VN Ren'Py Zero End [v0.2.5c] [Stolen Rose]

[RewindWorld]

I'm going to enjoy catching up with this later tonight. All I remember was Swansong was a cutie..

That may be, but she's been kind of a punching bag recently. She needs a win soon because she's starting to look a bit pathetic.

 

[Fairlight0306]

Constantine called Lucifer of his own initiative and accepted his deal, while MC betrays human race and runs from the Emperor throne, basically refusing what Loki did in his series, refused to sacrifice himself for the greater good, but could decide to give his life for Alice, who just admits she lied to Marie and to him to make him get to her, while being unprepared and unknowing of her predicament to actually save her. Why would he refuse to help all of his actual friends for a manipulating untrustworthy new meet? - Marie is the one who accepts the burden of saving humankind; MC is the one refusing it all the time.

I absolutely agree that are two totally different characters but i didn't meant litterally, just for the general mood and for the situations the mc get involved into. Also i didn't see Marie as a good person and victim in the story,sorry i just can't, even more with the description of the night of the rape and what it follows.She didn't denounce Daniel and she want not to see the mc,it's clearly said she don't blame Daniel.So what exacly is the mc fault in this situation?Daniel is forgiven and the mc is the monster? yeah go fuck yourself Marie.And what about selling the mc to the Endless to save herself and don't take accountability for all the shit she has done?Doctor prescribed her to enter in a cult?

 

[AL.d]

I absolutely agree that are two totally different characters but i didn't meant litterally, just for the general mood and for the situations the mc get involved into. Also i didn't see Marie as a good person and victim in the story,sorry i just can't, even more with the description of the night of the rape and what it follows.She didn't denounce Daniel and she want not to see the mc,it's clearly said she don't blame Daniel.So what exacly is the mc fault in this situation?Daniel is forgiven and the mc is the monster? yeah go fuck yourself Marie.And what about selling the mc to the Endless to save herself and don't take accountability for all the shit she has done?Doctor prescribed her to enter in a cult?

This. The flashbacks in this update actually managed to sour me on her more than her present bitchy self.

At least her present self has undergone the soulfucking ritual or whatever, that killed her bond with MC. It explains her attitude. But her behavior back then was inexcusable. Blaming the one dude who kept warning you that something is wrong with Daniel and needs addressing, instead of the actual rapist.

My only reason to keep her around when that choice was given, is to reject her sorry ass properly with the soulcrafting wounds healed, so she can actually feel it. Hopefully dev will make that possible.

 

[Melody Is Dead]

So how do get memory 3 ? Couldnt find it anywhere..

I couldn't find that one either. Someone made an updated walkthrough mod I think. Maybe that one helps.

 

[RandomGuy99]

For those who said MC is weak, try play the path where he decided to be the monster. Watch the stats before and after

 

[BurgRoyce]

Marie's reaction to the rape got me so furious... Instead of blaming the rapist she starts passive-aggressively half-blaming Caleb. Exactly why?
It has killed any interest I had in saving her.

Also, poor sweet Alice

 

[RewindWorld]

Marie's reaction to the rape got me so furious... Instead of blaming the rapist she starts passive-aggressively half-blaming Caleb. Exactly why?
It has killed any interest I had in saving her.

Also, poor sweet Alice

I'm not sure she was blaming MC. She suffered psychological trauma and needed time to recover. At the time she was not a vengeful character by nature, so MC persuading person who attacked her to commit suicide didn't help her, but rather added to her misery.

 

[Mellt]

Maybe Alice will continue on through Hestia somehow. Even in her "good" ending she kind of looked more like Hestia than Alice so maybe we didn't see her true ending yet.

Marie doesn't need redemption if she's telling the truth about also trying to save everyone in her own way. MC and Marie are both flawed. I can kind of see an ending where they together ride into the sunset as a form of sacrifice to save everyone else.

To be honest all endings are bad endings......I like it when you can have a good and a bad ending but in this story there seems to be only sadness.....
The Selfsacrifice is the best ending you can get and that tells a lot.

 

[Jplays512]

The game is giving big bittersweet ending vibes. Maybe it will change in the next 5 years/ 2 chapters but man I am getting big MC will sacrifice himself to save everyone vibes and there won't be any true happy ending. This game is pretty much just everyone keeping secrets from the other and sacrifice themselves "for the greater good."

MC who can't trust anyone and always has to be on top of things who also has a hero/ self sacrifice complex. Just screams "I am going to sacrifice myself to stop the void" feeling.

Ex lover who you may have never got over. In over her head and just wants MC to trust her even tho she has not done anything to justify it. Also her plans are not even likely to work.

Moody hunter willing to turn into what she hates for power.

Oracle doing her best Dr. Strange impression

Sweet succubus who will finally merge her two parts only to see everyone else sacrifice themselves to "save the world"

Feels like we are stuck between bitter sweet sacrifice ending or weird deus ex machina where somehow the power of friendship will fix everything by the end or more likely someone else will sacrifice themself and everything will work out and only be semi bitter sweet. Guess we just have to have faith that the great god that is the writer can make do the ending justice! Then again they are definitely a better writer than me so I will trust them. The only way I can think of we are going to get a true good ending is a power of friendship thing where everyone finally works together, trust each other, and they truly stand together to fight off the eldritch horror of a final boss.

 

[BurgRoyce]

I'm not sure she was blaming MC. She suffered psychological trauma and needed time to recover. At the time she was not a vengeful character by nature, so MC persuading person who attacked her to commit suicide didn't help her, but rather added to her misery.

Caleb tried to reach her, Marie's mom didn't allow that, and on the occasions they spoke, it's clear that she's passive aggressive with the person that cares and loves her.

Caleb convincing Daniel to commit suicide didn't help, for sure. And it's understatable she calls him a monster after that.

But that doesn't justify at all her behaviour towards Caleb prior to that, IMO.

 

[Rayne]

Caleb tried to reach her, Marie's mom didn't allow that, and on the occasions they spoke, it's clear that she's passive aggressive with the person that cares and loves her.

Caleb convincing Daniel to commit suicide didn't help, for sure. And it's understatable she calls him a monster after that.

But that doesn't justify at all her behaviour towards Caleb prior to that, IMO.

Well, at least in one scene she says that Caleb is her only true love and after the rape scenes I felt so close to her that after completing the update she rather evokes negative feelings than love. I don't know whether the developer did it this way intentionally or not, but I'll be interested to see how it all ends.
She is the most confusing LI so far.
And yes, I don’t think she has the right to consider Caleb a monster, because in this situation Daniel was the monster and letting him get away with it would be a crime.
And yes, I don’t think that she has the right to consider Caleb a monster, because in this situation Daniel was the monster and letting him get away with it would be a crime, and if she doesn’t understand that all this was done for her (and for Caleb’s inner peace), then I don’t think that she deserves anything, because right now she’s trying to turn Caleb into a monster and that’s hypocritical.

 

[Mellt]

I'm not sure she was blaming MC. She suffered psychological trauma and needed time to recover. At the time she was not a vengeful character by nature, so MC persuading person who attacked her to commit suicide didn't help her, but rather added to her misery.

I am more furious that she didnt scream when she was about to get raped.
Every sane person would have screamed or fought back.
She tells him that she froze and couldn´t even think but that feels like a lie.
She didn´t shout his name but guilt trip him afterwards and shows him the cold shoulder.
I understand that you don´t want to be touched by other man. But the person you love the most is the rock in your life and no one you want to exclude from it.
So it seems like she wanted the bond to be broken because of his oath.
And afterwards because of her actions caleb kills his friend and almost himself.
Lilith is the reason he survived.
Makes you question if this was all planed.

 

[Jplays512]

Well, at least in one scene she says that Caleb is her only true love and after the rape scenes I felt so close to her that after completing the update she rather evokes negative feelings than love. I don't know whether the developer did it this way intentionally or not, but I'll be interested to see how it all ends.
She is the most confusing LI so far.

Honestly I get the feeling something has not been made clear between what Daniel did and why the MC got the short end of the stick.

This episode had 2 really big points made and that was MC was a monster and the bond between Marie and MC was so strong all she had to do was say his name and he would be there. I am wondering if we are going to get something where Marie tried to call for MC but he was unable to be there for her during the time she needed him most and then afterwards when she needed him again he was too stuck in his head for justice (King of Swords) that the only thing he could do was punish Daniel when what he really needed to do was heal Marie. I was really expecting something more for MC to be a monster like I get what he did is bad and he could be seen as being a Monster but it just seemed like it should have just been more.

Welp here is looking to chapter 3 when we hopefully get some more answers.

 

[N1ghtcrawler]

There’s nothing unusual about Marie’s behavior. Many victims of rape begin to distance themselves from their partners and redirect their anger and resentment toward them, even when that partner and the rapist are unrelated.

All Caleb needed to do was stay by her side, something he himself later admits. Instead, he misinterpreted her needs and made the situation about himself, which he also openly admits. At this point, trying to shift the blame onto Marie feels like mental gymnastics.

It’s also strange to treat the Marie from the backstory as the same person we see during the current events in the game. They’re quite different people.

it's clearly said she don't blame Daniel

It only means that she didn't openly blame Daniel in front of him.

 

[lovehate]

Just finished other branches, the dance scene was amazing
Interesting that on no romances path Lily gets more scenes, hope that means potential romance/ending dedicated to her (a man can dream )

 

[Jplays512]

There’s nothing unusual about Marie’s behavior. Many victims of rape begin to distance themselves from their partners and redirect their anger and resentment toward them, even when that partner and the rapist are unrelated.

All Caleb needed to do was stay by her side, something he himself later admits. Instead, he misinterpreted her needs and made the situation about himself, which he also openly admits. At this point, trying to shift the blame onto Marie feels like mental gymnastics.

It’s also strange to treat the Marie from the backstory as the same person we see during the current events in the game. They’re quite different people.

It only means that she didn't openly blame Daniel in front of him.

To be honest I look at it a bit of self hate coming from both Marie and MC. Both of them did completely human and logical reactions. Marie knows she made a rash decision and pushed away the MC when she needed him and he needed her most and then quite literally cast insanely strong magic to sever their bonds for it (with reasons of course MC went too far for his "justice").

MC lost himself to his "justice" as the King of Swords after she pushed him away from being able to be there for her. If the MC can't be there to help her then he will be there by getting "justice" for her and as the lore said about the King of Swords he had a task that needed done and he was going to get it done. I agree what Marie did is not unusual but also what MC did is not unusual and that is amplified by the fact he is the King of Swords.

Both of them were hurt two fold. The biggest one is obvious by what Daniel did and the second one is how they reacted to what he (Daniel) did. Marie pushed MC away after what happened to her and MC was lost in his drive for "justice" when she was finally at the point when she was able to receive and needing his help.

 

[Mellt]

There’s nothing unusual about Marie’s behavior. Many victims of rape begin to distance themselves from their partners and redirect their anger and resentment toward them, even when that partner and the rapist are unrelated.

All Caleb needed to do was stay by her side, something he himself later admits. Instead, he misinterpreted her needs and made the situation about himself, which he also openly admits. At this point, trying to shift the blame onto Marie feels like mental gymnastics.

It’s also strange to treat the Marie from the backstory as the same person we see during the current events in the game. They’re quite different people.

It only means that she didn't openly blame Daniel in front of him.

I think you can react in many ways but the fact that daniel didn´t even hardforce

There’s nothing unusual about Marie’s behavior. Many victims of rape begin to distance themselves from their partners and redirect their anger and resentment toward them, even when that partner and the rapist are unrelated.

All Caleb needed to do was stay by her side, something he himself later admits. Instead, he misinterpreted her needs and made the situation about himself, which he also openly admits. At this point, trying to shift the blame onto Marie feels like mental gymnastics.

It’s also strange to treat the Marie from the backstory as the same person we see during the current events in the game. They’re quite different people.

It only means that she didn't openly blame Daniel in front of him.

It is strange that you don´t question why she didn´t scream or shout his name.
Why didn´t she defend herself? And no she didn´t defend herself, daniel told caleb.
Why didn´t she go to the Police or why didn´t her Parents go to the Police.
If i would be at the parents place i would at least report that animal to the police.
He has to be punished.
So while i believe that there are some woman who will react like she did, there are there still open question which are unanswered.
It makes me furious just thinking about why she did not shout or scratch her way out.
And that she let him get away with rape.
So why is the question? Are there othere things hidden? maybe she wanted to sever there bond? or maybe she wanted caleb to kill himself.
But then lilith comes and saves him.

 

[AL.d]

Honestly I get the feeling something has not been made clear between what Daniel did and why the MC got the short end of the stick.

This episode had 2 really big points made and that was MC was a monster and the bond between Marie and MC was so strong all she had to do was say his name and he would be there. I am wondering if we are going to get something where Marie tried to call for MC but he was unable to be there for her during the time she needed him most and then afterwards when she needed him again he was too stuck in his head for justice (King of Swords) that the only thing he could do was punish Daniel when what he really needed to do was heal Marie. I was really expecting something more for MC to be a monster like I get what he did is bad and he could be seen as being a Monster but it just seemed like it should have just been more.

Welp here is looking to chapter 3 when we hopefully get some more answers.

Eh I think it's not that deep. You can already see a comment by the dev like a page back, commenting on MC being blinded by revenge. Which shows dev sees seeking revenge as the one thing that makes him a monster.

Revenge Bad is one of the most overused cliches in fiction if you ask me, but I'm not making the game.

 

[Fairlight0306]

There’s nothing unusual about Marie’s behavior. Many victims of rape begin to distance themselves from their partners and redirect their anger and resentment toward them, even when that partner and the rapist are unrelated.

All Caleb needed to do was stay by her side, something he himself later admits. Instead, he misinterpreted her needs and made the situation about himself, which he also openly admits. At this point, trying to shift the blame onto Marie feels like mental gymnastics.

It’s also strange to treat the Marie from the backstory as the same person we see during the current events in the game. They’re quite different people.

It only means that she didn't openly blame Daniel in front of him.

About rape victims i don't know so i give you the benefit of the doubt.
About Caleb needed to stay by her side : it's quite difficult if she don't want and as you said she distanced herself from her partner, your words.
I think those flashbacks are part of the story and not here just for fun, so i judge Marie for the whole package, sorry no sympathy.
And why she don't blame Daniel in front of him if i may ask? She's afraid to hurt his feelings?

 

[Rayne]

Revenge Bad is one of the most overused cliches in fiction if you ask me, but I'm not making the game.

I agree this is spread everywhere in movies, books, games we are always taught that revenge is bad but I think that in certain situations revenge can stop a greater evil that can ruin the lives of more people.
And I like that some developments allow the player to take real revenge and not like in this game.