Fairlight0306
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That's because you don't know the latest research of the university of California about rape victims and whatever...it's quite a common reaction, i dare to say the norm
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If you are looking to sleep with your spouse - even if you never even tried, escalated or edged her into anything - after her getting raped - you are some special kind of boyfriends. Picture this: you let her go alone, nothing like taking her home, your home or her home, not spending the night together or anything on your mind, but you made sure to tell her to accomodate Daniel, the same night, you never accompanied her home (you went to visit her home after the rape, what a dumb idiot!) - Caleb tells us all of this in no uncertain terms, while telling her to give Daniel a chance - he let her get ”Danieled” - he pushed her and Daniel into eachother - the whole deed is on Caleb - he does not get to gloat, he never saved anybody - revenge is not salvation and MC is seeing this all too well - justice brings nothing but misery - never closure, never makes you feel better - because you cannot erase the past - For Marie, the ceremony erased that past, for Caleb it did not. It exacerbated it. But they both performed it looking to mend their aching hearts. They are doing some rushed spitballing new stuff, they are not under any supervision, so the screwups they get are based on their inexperience and their lack of understanding. Remember MC is aware that any Goddess you pact with can take your body - posession - it is all he knows, yet Lilith never did it - she saved him and only watched over him - there are lots of things Caleb and Marie do not know today, yet they continue on their paths and their collaboration, pursuit, intrigue is keeping both Marie and Caleb in the game space. They could walk away any time - MC could simply live a life walking away in that early ending.
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"Give Daniel a chance" in no conceivable way makes any sane person think that it was a free pass to get assaulted. Not fighting and forgiving the culprit during the crime make Zero sense. Completely idiotic writing.
Fairlight0306
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All good but you ignore 1) the fact you invented the sex thing with a boyfriend after the rape no one said this and no one wanted thet from the game, hell for what we knows she didn't let him smell her pussy from afar 2) as already mentioned it's difficult to accompany someone home if she don't want and reject you.You know what, if Caleb raped her that night instead of Daniel they probably will be still together, it's an hyperbole?...maybe
Stranger things have happened.
The whole premise is that Marie was an exceptional woman, who can be understanding even to a rapist. You may think this is messed up and/or unrealistic, but there is anecdotal evidence that somethimes this is the case in real life. The same goes for 'don't touch me'.
For Caleb, she's become a broken ware. He isn't very smart.
The aesop here is that revenge doesn't work and hardly saves anyone, if done out of resentment. This theme is highlighted time and again throughout the game. You may dislike the reasoning behind it, but it's a very coherent in-game position.
Probably there is going to be something similar about Keira's vendetta, but we'll see.
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Ikalkeki
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Maybe it's just that Marie is dumb, and Caleb is also dumb. Daniel was the dumbest. They all made dumb decisions because they were stupid. Sure, we are told that Marie and Caleb are smart cookies, but this doesn't mean they were wise (Caleb and his "Game Theory" bullshit didn't help him one bit) . Smart=/=Wise. You can be a genius and still make stupid calls.
The game is full of people who make bad choices to resolve their problems. Keira is another clear example. Lilith is perhaps the one who is the wisest, because she got thousands of years to reflect on her BIG mistake. If we give our dumb characters thousands of years they will become less stupid, but they are 20ish something "adults" with magic powers. I don't expect much from them.
The game is full of people who make bad choices to resolve their problems. Keira is another clear example. Lilith is perhaps the one who is the wisest, because she got thousands of years to reflect on her BIG mistake. If we give our dumb characters thousands of years they will become less stupid, but they are 20ish something "adults" with magic powers. I don't expect much from them.
More than that, it's often framed as different reactions to being violated by an external agent.
Rape, 'divine' call, cultish brainwashing, vampiric mind control with further physical and moral humiliation, having a tenant in your own body, having to choose the lesser evil in a sadistic game with insufficient information (ain't it always the case?), being promised to an eldritch entity, etc.
Conversely, the number of healthy and unhealthy copes: emotional detachment, alcoholism, murderous hyperfixation, emotional manipulation, meaningless cruelty such as torturing the weak ones when you can do nothing to the strong ones, trying to erase the undesirable part of you, etc.
Basically, it's all about accepting and humane communication, but with vampires, because Albert Ellis is too secular.
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I don't know, I can't replicate the issue. Try restarting the segment?
If it doesn't work just open the console and input
e2_d5_exploration_1_scenes_seen = 4
then move to another screen.
Impurity2937
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I've just finished the game (v0.2.4d) and wanna share some thoughts as usual.
Despite the game being so good on so many levels, I see you guys are having "fun" here with some drama, so I will try to keep it short. AWESOME game. I've played many AVNs in last few years and at this point I think I've checked all the best titles here - it's great to be surprised by discovering a new gem like this one here.
Very good writing, awesome pacing and storytelling, GREAT branching and character emotion work...
Actually, a couple more words about branching... I play all my games with URM just to see alternatives or code/stats "behind the scenes" and it was actually the first (or one of the very few) games I played without constantly checking it and trying to make "perfect" playthrough. Branching in this game? This is how it should look like in my opinion, little decissions affect storyline just a little but the further you go the more impact you see.
I knew leaving college was not "canon" but I still chose it on my first playthrough. I expected a few words from MC, 2 additional renders and that's it. Instead I was like... WOW. And it had another branch to just leave or call Chloe. I called Chloe and oh my god, ending was so good, didn't expect such developed alternate ending at all. The first thing I thought of was how Rebirth ended when I played it some time ago, the contrast between Rebirth's main (and only) ending after 5 chapters and just an alternate ending here is enormous, sad even.
I've got only one objection although not sure it's a real objection after all, it's just against of what I'm used to in AVNs... It is the first AVN I deliberately avoided sex with girls. I've checked them all out of curiosity and they are quite ok (short but it's again story-wise justified) but not their quality is why I ommited them. I felt like showing emotions and pacing of the story was SO GOOD here that it felt natural and "canon" that MC would not like to have sex with any of them. Occasional blowjob is fine but sex... I didn't feel like MC should feel strong connection with any of main LIs so quickly (I didn't), especially with how they were behaving so Rayne and Keira were out of my radar stright away. Next, it hit me hard after sex with Odette, I felt used and MC was like "I kinda expected it to be more meaningful". Same thing with Swansong, it just didn't felt "right" to loose virginity like that while it was clearly somewhat important for him and dev perfectly described MC's doubts after both encounters.
I wish I was as good in writing as dev is, this review sounded better in my head and I wanted to say much much more but yeah, it's already quite long and chaotic.
Lastly, +1 for dev for naming Swansong Swansong. May sound like nothing but it's a "cherry on the pie" of dev's creativity and writing skill. Combining Jeanette Voerman from original VTM with the name of another VTM game is just nice easter egg which fitted perfectly.
TLDR: One of the best games here, easily somewhere in top 15 and I fully recommend it to anyone who likes a good story.
ps. also, hands down, the music in this game is top-notch — perfectly fitted, often so subtle you forget it's even there, yet it shapes the scene's mood, and that's exactly how a soundtrack should be like
Despite the game being so good on so many levels, I see you guys are having "fun" here with some drama, so I will try to keep it short. AWESOME game. I've played many AVNs in last few years and at this point I think I've checked all the best titles here - it's great to be surprised by discovering a new gem like this one here.
Very good writing, awesome pacing and storytelling, GREAT branching and character emotion work...
Actually, a couple more words about branching... I play all my games with URM just to see alternatives or code/stats "behind the scenes" and it was actually the first (or one of the very few) games I played without constantly checking it and trying to make "perfect" playthrough. Branching in this game? This is how it should look like in my opinion, little decissions affect storyline just a little but the further you go the more impact you see.
I knew leaving college was not "canon" but I still chose it on my first playthrough. I expected a few words from MC, 2 additional renders and that's it. Instead I was like... WOW. And it had another branch to just leave or call Chloe. I called Chloe and oh my god, ending was so good, didn't expect such developed alternate ending at all. The first thing I thought of was how Rebirth ended when I played it some time ago, the contrast between Rebirth's main (and only) ending after 5 chapters and just an alternate ending here is enormous, sad even.
I've got only one objection although not sure it's a real objection after all, it's just against of what I'm used to in AVNs... It is the first AVN I deliberately avoided sex with girls. I've checked them all out of curiosity and they are quite ok (short but it's again story-wise justified) but not their quality is why I ommited them. I felt like showing emotions and pacing of the story was SO GOOD here that it felt natural and "canon" that MC would not like to have sex with any of them. Occasional blowjob is fine but sex... I didn't feel like MC should feel strong connection with any of main LIs so quickly (I didn't), especially with how they were behaving so Rayne and Keira were out of my radar stright away. Next, it hit me hard after sex with Odette, I felt used and MC was like "I kinda expected it to be more meaningful". Same thing with Swansong, it just didn't felt "right" to loose virginity like that while it was clearly somewhat important for him and dev perfectly described MC's doubts after both encounters.
I wish I was as good in writing as dev is, this review sounded better in my head and I wanted to say much much more but yeah, it's already quite long and chaotic.
Lastly, +1 for dev for naming Swansong Swansong. May sound like nothing but it's a "cherry on the pie" of dev's creativity and writing skill. Combining Jeanette Voerman from original VTM with the name of another VTM game is just nice easter egg which fitted perfectly.
TLDR: One of the best games here, easily somewhere in top 15 and I fully recommend it to anyone who likes a good story.
ps. also, hands down, the music in this game is top-notch — perfectly fitted, often so subtle you forget it's even there, yet it shapes the scene's mood, and that's exactly how a soundtrack should be like
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He is not missing any content. I've had the same issue. It just looks like it, because you never see that table again once you finish the last memory. He probably always completes the memories in the same order. That's why he never notices.
I really liked the use of Portrayal's
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. That's the best possible Rik Schaffer, trip-hopy and seductive. I actually heard it before in one or two games, but here it stood out.As a side note, Portrayal may be my favourite 'free-to-use-band' out there (
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I heard in 'Hellcat's Lounge', and it's great).
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^ This
Always did it in the same order and wondered for the longest time where #3 was until I accidentally did #3 before #4 once.
Maybe showing the table again when it's completed, or some kind of cue that you got all would be nice here.
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Here we are: full circle. Very valid interpretations to game events. What went wrong is in the who they are:
Marie chose Caleb, but he never escalated. MC studied and got into magic to come closer to her.
MC tried being the friendzoned eunuch to the girl he was dreamig of his whole life, look where it got him.
Statistically, many friendzoned simps just like MC are miserably single and hapless while the girls of their dreams end up in sex with their bullies, because any wholesome relationship is a failed relationship in the adult game world or novels or cinema or television - it is the whole point of it - Marie went for MC and MC sent her Daniel instead, which only got him literally nothing but heartache, suicide and paralizing psichological damage - MC tels us he regrets not escalating, never taking charge, immensely, as part of his redemption arc. Now, there is nothing holding MC back - he tried the slow burn and got nowhere and in a high risk environment where his supposed allies try to kill him at every turn - there is no time to drag along or look for a more romantic setting - there are literal soul draining and blood draining demons all over the place - where do you find any romantic corner?
Marie chose Caleb, but he never escalated. MC studied and got into magic to come closer to her.
MC tried being the friendzoned eunuch to the girl he was dreamig of his whole life, look where it got him.
Statistically, many friendzoned simps just like MC are miserably single and hapless while the girls of their dreams end up in sex with their bullies, because any wholesome relationship is a failed relationship in the adult game world or novels or cinema or television - it is the whole point of it - Marie went for MC and MC sent her Daniel instead, which only got him literally nothing but heartache, suicide and paralizing psichological damage - MC tels us he regrets not escalating, never taking charge, immensely, as part of his redemption arc. Now, there is nothing holding MC back - he tried the slow burn and got nowhere and in a high risk environment where his supposed allies try to kill him at every turn - there is no time to drag along or look for a more romantic setting - there are literal soul draining and blood draining demons all over the place - where do you find any romantic corner?
Chloe is the fantastic redeeming spice in this game: she is the life away from the same bleeding-hearted conundrum that is plaguing the life of Caleb both in his past and in his future—such a wonderful breath of the freshest air she is for us all in this present.
guys, I don't get what the fuck is going on in this update? can someone ELI5 it for me? I'm so lost
Impurity2937
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What you wrote is only one side of the coin and possible interpretation, I see that differently.
Sure, Caleb was not chad-type of man to push it more decisively while being with Marie (or before that) but that's perfectly fine. And by perfectly fine I mean it is very real like and allows you as a player to identify with MC more. Weren't we all at some point of our life in situation like that? Thinking about love and sex in more "spiritual" way than it actually was? Well, I was there and I know numerous people that were there too. You can call him "friendzoned eunuch" but actually he is more like a casual real-life normal guy than what we usually see in AVNs - confident, cocky even yet very intelligent/phylosophical guy with big cock. I'm not saying it's good or bad, just different approach, it was nice change and personally I liked it more.
Next thing we got is a mystery of MC's past and what actually happened between him and Marie. He clearly takes all the blame on himself — probably exaggerating — and keeps replaying Marie’s words about him being “a monster”. That’s a clear indication he’s depressed, or at least on the verge of it. Going to HQ with a casual thought of not returning alive is another sign of low self-esteem — and arguably, of a fading will to live. He clearly didn't get his closure and the whole situation even after these couple years, still haunts him. Again, I've been there and I find it perfectly normal that MC in his current state and all those things happening, wanting to have sex is a last thing on his "to do" list. Especially if those girls are crazy vampires (one dhampir actually), nympho succubus or chick with violence/aggression issues and with Marie/Victoria around on top of that.
Sure, you as a player can choose how you want to deal with it. You can decide that "enough is enough" and MC decided to draw a line under the past and move on - it gives you more flexibility during gameplay and allows you to basically shape new story or... You can keep his role and decide that if the MC hasn’t dealt with it over the past few years, he surely wouldn’t just overcome it out of the blue just because "the player took control". Second approach was my way to go although Chloe ending was perfect compromise between these two.
As for your final question - "where do you find any romantic corner?" - my answer is "nowhere", that's why not having sex or any deeper connection was the most justifable path to me. All story so far is just 5 days, with all those things happening there is no place for starting new emotional connection.
and if Caleb knew that forgetting his memories is pointless, why did he do it, man I feel like its either I'm stupid or there is something wrong with the writing
Stockholm Syndrome is something that the victim develops on prolonged exposure to her captor/assailant. It is not something that develops THAT quickly.
Again, the creator lacks any understanding about sexual assault victims if they think that being calm and forgiving DURING the act (but having the appropriate response afterwards) makes ANY sense. Utter shite.