VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

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jadepaladin

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A whole year for this update and I didn't noticed any new contents at all, it finishes at the same place, very disappointed, hope the other game ain't the same.
If you're like the 90% of other people that had this problem, you probably have an i-patch installed. Since there's not a new i-patch for chapter 4 (and probably won't be for a while, if ever), the story stops at the end of the patch. To get chapter 4, you need a install that doesn't have the patch, and a clean save. Chapters 1-3 have some reworked dialogue to address the removal of incest from the plot.
 

Maccabbee

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Is not about more people, is about their people, people loyal to the Zanes and not the Aranos. Yeah, I get that they are allied but still. What is preveting Joe to just take all over ? Force is power in this world, and the Zanes have none. Is one thing to use the motoclub to do the dirty work and as cannon fodder but is another don't have personal of your own.

Yeah, the family took a blow but it seems like they still are the major players in Wollust, or that is the Italian Uncle?




Just take off the mods mu dude
What do you net see about them all being one family? Scarlett would cut his balls off and feed them to him if Joe pulled that shit.
 

Maccabbee

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I'm kinda like... how long has Joey Arano been in prison?

Surely, it's been at least a decade because all his employees seem to have forgotten he's the boss and now worship at the alter of Princess Leia.

Was Joey just the frontman for the Zane crime family?
I think it's only been a few years, but they do mention somewhere in the game. Leia is his "neice" sort of, and he had her take over while he was in. There were battles with the Krayts after that.
 

dameromexxx

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You're making me angry all over again...

That William render still pisses me off. I just wanna bash his skull in with a socket wrench (get it? :p) while I ask him calmly:
"WHY THE FUCK DID YOU COME BACK THEN YOU BRAINDEAD MONKEY?!?!!?!?"

And he replies as every bone in his face breaks and he drowns in blood:
"Ma....Maf.....ia....Mafia reasons.."
I propose another change to the scenario: simply change the mafia to a dictatorship or a cult. You could then argue it was simple brainwashing from a young age. I even have a very catchy porn name for the leader.

"Big Member Dylan"
 

Mars_ixv

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So can you not play this with a Ipatch anymore? I'm not even a big fan of it but after playing the original, it made no sense without a patch and now I don't know how to play it without Leia and William being twins. Taking out the patch might have killed this game for me if so.
 

minibaer12

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So can you not play this with a Ipatch anymore? I'm not even a big fan of it but after playing the original, it made no sense without a patch and now I don't know how to play it without Leia and William being twins. Taking out the patch might have killed this game for me if so.
Fact 1: The original has absolutely nothing in common with today's story, apart from the characters, and is IRRELEVANT!
Fact 2: Ocean wants to sell his VN, and the sales platforms don't tolerate incest.
Fact 3: Ocean shows little to no consideration for our wishes.

Now, regarding your opinion that the story doesn't make sense to you just because William and Leia are no longer siblings. I have to tell you that you're asking the wrong question. We know that about 20 or 30 years ago, there was a mafia war in which at least four people lost their lives. This raises the first question: What was the cause and who was involved? As a result of this conflict, Helen took William and Leia in. Here's the second question: Why?

It's well known that people can be quite vindictive in mafia circles, and rivalry is part of everyday business. Is there a possibility that the conflict from back then continues to have repercussions today?
 
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Dr.TSoni

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Too cloae to incest, Ocean is not given anyone any reasons, and that is the problem. William was never a Zane but they are in fact his family, I would fucking love a scene where William has to confront that, give this relationship deepth beyond mafia, is where Ocean shines and could be great but I think it still would be to close to something he dosen't want to be associated anymore and in turn we ger this something that is netiher.

Edit: Meaning they are not a mafia family but also are not a normal family. Those are things that he can workout that this update did not even tried to, it was just to make sure that William was not fucking his sister or mom or cousin or aunt. The only way it would be more clear was if Ocean slaped me with Patreon and SS ToS.
I imagine this is Ocean's motivation, but he has to find a balance between the mafia and their interpersonal relationships. Otherwise, William's return seems out of nowhere, and every cute/affectionate moment (which I adore, by the way) feels out of place.

1. The MC gang is their main enforcers and they are scattered without Joe. I assume Leia has a bunch of them in Joe's businesses.
That they are allies is clear, but there should be men loyal to Helen (or Dylan)

3. Dylan's comment is that too much security would make it impossible to trap whoever is stalking the house, which is how he plans to find out what the fuck is going on. Is that bright? NO, but it's his plan. He is pretty tough, and has a shotgun. There's been no gunplay before. He figured it's low-risk. OOPS.
Dylan's plan is understandable: he appears weak in order to lure some of the attackers into a trap and track down the mastermind. The problem is that the Zanes don't appear weak, they are.

Any known reason for that?
Ocean has rewritten the story to eliminate and discourage any form of incest within it. So the mod should not change some terms like landlady and roommate but basically rewrite the story.

Helen took William and Leia in. Here's the second question: Why?
I think Ocean wants you to be satisfied as an answer that they thought they couldn't have children
 

John972

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thats kind of sad first 3 chapters made so much sense of them being biological family... then chapter 4 hit and turns it on its head. Yes i know Ocean wants to sell it and most platforms frown on it. Just feels like two different stories now... kinda makes me feel sad in the end.
As much as people think the original story made sense, it didn't.

If William feared the repercussions from his "inappropriate" relationship with Leia being discovered, then why the hell didn't he take her with him when he fled?
 
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Dr.TSoni

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As much as people think the original story made sense, it didn't.

If William feared the repercussions from his "inappropriate" relationship with Leia being discovered, then why the hell didn't he take her with him when he fled?
That is easily explained by the fact that he was a immature little shit. Anyway no WiaB was never the Lord of the Rings, it was simply easier to understand.
 
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yossa999

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That is easily explained by the fact that he was a immature little shit. Anyway no WiaB was never the Lord of the Rings, it was simply easier to understand.
If anything, it's not an answer to you personally, Doc. I'll just use your post as a starting point.

Damn. Fuck. Shite. Fucking soggy popslices.
I can't believe they're still arguing about the plausibility and reasonability of the teenage MC's actions in WiAB.

Right here, right now, in this fucking thread, despite the game page being updated, the release date being updated on the first page, and says that release was at 2025-07-04. Despite the changelog being posted announcing over 4,000 new renders, despite all the updated information on Steam and GoG. Fuck, despite all of this, there are still people who writing "I launched the game and there's nothing new. Stupid Ocean hasn't done anything in a year. I'm so disappointed."

Didn't it even occur to them that there might be something wrong with their game installation? That maybe they should look for a solution in the thread. I understand that it's hard to do, the whole thread is covered in monkey shit of the mafia mockers. But still, the search function works.

As a last resort, you can ask for the hundredth time "Guys, maybe this has already been answered, but I can't find a solution. For some reason I don't see any new content in the game. What could it be?" Well, at least that's it, it's completely normal if you can't use the search.

No, the fucking conclusion is obvious and doesn't require any verification. Ocean hasn't done anything in a year and there was no release either. "I looked down my pants today and they were covered in shit. Damn you Ocean, what kind of writer are you after that?"

We're observing a clear idiocy happening in real life, in real time. The complete lack of ability to analyze and perceive information from people who have confirmed that they are adults when they signed up for the site. Yet you continue to criticize Ocean for the irrational actions of a fictional protagonist in a fantasy story who was 16 years old at the time of the events.

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