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The way he said that made it seem like there's gonna be vanilla scenes too, maybe i'm reading too much into it tho..
I thought the same thing but it probably just means that there are "other scenes" like: Ryoka's inner monolog, Keita's thoughts, Saki's route etc.
Still, wouldn't complain IF we end up getting a Vanilla Route/Scenes.
 
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The way he said that made it seem like there's gonna be vanilla scenes too, maybe i'm reading too much into it tho..
Never bet on any fleshed out love routes in NTR games, not today not ever, it is a losing gamble. And if any evidence was needed, the above reply by the man himself settles the deal.
 

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Keep the expectations low on vanilla route scenes

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Never bet on any fleshed out love routes in NTR games, not today not ever, it is a losing gamble. And if any evidence was needed, the above reply by the man himself settles the deal.
vanilla routes are precisely why NTR games are fun

its like a "try not to corrupt" challenge, fighting your own thirst vs satiating the gamer dawg in you

I did think that they're just cucking protag in the sequel from the former pure ending, or to at-least meet with some level expectation of lewd reward. Unless of-course they finally make a third trilogy in the series where you get cucked in the vanilla route :KEK: (probably whilst being married to the mc)
 
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vanilla routes are precisely why NTR games are fun
Fully agree, which is why I think it is a shame that most NTR games don't better flesh-out and extend those vanilla routes (when they even have them in the first place).

SoS here is a prime example: the gameplay of this "love route" amounts to some lame ass crystal bumping (although I'll say that the memories themselves are decent, and loli Ryouka is hella precious), and a couple of dates that you can do. Then all we get is a 2 minute ending with one non-sex CG of the confession, a few lines of dialogue, THE END.
 
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vanilla routes are precisely why NTR games are fun

its like a "try not to corrupt" challenge, fighting your own thirst vs satiating the gamer dawg in you

I did think that they're just cucking protag in the sequel from the former pure ending, or to at-least meet with some level expectation of lewd reward. Unless of-course they finally make a third trilogy in the series where you get cucked in the vanilla route :KEK: (probably whilst being married to the mc)
I'm okay with pure vanilla route in ntr games, but I do find it cool to just play it as a challenge of no one else getting the girl than me and the sex is just an the end of the game, a way of proveing that she isn't a slut that sleep with anyone that seduce her to it just for the heat of the moment, but because she fell in love in the whole journey of the vanilla route and at the end they make it.
 

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I'm okay with pure vanilla route in ntr games, but I do find it cool to just play it as a challenge of no one else getting the girl than me and the sex is just an the end of the game, a way of proveing that she isn't a slut that sleep with anyone that seduce her to it just for the heat of the moment, but because she fell in love in the whole journey of the vanilla route and at the end they make it.
yeah that's kind of the idea , first game's end was kind of worth it because you had a big sequence where she drags you to the beach and you get a nice wholesome "memory" as a reward.
 

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Fully agree, which is why I think it is a shame that most NTR games don't better flesh-out and extend those vanilla routes (when they even have them in the first place).

SoS here is a prime example: the gameplay of this "love route" amounts to some lame ass crystal bumping (although I'll say that the memories themselves are decent, and loli Ryouka is hella precious), and a couple of dates that you can do. Then all we get is a 2 minute ending with one non-sex CG of the confession, a few lines of dialogue, THE END.
LOL yeah those crystals were a bit retarded!

I love the SNS system too, currently I see this game inspiring works like this and
, if i recall, them being the most similar to scars of summer. Latter one falls short because its too easy to avoid the corruption route, but it plays out nice as a RPG maker dungeon grinder game (which kinda gets tiring at some point)
 
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As for me , I dont really care much about the vanilla route of ntr games, unless it can hook me into it. Why would I even bother playing the vanilla when I already know the outcome of it , that the mc and heroine has a strong bond, and that they will live happily ever after in that route.

I prefer to seek the hidden sex scenes, depravity and corruption when playing ntr games. Anyway, that's just my own opinion about the matter. In the end, we all have different takes. That's why for me, the vanilla route of SoS is ok, it doesnt need to have sex scenes in it.
 
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NTR Knight is a game that I think does the challenge of the vanilla route well. It gives you scenes that are great, and also are animated in various different settings along with a good end where you feel good playing as the MC. Throughout you still have to keep on your toes and shut down the other NTR routes though, so it’s not just playing things out with no intrigue.
Even if another NTR route starts you can technically out fuck the other guys by keeping Artel more pleased with you and thus getting a good ending anyway. Outmaneuver Beach also has good vanilla routes, but the problem is that the NTR routes never progress unless you activate them.

So long as the MC doesn’t suck I feel like a vanilla route can be a fun way to complete the game first.
 
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LOL yeah those crystals were a bit retarded!

I love the SNS system too, currently I see this game inspiring works like this and
, if i recall, them being the most similar to scars of summer. Latter one falls short because its too easy to avoid the corruption route, but it plays out nice as a RPG maker dungeon grinder game (which kinda gets tiring at some point)
This Luna NTR is a great game, but it has a very lazy ending and all the same scenes. But other than that, it's a great game
 

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LOL yeah those crystals were a bit retarded!

I love the SNS system too, currently I see this game inspiring works like this and
, if i recall, them being the most similar to scars of summer. Latter one falls short because its too easy to avoid the corruption route, but it plays out nice as a RPG maker dungeon grinder game (which kinda gets tiring at some point)
Does these two games that you've recommended have threads here on f95? Can't see to find them, with english TL.
 

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The other one is being translated by archedio atm. Here's the thread for it:
https://f95zone.to/threads/translat...datta-gaonnaninatta-wo-ete-rj01123284.186962/

If Im not mistaken , game is female mc. Just in case you're not into that kind of ntr. I feel like this game will be a decent one, and I'm eager to play this once it's finished being tled.
The game actually switches a bit between male and female MC, the vast majority of the game is primarily like SoS, Male Prespective, and just like the gem cave that you mentioned having nice memories, this game has a computer interaction based unlockables based on hints and interactions throughout different times.

One could use a hook program like mtool to translate that game, the resources are avaliable on the thread you mentioned along with users posting picture translations too, so the game's fully translated as far as im concerned. But it really is 90% closest to SoS/


As for me , I dont really care much about the vanilla route of ntr games, unless it can hook me into it. Why would I even bother playing the vanilla when I already know the outcome of it , that the mc and heroine has a strong bond, and that they will live happily ever after in that route.

I prefer to seek the hidden sex scenes, depravity and corruption when playing ntr games. Anyway, that's just my own opinion about the matter. In the end, we all have different takes. That's why for me, the vanilla route of SoS is ok, it doesnt need to have sex scenes in it.
Its really like any JRPG, different ending picking and the intrigue of choice and consequnce and all. I prefer going the vanilla route the first run, just for the sake of efficency. I can just get back to save scumming for all the other choices.
The corruption route only tastes sweeter the more "Pure" you can keep the main love interest :KEK:


I prefer to be challenged in the vanilla route, unlike that Luna NTR that we mentioned where you have to actively engage , how the definition goes- Netorase or whatever, however in that game mc gets action from other women too, where you can deliberately avoid it through a choice of yes or no(loyality with no real consequence).
 

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One could use a hook program like mtool to translate that game, the resources are avaliable on the thread you mentioned along with users posting picture translations too, so the game's fully translated as far as im concerned. But it really is 90% closest to SoS/
I prefer waiting for the compete tl. I know how to use mtool ,textractor , OCR and other similar apps. If someone is doing a cleaner tl version , I would rather wait for that than go with my own, unless Im really that desperate.


Its really like any JRPG, different ending picking and the intrigue of choice and consequnce and all. I prefer going the vanilla route the first run, just for the sake of efficency. I can just get back to save scumming for all the other choices.
The corruption route only tastes sweeter the more "Pure" you can keep the main love interest :KEK:


I prefer to be challenged in the vanilla route, unlike that Luna NTR that we mentioned where you have to actively engage , how the definition goes- Netorase or whatever, however in that game mc gets action from other women too, where you can deliberately avoid it through a choice of yes or no(loyality with no real consequence).
I've seen most vanilla routes in ntrpg games that has it and there's really nothing new about it. It's like knowing the ending of a movie before even watching it , and I have no interest in such things anymore. When it comes to ntrpgs, I already get the context. Mc is loyal, mc gets the girl of his dreams despite all the trials thrown at him. Mc and Heroine gets happy ending. I cant be bothered with it anymore. I just go to the ntr route where things can get spicy compared to the mushy cushy vanilla route.
 

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I prefer waiting for the compete tl. I know how to use mtool ,textractor , OCR and other similar apps. If someone is doing a cleaner tl version , I would rather wait for that than go with my own, unless Im really that desperate.




I've seen most vanilla routes in ntrpg games that has it and there's really nothing new about it. It's like knowing the ending of a movie before even watching it , and I have no interest in such things anymore. When it comes to ntrpgs, I already get the context. Mc is loyal, mc gets the girl of his dreams despite all the trials thrown at him. Mc and Heroine gets happy ending. I cant be bothered with it anymore. I just go to the ntr route where things can get spicy compared to the mushy cushy vanilla route.
Eh, NTR route is more or less getting a recollection room and clicking the unlock to view the images, heck post-game i would just decrypt the CGs to find if there's any hidden scene im missing or anything that was left place holder lol

that scars of summer part 2 demo also has some images that are not shown in the demo itself in its pictures decrypted.

I'd rather just get a workable translation and play the game with context enough to understand the meaning of the phrases and dialog. Ain't doing no doctorate analysis in literature here lul, in the past i've gotten in games without no translations whatsoever and perfectly understood them through playing and testing, still better than lingering around months to years for a total translation is to just play and be done with it (not to undervalue or undermine the effort and work people put into translating though!)
 

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Eh, NTR route is more or less getting a recollection room and clicking the unlock to view the images, heck post-game i would just decrypt the CGs to find if there's any hidden scene im missing or anything that was left place holder lol

that scars of summer part 2 demo also has some images that are not shown in the demo itself in its pictures decrypted.

I'd rather just get a workable translation and play the game with context enough to understand the meaning of the phrases and dialog. Ain't doing no doctorate analysis in literature here lul, in the past i've gotten in games without no translations whatsoever and perfectly understood them through playing and testing, still better than lingering around months to years for a total translation is to just play and be done with it (not to undervalue or undermine the effort and work people put into translating though!)
I mean, if you compare it to the vanilla route, ntr route is always better. Vanilla route has no scenes or lack there of. It's pretty much predictable. At least in the ntr route , you'll get scenes from it and like I said, I prefer seeing the depravity and corruption. If I want to enjoy vanilla, I'll just simply play vanilla games (which I do) .Im not looking for true love story in ntr games.

You do you man. I'm a patient man , I prefer waiting for a cleaner tl in my hentai games. I even waited months just to play the Kagura version of the game Winter Memories even though theres a very nice mtl released. I've used those tools for a long time as well to know the nuances and understand some context of it. (Im still using those tools esp when Im playing new hentai VNs as I know , there's a low probabilty that hentai VNs will get TLed)

But right now ,Like I said , I can use those apps if Im that desperate . Luckily dazedamon's gpt mtl is always in good quality and most of the games I want to play is being mtled by him.

Anyway, to end this discussion , play however you want, and I'll do the same .
 

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Never bet on any fleshed out love routes in NTR games, not today not ever, it is a losing gamble. And if any evidence was needed, the above reply by the man himself settles the deal.
Oh I didn't have any expectations in the first play, I really don't mind NTR, but reading all the comments right after your reply was my point exactly, having a vanilla route could be nice to some extent, not that i'll cry and complain if there's none you know, just a (kinda) cool variation if given
 
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