Embercat

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Every now and then, I check in on WVM to see if the needle has moved. It is pretty incredible to me how loyal the fans are in keeping WVM's finances as high as they are. I first came across WVM maybe 2 to 3 years ago. In that time, I have released a novel series, written a successful Literotica series, and landed a writing role with an AVN studio. All this, while struggling with ADHD, anxiety, and depression.

My thoughts regarding the steadfastness of paid followers for WVM fluctuate often. On some level, I even admire that kind of dedication and hope that one day I can write something that commands that much ardent support and fervor from a community (not for the monetary sake, but more for the knowledge of knowing I've created something that means that much to so many).

However, since coming to work in the AVN space, I will admit I often feel a sense of envy for the situation the DEV has here. Even achieving what I would consider a moderate level of success in my creative ambitions and dreams, I do not think I have earned in a year what WVM makes in a month. Money is always tight, and completing scripts, updates, etc, is an actual necessity just to live month to month.

Through my dips in and out of the threads and updates (or lack thereof) of content for WVM, I often see calls for players to drop support as a means to incentivize the game's development. But, in recent times, I kind of wish the supporters of this game would send even a portion of their WVM sub to lesser known devs and creatives (NOT ME IN CASE IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M ANGLING FOR A HANDOUT).

Still, I see so many promising solo devs and games stuck in situations where they genuinely want to get their story out, to be able to quit a day job to devote more time to projects, or to invest in better hardware and assets so their game doesn't look like it was birthed on the PS1. There are so many creators out there with great promise and a genuine drive to deliver, but whose situations mean they simply don't have the monetary support to do so, especially in the economy we are enduring today. Great concept games are abandoned because newer developers simply have to choose their 'day job' work and paying the bills over making games, worlds, and characters they are passionate about and wish to share with the world.

It makes me wish that, for even a month, the community around WVM would just consider diverting some of that money they pour into WVM elsewhere, to other worthy projects and causes in the AVN sphere.

If Graphtreon is to be believed, WVM earns between $7-18k a month. Imagine what that would mean for a smaller developer starting out and needing just a little goodwill and public support to get over the initial hurdle of setting up their game and devoting the time needed to get it off the ground. That $11k WVM receives a month could probably help a solo developer keep going, buying assets, working full time on their passion, realizing their dreams, and keep the lights on for possibly a whole year. Even spread across a swathe of different projects and developers, that kind of money would go a long way.

I do not know what kind of overheads WVM and the developer has. But I find it hard to conceive them NEEDING $7-18k a month to survive.

Of course, I say none of this expecting anyone who supports WVM to change their attitudes or support. To be fair, I don't even want to discourage anyone from supporting the game. I know it has meant a lot to a lot of people, myself included. I still pop by now and then in the hope that something has moved. Still, to actually see the figures WVM is making a month compared to their yearly output, and contrasting this to the developer updates I have to read now and then where a struggling creative has to tell their community they are pausing their project because they need to focus on their day job and simple survival... it's disheartening to think about.

This is all an excercise in futility making these grand thoughts or arguments. I know it won't change anything. Still, it was on my mind as I made my yearly pilgrimage to check on progress here, and I felt I needed to pen it down for my own sake if nothing else.
 
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Nadira

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Every now and then, I check in on WVM to see if the needle has moved. It is pretty incredible to me how loyal the fans are in keeping WVM's finances as high as they are. I first came across WVM maybe 2 to 3 years ago. In that time, I have released a novel series, written a successful Literotica series, and landed a writing role with an AVN studio. All this, while struggling with ADHD, anxiety, and depression.

My thoughts regarding the steadfastness of paid followers for WVM fluctuate often. On some level, I even admire that kind of dedication and hope that one day I can write something that commands that much ardent support and fervor from a community (not for the monetary sake, but more for the knowledge of knowing I've created something that means that much to so many).

However, since coming to work in the AVN space, I will admit I often feel a sense of envy for the situation the DEV has here. Even achieving what I would consider a moderate level of success in my creative ambitions and dreams, I do not think I have earned in a year what WVM makes in a month. Money is always tight, and completing scripts, updates, etc, is an actual necessity just to live month to month.

Through my dips in and out of the threads and updates (or lack thereof) of content for WVM, I often see calls for players to drop support as a means to incentivize the game's development. But, in recent times, I kind of wish the supporters of this game would send even a portion of their WVM sub to lesser known devs and creatives (NOT ME IN CASE IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M ANGLING FOR A HANDOUT).

Still, I see so many promising solo devs and games stuck in situations where they genuinely want to get their story out, to be able to quit a day job to devote more time to projects, or to invest in better hardware and assets so their game doesn't look like it was birthed on the PS1. There are so many creators out there with great promise and a genuine drive to deliver, but whose situations mean they simply don't have the monetary support to do so, especially in the economy we are enduring today. Great concept games are abandoned because newer developers simply have to choose their 'day job' work and paying the bills over making games, worlds, and characters they are passionate about and wish to share with the world.

It makes me wish that, for even a month, the community around WVM would just consider diverting some of that money they pour into WVM elsewhere, to other worthy projects and causes in the AVN sphere.

If Graphtreon is to be believed, WVM earns between $7-18k a month. Imagine what that would mean for a smaller developer starting out and needing just a little goodwill and public support to get over the initial hurdle of setting up their game and devoting the time needed to get it off the ground. That $11k WVM receives a month could probably help a solo developer keep going, buying assets, working full time on their passion, realizing their dreams, and keep the lights on for possibly a whole year. Even spread across a swathe of different projects and developers, that kind of money would go a long way.

I do not know what kind of overheads WVM and the developer has. But I find it hard to conceive them NEEDING $7-18k a month to survive.

Of course, I say none of this expecting anyone who supports WVM to change their attitudes or support. To be fair, I don't even want to discourage anyone from supporting the game. I know it has meant a lot to a lot of people and many, myself included. I still pop by now and then in the hope that something has moved. Still, to actually see the figures WVM is making a month compared to their yearly output, and contrasting this to the developer updates I have to read now and then where a struggling creative has to tell their community they are pausing their project because they need to focus on their day job and simple survival... it's disheartening to think about.

This is all an excercise in futility making these grand thoughts or arguments. I know it won't change anything. Still, it was on my mind as I made my yearly pilgrimage to check on progress here, and I felt I needed to pen it down for my own sake if nothing else.
Congratulations on discovering what a cult is... :KEK:
 

Blue Pasture

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Every now and then, I check in on WVM to see if the needle has moved. It is pretty incredible to me how loyal the fans are in keeping WVM's finances as high as they are. I first came across WVM maybe 2 to 3 years ago. In that time, I have released a novel series, written a successful Literotica series, and landed a writing role with an AVN studio. All this, while struggling with ADHD, anxiety, and depression.

My thoughts regarding the steadfastness of paid followers for WVM fluctuate often. On some level, I even admire that kind of dedication and hope that one day I can write something that commands that much ardent support and fervor from a community (not for the monetary sake, but more for the knowledge of knowing I've created something that means that much to so many).

However, since coming to work in the AVN space, I will admit I often feel a sense of envy for the situation the DEV has here. Even achieving what I would consider a moderate level of success in my creative ambitions and dreams, I do not think I have earned in a year what WVM makes in a month. Money is always tight, and completing scripts, updates, etc, is an actual necessity just to live month to month.

Through my dips in and out of the threads and updates (or lack thereof) of content for WVM, I often see calls for players to drop support as a means to incentivize the game's development. But, in recent times, I kind of wish the supporters of this game would send even a portion of their WVM sub to lesser known devs and creatives (NOT ME IN CASE IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M ANGLING FOR A HANDOUT).

Still, I see so many promising solo devs and games stuck in situations where they genuinely want to get their story out, to be able to quit a day job to devote more time to projects, or to invest in better hardware and assets so their game doesn't look like it was birthed on the PS1. There are so many creators out there with great promise and a genuine drive to deliver, but whose situations mean they simply don't have the monetary support to do so, especially in the economy we are enduring today. Great concept games are abandoned because newer developers simply have to choose their 'day job' work and paying the bills over making games, worlds, and characters they are passionate about and wish to share with the world.

It makes me wish that, for even a month, the community around WVM would just consider diverting some of that money they pour into WVM elsewhere, to other worthy projects and causes in the AVN sphere.

If Graphtreon is to be believed, WVM earns between $7-18k a month. Imagine what that would mean for a smaller developer starting out and needing just a little goodwill and public support to get over the initial hurdle of setting up their game and devoting the time needed to get it off the ground. That $11k WVM receives a month could probably help a solo developer keep going, buying assets, working full time on their passion, realizing their dreams, and keep the lights on for possibly a whole year. Even spread across a swathe of different projects and developers, that kind of money would go a long way.

I do not know what kind of overheads WVM and the developer has. But I find it hard to conceive them NEEDING $7-18k a month to survive.

Of course, I say none of this expecting anyone who supports WVM to change their attitudes or support. To be fair, I don't even want to discourage anyone from supporting the game. I know it has meant a lot to a lot of people, myself included. I still pop by now and then in the hope that something has moved. Still, to actually see the figures WVM is making a month compared to their yearly output, and contrasting this to the developer updates I have to read now and then where a struggling creative has to tell their community they are pausing their project because they need to focus on their day job and simple survival... it's disheartening to think about.

This is all an excercise in futility making these grand thoughts or arguments. I know it won't change anything. Still, it was on my mind as I made my yearly pilgrimage to check on progress here, and I felt I needed to pen it down for my own sake if nothing else.
I've never supported BD financially, and honestly would like to know what kind of funny math Graphtreon does to come up with it's figures. Their $7-18k would assume the average patron is between the second and third tier of support ($5-10 a month). Maybe it's just me, because I support a few devs, but I'm a cheap bastard supporting most of them at their lowest option. Is their really an army of cultists supporting BD at the $20-40/month level to offset all the bums on the $1 tier. 2,600 paid patrons is 2,600 too many for the lack of content, but the Graphtreon math aint mathing either unless I am the outlier and everyone else on this site has Scrooge McDuck levels of gold coins in the basement they don't know what to do with.

I like your suggestion, and wish others would send some of those funds to smaller devs. I just checked, and I support one dev that has all of 33 paid patrons at the moment.
 

KATOLINE

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The impression I get is that he likes the project but doesn't do much work, either because he's lazy, a total mess at organizing, or he's busy doing something else.

Instead of making excuses, he should be upfront , make it clear that it'll just be slow and that people shouldn't expect major progress.
I have spent some time thinking about him and this situation. (Arguably far more time that I should of) and I am beginning to believe that his perfectionist bs all stems from some form of delusion where he has mentally placed himself in the game and is living vicariously through his characters. I've always assumed he was probably a massive loser in life, probably doesn't have much luck with females. (I say that because I vaguely remember him trying way to hard to convince his patreons that he had a super hot wife). It was pathetic. So I am not sure if laziness is the problem. I wouldn't be surprised if the delays are all because he really wants the game to match his sad little fantasies so he can further fuel his delusion.
 

Wolfeszorn

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I have spent some time thinking about him and this situation. (Arguably far more time that I should of) and I am beginning to believe that his perfectionist bs all stems from some form of delusion where he has mentally placed himself in the game and is living vicariously through his characters. I've always assumed he was probably a massive loser in life, probably doesn't have much luck with females. (I say that because I vaguely remember him trying way to hard to convince his patreons that he had a super hot wife). It was pathetic. So I am not sure if laziness is the problem. I wouldn't be surprised if the delays are all because he really wants the game to match his sad little fantasies so he can further fuel his delusion.
That would support my theory that he made the MC look like himself and thats the whole reason why he´s using a black bar as MC´s head :ROFLMAO:

Not argue about a potential family. As far as i´m concerned, they are as made up as McKenzie and Dionyx :whistle::coffee:
 

Akabakka

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The impression I get is that he likes the project but doesn't do much work, either because he's lazy, a total mess at organizing, or he's busy doing something else.

Instead of making excuses, he should be upfront , make it clear that it'll just be slow and that people shouldn't expect major progress.
That's because you're still getting "scammed" by that impression. He is constantly outright lying for all sorts of irrelevant reasons. It's not just the story of someone having a slow process and output—but of someone that will do his best to get away with it at his convenience.
 

rjbb

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The impression I get is that he likes the project but doesn't do much work, either because he's lazy, a total mess at organizing, or he's busy doing something else.

Instead of making excuses, he should be upfront , make it clear that it'll just be slow and that people shouldn't expect major progress.
The only thing he likes about this project is making money without having to do anything. The only work he has is inventing lies a few times a month. Even those are repeated and annoying, but it's not his fault, it's the fault of whoever continues to pay him. As long as it doesn't drop to around 2000 patreons , he won't be forced to deliver anything.
 
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hasssin

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I think we are nearing the end of this milking. I've been here for years and there's always been plenty of complaining and a bit of defense. now, no one even takes the time to complain. defenders disappeared. Braindead has blown himself up.
 

rjbb

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I think we are nearing the end of this milking. I've been here for years and there's always been plenty of complaining and a bit of defense. now, no one even takes the time to complain. defenders disappeared. Braindead has blown himself up.
on the contrary, for 4 or 5 months he hasn't delivered anything other than silly excuses and the patreons don't go below 2600, the milking will last for many more years
 

Chrisdarock19

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on the contrary, for 4 or 5 months he hasn't delivered anything other than silly excuses and the patreons don't go below 2600, the milking will last for many more years
Say whaat?! He didn't release the ALREADY completed character sheets (was it A-H??), because reasons.. maybe the spacetime continuum will invert on itself if A-H is not released as one... someone contact Doc Brown or Ja Rule for comment.

Maybe some of the people in the sheets only appear in the NEW season 1 that HASN'T been released yet. So potential spoilers for new hug partners and girls to EVENTUALLY cry on MC shoulders, and this is why the delay to the delayed sheets and remake that was due, I think 2022?
 

king_cobra24

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i think its safe to say that we shouldnt expect anythin from this avn since its been quite awhile since we heard anythin so pretty much just smoke and mirrors
 

Blue Pasture

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Say whaat?! He didn't release the ALREADY completed character sheets (was it A-H??), because reasons.. maybe the spacetime continuum will invert on itself if A-H is not released as one... someone contact Doc Brown or Ja Rule for comment.

Maybe some of the people in the sheets only appear in the NEW season 1 that HASN'T been released yet. So potential spoilers for new hug partners and girls to EVENTUALLY cry on MC shoulders, and this is why the delay to the delayed sheets and remake that was due, I think 2022?
I fear newbies to the thread won't appreciate the depth of sarcasm in this post.
 

Irgendwie Irgendwo

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I have to admit, it was so long since I've last checked in that I actually thought he released an update. :D Did the version number in the header change or is it that I just can't remember it at all? :unsure:

Anyway, when I looked at those pics that came with the update two weeks ago, it seemed that he got rid of Janie's duck lips in S1, made her boobs a LOT bigger and somehow got Jenna from Where the Heart is into the game. And of course promised to release those A-H char sheets for the umpeenth time since apparently he is now "reworking them". (Yeah, right.)
 
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is there any chance that a new tag similar to onhold/abandoned can be created for devs that constantly make up excuses/milk their supporters? only two that come to mind is ICSTOR and BD, but i mean at this point surely they deserve that tag right? ....right??
i'm like 85% sarcastic lol cus i know how subjective those rules would be and a lot of jimmies would be rustled
 
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