VN Ren'Py Young Again [S2 Ch. 7 Public] [Zargon_games]

[PhineasFlynn]

That's totally fine, there's also room for improvement in any game, just from a developer's standpoint freedom is the key to enjoyment, I thought a bit more freedom would make this game even better than what it is, for some it's perfectly fine as it is, for me it was disappointing. I think the dev, if he ever plans to make another project can do even better.

He is a co-worker on another project for long time.

But I just can't agree with you. If all games were equally free, they would all be the same in the end.
Here, the basic premise is that a guy in an outer body is trying to have a relationship with the sister of this body. The side story is that the father's soul in another body sleeps with his daughter. Just like incest through a condom. It's an incest game, so it probably won't be primarily aimed at foreign girls.

 

[J.R.]

That's totally fine, there's also room for improvement in any game, just from a developer's standpoint freedom is the key to enjoyment, I thought a bit more freedom would make this game even better than what it is, for some it's perfectly fine as it is, for me it was disappointing. I think the dev, if he ever plans to make another project can do even better.

A problem with giving to much "freedom" in a game is the huge increase of developement time and content as the game moves on. Every branching kind of multiplies the needed dialogues and renders. And quite often the same who demanded such game choices started to complain afterwards for the tiny game updates on their specific routes.

 

[PhineasFlynn]

Freedom is the same for every game, but the story is different, so I have to disagree that every game would be the same, the story is what the dev wishes it to be, but the player should be free within the context of the story. I like the idea of "optional" elements in regards to these type of games so that things aren't forced. Again, I just think this game has more potential regarding the context of it's story.

But in this case the dev wants the story to be about MC sleeping with his family. Especially with his sister. So it practically fulfills your idea, it just differs in how the sister should look.

 

[J.R.]

Variety is not freedom. My idea was freedom within the context of the story, and the context of this specific story ventures outside the scope of the family, therefore should 1.either not be forced incest or 2. be optional non incest. Majority of the interactable characters are not family members but the game is a family game. The problem for me in this game is that none of my decisions matter because the MC loves someone over the other, just because that someone is a main character, not because I so developed their relationship, why am I given freedom of choice in that case if the result is the same. It makes this look like a kinetic novel in disguse of a visual novel. And regarding looks it only would make the game more appealing to certain people and less appealing to others, it does not solve the problem of the game which is 90% of the choices don't matter.

Well, let's sum it up: you want a completely different game.

Seems you don't even want the incest (which is actually the main part of the story), you don't want the three main LIs (you want a side chick to be the main focus). And you don't like the game choices (they do have quite some meaning in the gameplay, it's only not to your liking. Your "kinetic" and "90% doesn't matter" is nonsense). And the "adding freedom" would be actually a complete game rewrite and adding multiple game routes. Sorry to tell you, but I'm pretty sure that will not happen.

It's imo time for you to look for a game you like, not force an existing one to get changed to it. Good luck.

 

[Dessolos]

tbh im usually not a fan of forced LI but in the context of this game I think it works because of how much effort the dev puts into the relationship with the sister. One of the better incest games ive played because of that

 

[jI11jaCksjAkk]

I really don't like that in games, canon is what you want it to be is what separates games from movies and other forms of storytelling. I like games like Shale Hill Secrets that gave me the chance to choose my partner regardless of the story, I can respect that approach.

OK, you came to the thread and posted how disappointed you are that the game and story don't cater to your specific desires (you must've missed the call when the dev tried to reach you for your input on their story). So if you don't like it then just go away and find another game. JFC there are only a million of them. Do you feel a compulsion to post in the 999,573 game threads where devs are making games of different styles than the one you like? WTAF? So you liked a preview of a side character. The game should be changed because of that????

 

[PhineasFlynn]

None of that, I'm actually only trying to point out some of the flaws in the game that would make games like these better. Reason being that this is not nearly the first time I've encountered this issue in these games, even some games I do really like have similar issues, like Timestamps for example. But just to respond to what you observed.

1. It really doesn't matter what I like but incest is one of my favorite tags, that does not mean it's the main part of the story, part of what makes good AVNs is the ability to separate the story from the romance, the story is the path MC walks, the romance is who he walks that path with, and should not be forced, those are two separate things. The romantic freedom in this game is very limited and genrally forced in my opinion, and by romantic I do not necessarily mean sexual. You're free to disagree.

2. I don't have a problem with the main LIs, Ruby's my 2nd favorite character, but I generally don't like the idea of a main and side girl, which again restricts the freedom of the player. That does not mean to make equal amount of content for dozen different characters, just a freedom of choice to walk your path with who you will even if that means less content.

3. Game choices in this game weren't good in the two playthroughs I played, from the story standpoint I can't tell if you can fail the game, but it didn't matter what choices I made with Emma I ended up succeeding my mission either way, and romantically I played Ruby's route twice with completely different choices to the exact same result, with literally no differences aside from maybe one mini dialogue that had no impact on the conversation even. I know it's only one route, but within that route no choices mattered, all you have to do is pick the route.

To finish off, I'm not trying to force anything, just observing some problems that can make games like these better, it's because I saw potential in the game that I wanted to post in the first place. You are free to like what you will. At this point I will see myself out for I have nothing more to add.

Man, I'm starting to feel like most of the games on this site aren't for you. If you are only concerned with the possibility of choice, focus on Free Use games.
Otherwise, you're probably the first person I've seen point out something like this, so it doesn't look like the problem is on the side of the game(s), but somewhere a little different.

Or order a bride online and don't bother looking for a needle in a haystack.

 

[duckydoodoo]

don't bother looking for a needle in a haystack.

but my gran'mama gave me that needle, its a family heirloom!

 

[Dessolos]

since this thread is popping off today. Has there been any talk how far away the next update is no rush or anything just curious. I kind of want to replay this either in the next update or the 1 after

 

[PhineasFlynn]

but my gran'mama gave me that needle, its a family heirloom!

I don't think that's the "needle" Manoftheworld is looking for.

 

[Anteron]

2. I don't have a problem with the main LIs, Ruby's my 2nd favorite character, but I generally don't like the idea of a main and side girl, which again restricts the freedom of the player. That does not mean to make equal amount of content for dozen different characters, just a freedom of choice to walk your path with who you will even if that means less content.

I don't see that. I see her and the daughter in his former life (forget her name for now) as equal and it seems they do too.

 

[sagerock820]

I play AVNs because they have sex in them, granted they also need to have a good story and graphics. If there was no sex, I wouldn't be playing them.

On another note - I love Ruby.

 

[Dessolos]

I play AVNs because they have sex in them, granted they also need to have a good story and graphics. If there was no sex, I wouldn't be playing them.

On another note - I love Ruby.

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funny that is how I started off but now I changed to putting sex as the least important thing for me and I just enjoy the realtionship part and characters the most. Only a few AVN's I play for the sex now days not to many

 

[PhineasFlynn]

funny that is how I started off but now I changed to putting sex as the least important thing for me and I just enjoy the realtionship part and characters the most. Only a few AVN's I play for the sex now days not to many

Yeah, yeah, like other 8,263,910 members on this site

 

[MAGO-DAG]

I play AVNs because they have sex in them, granted they also need to have a good story and graphics. If there was no sex, I wouldn't be playing them.

On another note - I love Ruby.

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Initially when I first started playing Avn's, I started purely because of the sex scene, now I like both the sex and the story.
But as you said, without sex there is no story, and without a quality plot and story there is no good sex.

I like it when everything is done clearly and qualitatively and with excitement! Sex should start with a good story with a perfect balance for the plot

 

[duclamle]

Does this game have pregnancies yet? (it means that main protagonist really impregnate other characters, they will have pregnant belly)

 

[PhineasFlynn]

Does this game have pregnancies yet? (it means that main protagonist really impregnate other characters, they will have pregnant belly)

There is one prego side girl. But not sure if its MC. It could be, but it doesn't have to be

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Does this game have pregnancies yet? (it means that main protagonist really impregnate other characters, they will have pregnant belly)

There is a pregnancy and as far as I remember the woman is a police officer.

There is one prego side girl. But not sure if its MC. It could be, but it doesn't have to be

In my playthrough she is pregnant by MC

 

[PhineasFlynn]

There is a pregnancy and as far as I remember the woman is a police officer.


In my playthrough she is pregnant by MC

Yeah, in my too. But she is pregnet even if you pull out. So...

 

[txe320]

Yeah, in my too. But she is pregnet even if you pull out. So...

MC got super-sperm, that's why.

Oh, sorry, wrong game.