conversation, as folks who've never been self-employed in the US don't understand the distinction between getting a paycheck and being hit with that 1099. I also just read that the Patreon 1099 in the US is for gross revenue, so you likely have to do a self-employed or business-type return to write off all the fees they charged. Otherwise you're paying income tax on the money they took from you.
 

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10k in pay is decent in the US. $10k in Patreon subs isn't remotely the same. Patreon is going to be taking up to 30% when all is said and done. That 70% you get is only $84k/year in revenue. Assuming he was above board as a dev, he would have spent some of that on Daz assets and the hardware to render the game on. If you've been top 50-ish in adult games on Patreon while using Daz assets, I'm gonna guess some of the Daz model sellers are verifying you've paid to use their assets that appear in your game.

Gemini (google AI) says that to be the equivalent of $120k in pay from a normal job would be like $160k-180k as an indie, so his $84k is not even half of what Graphtreon might make it seem. After expenses and self-employment taxes on the remainder, $120k in Patreon might be equal to making $60k at a regular job. Lots of variable in there, but definitely not "getting rich" levels of income.

As I've said on the topic before, not defending BD in the least, just trying to bring some reality to this conversation, as folks who've never been self-employed in the US don't understand the distinction between getting a paycheck and being hit with that 1099. I also just read that the Patreon 1099 in the US is for gross revenue, so you likely have to do a self-employed or business-type return to write off all the fees they charged. Otherwise you're paying income tax on the money they took from you.
here do the math with this site.
 

Blue Pasture

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here do the math with this site.
Did you quote the wrong post, because I even explicitly mention Graphtreon in my post.

Graphtreon is providing a guestimate of what they think the gross revenue is based on the publicly available number of paid members and some guess of what the average $ per sucker is. If you go back to the estimates prior to 2022, it looks like the actual gross revenue was public, and his members averaged $5.51 back then.

His member count has dropped by 500 since then, and I would hope the ones that are remaining are on the lower tiers making that average drop. Hence, $10k in gross revenue is entirely plausible. The rest of the math is based on very basic business accounting principles like the difference between gross revenue and net profit, and US tax law.
 

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Did you quote the wrong post, because I even explicitly mention Graphtreon in my post.

Graphtreon is providing a guestimate of what they think the gross revenue is based on the publicly available number of paid members and some guess of what the average $ per sucker is. If you go back to the estimates prior to 2022, it looks like the actual gross revenue was public, and his members averaged $5.51 back then.

His member count has dropped by 500 since then, and I would hope the ones that are remaining are on the lower tiers making that average drop. Hence, $10k in gross revenue is entirely plausible. The rest of the math is based on very basic business accounting principles like the difference between gross revenue and net profit, and US tax law.
All I saw was Gemini and blacked out lol
 
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Without double checking it, I'm sure my numbers weren't 100% on. I'm not very good at math, but I think the point was, he makes way too much money, even with Pateron taking their cut, he makes way too much for the little work he does
 

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Without double checking it, I'm sure my numbers weren't 100% on. I'm not very good at math, but I think the point was, he makes way too much money, even with Pateron taking their cut, he makes way too much for the little work he does
Oh absolutely. If we are going based on effort put in.... I'm pretty sure he owes all of his Patrons money :ROFLMAO:
 
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Is that fucker still MIA?
He probably died. Don't worry, his wife is a necromancer so he'll live again to only post a 5min update. Then later he will run out of gas and be stalked by a chainsaw wielding inbred psychopath for months but he will somehow escape him and come out with another 5min update. All while making LI bio's.

With the amount of bullshit excuses and lies he comes up with...this could very much come true....
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$84k per year for doing LI bio sheets? Sign me up! :LOL:
$84k would be revenue. Actual take-home equivalent salary maybe $60k. Still too much for not delivering shit. I haven't been around this game since the beginning, but I recall someone saying he was a Steelers fan. If he is living in the Pittsburg area, $60k is below the median household income for the area.
 
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