VN Ren'Py Yesterday's Crossroads [Ch.3 v0.4.0a] [CHAQUINN0]

[jhonatanw]

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[c.mork]

Just finished playing this the first time. Enjoyed it a lot, great renders, writing, and LIs. Then I got here and was so pissed off.


Wait, what Kimmy route? We met once, she told me to call her and then nothing. So I restarted to see where I fucked it up...aaand please make it make sense

 

[Maviarab]

Just finished playing this the first time. Enjoyed it a lot, great renders, writing, and LIs. Then I got here and was so pissed off.
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Wait, what Kimmy route? We met once, she told me to call her and then nothing. So I restarted to see where I fucked it up...aaand please make it make sense
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What exactly is the problem? No one else has an issue with it. (other than most dislike the character lol).

 

[alive89]

'Kimmy' is how the dev classifies Kimberly in the code. There are a few variables named 'kimmy_route' or 'kimmy_affection' for example.
On Discord, the dev mentioned that in the next update, we will have the option to change Kim's name (the Korean ex-gf) to her first name. This change is to avoid further confusion between Kim and Kimberly.
There will be a second chance to enter Kimberly/Kimmy's route in case we missed it the first time. Similar to how he did with Julia when we didn't ask her out on a date the first time, then she comes and asks if we'd like to go to the park with her.
Personally I like how intricate the things happen in this game, feels like the replayability will go much deeper as the updates come.

 

[c.mork]

What exactly is the problem?

I think the images I posted are quite self explanatory.

Personally I like how intricate the things happen in this game, feels like the replayability will go much deeper as the updates come.

I don't have a problem with meaningful choices and consequences. But I want my choices to be educated and the consequences earned.
Not asking out Julia, and then either turning down her invitation or not kissing her in the park are very clear choices with very clear outcomes. Turning down character A locking me out of character B when I didn't even know of B's existance, let alone that we'd bump into her if I go with A is quite the opposite.
Am I just suppose to say yes to everything in fear of missing a whole ass character if I don't go with everyone? Then I'm not even "playing" the game, might as well be a kinetic novel.

 

[Maviarab]

I think the images I posted are quite self explanatory.

Well obviously not and like I said, you're the first to bring it up...sooo...

But I want my choices to be educated and the consequences earned.

Turning down character A locking me out of character B when I didn't even know of B's existance, let alone that we'd bump into her if I go with A is quite the opposite.

Ohhh...if only real life was like that huh....

Shame eh?

 

[c.mork]

Well obviously not and like I said, you're the first to bring it up...sooo...

So what? But okay, I explain it for the less gifted:
Every route choice is clear as day, except Kimberly who is hidden behind going to the gym with Zeke.

Ohhh...if only real life was like that huh....

Shame eh?

This...isn't real life. You can't be serious

 

[Maviarab]

 

[alive89]

That's my point when I talk about the replayability, the dev himself said that no playthrough will be the same as the other and he takes games like Detroit Become Human as inspiration.
I'm quite new to the AVN world, but the ones I played are exactly like you say, very straight-forward and everything is way too obvious and simplified, that's not the case on this one. Thinking outside the box and writing a good story is not the norm in this genre.

 

[c.mork]

I'm quite new to the AVN world, but the ones I played are exactly like you say, very straight-forward and everything is way too obvious and simplified, that's not the case on this one.

But it actually is that straight-forward 99% of the time. Asking out Julia, kissing Michelle, accepting Olivia's invitation, showing the city to Candace, letting Kim explain why she left. These are all as clear as they can get, that's why the Kimberly situtation stuck out for me so much and frustrated me.

 

[satirious]

But it actually is that straight-forward 99% of the time. Asking out Julia, kissing Michelle, accepting Olivia's invitation, showing the city to Candace, letting Kim explain why she left. These are all as clear as they can get, that's why the Kimberly situtation stuck out for me so much and frustrated me.

You aren't the only one that noticed it and/or thought that it was less than well thought out.

It's also possible that it is an indication that the plan is to ensure there are things that can blow up in your face at a later date. The soap opera VN is very much in vogue these days.

 

[ThorinKing]

So what? But okay, I explain it for the less gifted:
Every route choice is clear as day, except Kimberly who is hidden behind going to the gym with Zeke.

I take it you've never played any other VNs, because this kind of thing happens everywhere. How do you meet someone you've never met before IRL, and never even knows exists or expect to meet? You go somewhere other than where you are. Works the same way in VNs that aren't kinetics.

 

[c.mork]

I take it you've never played any other VNs, because this kind of thing happens everywhere. How do you meet someone you've never met before IRL, and never even knows exists or expect to meet? You go somewhere other than where you are. Works the same way in VNs that aren't kinetics.

Please go ahead and list every AVN where they hide a MAIN LI behind literally the first choice of the game that has nothing to do with said character.

And deleting the part where I literally said this isn't real life so you can lecture me be about that again is certainly an approach.

 

[Dessolos]

I personally don't see the big deal in missing a interaction with Side or Main LI because you as the player picked a different choice and had no idea it would lead to one. It's not like you won't see them later in the game. It's a different story if it locks you out of their path completely without knowing the even exist.

Edit this is why I will sometimes quick save and check both choices out unless I know what I want to go with for sure.

 

[ThorinKing]

Please go ahead and list every AVN where they hide a MAIN LI behind literally the first choice of the game that has nothing to do with said character.

And deleting the part where I literally said this isn't real life so you can lecture me be about that again is certainly an approach.

Maybe you should stick to kinetics since dealing with decisions is too much for you.

 

[c.mork]

I personally don't see the big deal in missing a interaction with Side or Main LI because you as the player picked a different choice and had no idea it would lead to one. It's not like you won't see them later in the game. It's a different story if it locks you out of their path completely without knowing the even exist.

I just hate blind choices. It's just like rolling dice at that point. Or am I suppose to just say yes to everything in fear of missing content that I didn't know was behind that choice? Then that's not playing, that's obediently clicking "yes" until end of update screen shows up.

But you are right, it's not a big deal. If it was, I would've just deleted the game and moved on like I did with many VNs I didn't like. It was just a sore spot in an otherwise great AVN, made worse by the stark difference between Kimberly's and literally every other LI's route. Anyhow, on last page alive89 said there's gonna be a 2nd opportunity to start something with Kimberly, so while it's still annoying to me at least it's not unreasonable.

Maybe you should stick to kinetics since dealing with decisions is too much for you.

I accept your concession that there are no such AVNs. Thank you.

 

[motseer]

Maybe you should stick to kinetics since dealing with decisions is too much for you.

Well, if only you were a bit more gifted, King. Then you could see it the mork way. Jus' Sayin'

 

[Maviarab]

But okay, I explain it for the less gifted:

So gifted you need everything spoon fed to you. Like Thorin said (who i very rarely ever agree with), perhaps your gifted ass should stick to KN's.

As for real life, I suppose you never watch and realistic films then...or read books, documentaries...cos you know...you want escapism fantasy where everything goes your way? Many love this VN because it isn't like that....and yes, real life...get the bus instead of a cab, skip work for the beach, order a pizza instead of going to the club....any number of random decisions could lead you somewhere interesting...

That's the actual strength of this VN. As for how you get to other LI's...how does that even matter? The systems are not mutually exclusive, nor do they need to be, something I'd expected someone gifted to comprehand...

 

[ThorinKing]

I accept your concession that there are no such AVNs. Thank you.

Bless your heart! I'm not going back into every VN I've ever played to find you examples, but if that is truly the first decision of the VN, then THAT IS YOUR HINT that you might miss something by just hanging around and not going into the "world".
/smdh/

 

[ThorinKing]

Well, if only you were a bit more gifted, King. Then you could see it the mork way. Jus' Sayin'

I'm not from Ork, so I doubt I'll ever see his alien point of view.