VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[Maviarab]

I had similar thoughts playing this route. But Ocean is consistent that cheating is not Miru's nature, so I don't think they have fuck. There are different opitions of the open relationship one where you have to approve any sexual activity and one where you just approve penetration, the cab scene exist but it not being in the script says something, maybe Ocean thought it didn't fit the character. I do think that Miru NTR route is closer than we might think but was only 3 days with out sex, if that was enough she would have cheated before.

100% this completely.

The developer can shove his game where the sun doesn't shine...the fact that he removed the MC's relationship with everyone is a complete turn-off. For a long time, the game was among my top three picks. Now it's just a rusty oil can in another dimension.

Oh take a running jump.

 

[RNasc4444]

Hey, any idea if you're updating the Ipatch soon?

Check this thread out and see if it is what you're looking for or not https://f95zone.to/threads/where-it-all-began-season-1-the-uncut-edition-v1-0-alain8891.262247/

 

[Acsuka]

Well the changes affected only plot not characters, I didn't see any change in the update that would make think different of Miru. Yeah, but the things is that the render was cut, Ocean didn't use this render, as for his reasons who can tell ? Finally you would be right if this was a fuck fest where women lost reason at the sigth of a cock and the reworks didn't do that and the when id absolutely important, I even like the agle that she lets things go more far than she said to William I just don't think there was fucking involved

It's okay to disagree on certain things. We are people who think in many different ways. Just imagine the chaos on earth if all men only liked redheads. Everyone wanted to be the pack leader. And as I mentioned at the end of my very first long comment: These are just theories that I have in my head. One thing is for sure: I don't believe a word Ocean says anymore, no matter what he says on any forum.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Just imagine the chaos on earth if all men only liked redheads

A better world

 

[Maviarab]

Just imagine the chaos on earth if all men only liked redheads. Everyone wanted to be the pack leader.

Sorry, but the guy with the biggest helmet always wins

 

[LHDLLB]

Just imagine the chaos on earth if all men only liked redheads.

Peace among the men is what we would get

 

[RNasc4444]

Well the changes affected only plot not characters, I didn't see any change in the update that would make think different of Miru.

Completely disagree here. The plot changes made characters act differently to what we have seen from them before. As a direct consequence of the plot changes. I lost all interest in Katie and Miru after this update because I felt like they were no longer quite the same characters that chapter 3 had presented.

Take Miru at the bar for example. Without any input from the player she went further than her character had gone before. She didn't just assist in the shakedown of the bar owner. She went above and beyond what Emilio and his goons would have done by threatening him the way she did. I don't think I need to provide any Katie example. Basically any conversation with her in chapter 4 shows the shift her character suffered.

 

[LHDLLB]

Completely disagree here. The plot changes made characters act differently to what we have seen from them before. As a direct consequence of the plot changes. I lost all interest in Katie and Miru after this update because I felt like they were no longer quite the same characters that chapter 3 had presented.

Take Miru at the bar for example. Without any input from the player she went further than her character had gone before. She didn't just assist in the shakedown of the bar owner. She went above and beyond what Emilio and his goons would have done by threatening him the way she did. I don't think I need to provide any Katie example. Basically any conversation with her in chapter 4 shows the shift her character suffered.

Diagree is fine. I don't have much problem with this Miru scene, it has not go agaist any information we had of her before, I don't see how it can be related to the change in plot, is simply a side of her character that was not show prior to Ch4, kinda like William mirror render.

 

[Acsuka]

I don't think I need to provide any Katie example. Basically any conversation with her in chapter 4 shows the shift her character suffered.

I understand what you're saying perfectly. Every time she threatens Will, I mean it. This girl is a ticking time bomb, ready to destroy everything and everyone...

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I understand what you're saying perfectly. Every time she threatens Will, I mean it. This girl is a ticking time bomb, ready to destroy everything and everyone...

More than anything, being angry with your older brother for always ignoring you is understandable. But being angry with William for ignoring her when not doing so would have put him on the mafia's shit list...

 

[RNasc4444]

I understand what you're saying perfectly. Every time she threatens Will, I mean it. This girl is a ticking time bomb, ready to destroy everything and everyone...

Exactly! The playful brother-sister banter is gone. The teasing no longer makes sense. With all the mafia garbage in the background the only way their dynamic makes sense anymore is if they hate each other. It's if they see each other as rivals and adversaries. And Katie is threatened by William's return and standing with the families. She is especially threatened by his sway over Leia, given she still needs something from her.

So yeah, moving forward the only thing that makes sense to me is for Willi and Katie to be on a full unabashed hate-hate situation.

 

[RNasc4444]

More than anything, being angry with your older brother for always ignoring you is understandable. But being angry with William for ignoring her when not doing so would have put him on the mafia's shit list...

He isn't her older brother anymore. Never was, never will be. All those little nuances are gone.

 

[Acsuka]

Exactly! The playful brother-sister banter is gone. The teasing no longer makes sense. With all the mafia garbage in the background the only way their dynamic makes sense anymore is if they hate each other. It's if they see each other as rivals and adversaries. And Katie is threatened by William's return and standing with the families. She is especially threatened by his sway over Leia, given she still needs something from her.

So yeah, moving forward the only thing that makes sense to me is for Willi and Katie to be on a full unabashed hate-hate situation.

And then comes the "anger sex"...
Katie: Not inside, not inside...ohohoh
Will: Sorry I couldn't hold it back, it was too good...
Katie: (angrily) I'll tell everyone...
Will: I don't care what you say...

 

[LHDLLB]

More than anything, being angry with your older brother for always ignoring you is understandable. But being angry with William for ignoring her when not doing so would have put him on the mafia's shit list...

Exactly! The playful brother-sister banter is gone. The teasing no longer makes sense. With all the mafia garbage in the background the only way their dynamic makes sense anymore is if they hate each other. It's if they see each other as rivals and adversaries. And Katie is threatened by William's return and standing with the families. She is especially threatened by his sway over Leia, given she still needs something from her.

So yeah, moving forward the only thing that makes sense to me is for Willi and Katie to be on a full unabashed hate-hate situation.

I largely agree, Ocean has to make the leg work to explajn this things, I don't think is dead in the water yet but it certainly is a difficult task. I think more flashback is needed for us understand what was the dynamics in the Zanes house and the first chapthers need to be rewritten to reflect the change. As it is... things don't hold much water I am just postponing judgement until the end of the season and if Ocean did not make sense of the mess then I will cry about it

 

[Dr.TSoni]

He isn't her older brother anymore. Never was, never will be. All those little nuances are gone.

What I meant, now Katie doesn't have much basis on which to criticize Willy; with a criminal organization whispering in his ear that they'll exile or castrate him if he looks at Katie too much.

 

[RNasc4444]

And then comes the "anger sex"...
Katie: Not inside, not inside...ohohoh
Will: Sorry I couldn't hold it back, it was too good...
Katie: (angrily) I'll tell everyone...
Will: I don't care what you say...

Got no reactions left again

Hey! No sexy time! The mob dudes will exile him or worse, cut off his tool

I largely agree, Ocean has to make the leg work to explajn this things, I don't think is dead in the water yet but it certainly is a difficult task. I think more flashback is needed for us understand what was the dynamics in the Zanes house and the first chapthers need to be rewritten to reflect the change. As it is... things don't hold much water I am just postponing judgement until the end of the season and if Ocean did not make sense of the mess then I will cry about it

Yeah that's fair but if we keep having to wait for Ocean to "fix" things...it's kinda hard to enjoy what he releases.

To me it all feels off. I don't get the same closeness between them with this new dynamic. It feels more like lust and jealousy than love and teasing. And the things she threatens him with are proof of that. Like who gives a flying fuck what the mafia thinks, says or does. 8 years went by without them giving a fuck. What's different now? It just feels like they're playing each other and using each other for their own goals. There's no sense of loyalty, duty or deeper bond between family members.

What I meant, now Katie doesn't have much basis on which to criticize Willy; with a criminal organization whispering in his ear that they'll exile or castrate him if he looks at Katie too much.

I understood I was just being a little flippant
I think that shows she really doesn't care much about him. She's trying to manipulate and use him for her own goals. Or she is just a braindead toddler in the body of an adult and doesn't even realize the consequences of the shit she's saying. Hard to tell rn.

 

[Maccabbee]

What I meant, now Katie doesn't have much basis on which to criticize Willy; with a criminal organization whispering in his ear that they'll exile or castrate him if he looks at Katie too much.

Ummmm... "clip" doesn't mean "castrate" with the mob. It means you join Luca Brazzi and "sleep with the fishes".

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Ummmm... "clip" doesn't mean "castrate" with the mob. It means you join Luca Brazzi and "sleep with the fishes".

To end up sleeping with the fishes for having slept with the fish, it's almost poetic. XD

 

[Acsuka]

Got no reactions left again

Hey! No sexy time! The mob dudes will exile him or worse, cut off his tool

Hmmm maybe we can continue the conversation then...
Katie: If the mafia finds out about this, they'll cut off your dick...
Will: It's possible, but at least I fucked you first, and maybe we'll have a child together in "SG"...
Katie: Idiot... well, go on, now it's my ass' turn...
Will: Of course, I was just about to suggest...
Katie: Come on, what are you waiting for?
Will: Hmm, can it go inside your ass too?
Katie: Oh my God, you're such an idiot, you're filling me up, okay, let's not get the bed dirty...

 

[John972]

I had similar thoughts playing this route. But Ocean is consistent that cheating is not Miru's nature, so I don't think they have fuck. There are different opitions of the open relationship one where you have to approve any sexual activity and one where you just approve penetration, the cab scene exist but it not being in the script says something, maybe Ocean thought it didn't fit the character. I do think that Miru NTR route is closer than we might think but was only 3 days with out sex, if that was enough she would have cheated before.

I Agree!

Ocean took out the scene of Miru getting fingered in the cab and then later getting spoofed on my the Krayt guy, but we don't know the full context of that scene because it was never coded into the script.

The mod adds it in with Miru's call to William. Who's to say that's where the scene was intended to be? Who's to say the Miru/William telephone dialogues wouldn't be different if those renders were present.

What's clear from the unmodded Steam script is that Miru getting heavy with the Krayt guy in Ch 4 is dependent on her having the bathroom NTR scene in Ch 3. The bathroom NTR scene is dependent on a bunch of variables in Chs 1 - 3 (Global NTR on / Suggesting then reaffirming open relationship with Miru / keeping Miru horny / Agreeing in bathroom on universal poundy coupon).

People said the bathroom NTR was gone from the game. It's not. The Ch 3 bathroom Miru NTR scene is still in the unmodded Steam release, and Ch 4 topless Miru telling Will over the phone about getting felt up by the Krayt guy is still in the unmodded Steam release. They are both dependent on Ch 3 Miru/William agreeing to Miru getting a universal poundy coupon, redeemable by men other than William.

All that's missing are the six renders (named q5 to q10) showing Miru getting initimate with the Krayt guy. I think we have no context to those renders other than them likely only getting triggered by William agreeing in Ch 3 to Miru having fun with other men...

Thus, the way the mod introduces those missing lewd renders makes it look like Miru is deceiving William. I think that's disingenuous for the reasons outlined above.