VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[Acsuka]

Good, 'cause nothing would make me rage quit faster. Miru is MY LIFE!!!

Yeah, so the point is that throughout the story, if you always have sex with Miru when you have the chance, there's no sexual frustration. So Miru is happy and content with her relationship...

 

[Maccabbee]

Yeah, so the point is that throughout the story, if you always have sex with Miru when you have the chance, there's no sexual frustration. So Miru is happy and content with her relationship...

Yeah, as you might guess from my reaction, I always have sex with Miru. No matter what other path, it's a given. I even enable NTR, just to keep my on track with her, because I would hate NTR.

 

[LHDLLB]

I linked the mentioned picture a little higher in spoiler. In the NTR route, when Miru and Will are talking on the phone, Miru literally says: "I let him play with my tits for a bit". But you can see in the picture that it's not just tits, and that Miru is not completely honest. If this picture had been included in this dialogue, then everyone would have immediately known that Miru was lying. But Ocean doesn't want to immediately reveal Miru's cheating to the players, not even in the NTR route. When they talk, Miru is naked, and in my opinion, by this time she has already fucked the krayt guy, who is still in the apartment. Look at her eyes and body language in every picture, it gives it away. But maybe no one notices this, because everyone only reads Miru's body and the dialogue. This is mainly due to Ocean's visuals, since in almost every picture in the game the characters get a sharp and clear image, but the background is always blurry and not clear. This is what happens in these pictures, it's a bit dark, Miru's body is sharp and clear, but the background is usually blurry. However, if you give the picture a little brightness and sharpen the image a little, I think the answer is there. Miru is not alone in the apartment, and someone is sitting on the couch. And if this is true, then it's understandable why Miru says at the end of the scene: "I'm tired"...
And now don't judge me, because this is just my theory...

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I had similar thoughts playing this route. But Ocean is consistent that cheating is not Miru's nature, so I don't think they have fuck. There are different opitions of the open relationship one where you have to approve any sexual activity and one where you just approve penetration, the cab scene exist but it not being in the script says something, maybe Ocean thought it didn't fit the character. I do think that Miru NTR route is closer than we might think but was only 3 days with out sex, if that was enough she would have cheated before.

 

[AdultFunGamer]

The developer can shove his game where the sun doesn't shine...the fact that he removed the MC's relationship with everyone is a complete turn-off. For a long time, the game was among my top three picks. Now it's just a rusty oil can in another dimension.

 

[Acsuka]

I had similar thoughts playing this route. But Ocean is consistent that cheating is not Miru's nature, so I don't think they have fuck. There are different opitions of the open relationship one where you have to approve any sexual activity and one where you just approve penetration, the cab scene exist but it not being in the script says something, maybe Ocean thought it didn't fit the character. I do think that Miru NTR route is closer than we might think but was only 3 days with out sex, if that was enough she would have cheated before.

As written under your comment, Ocean had the "courage" to rewrite the story. For years, everyone was happy with the family relationships, because that's what made the game even more special. So if he removed that, why can't he do something he said before (Miru is not a cheating type). And I think the taxi driver scene fits this character perfectly in this scene. We're talking about the NTR route, so who will cheat on Will if he's not with anyone else but Miru? And finally, this is a porn site where millions of irrational decisions are made in games. So when exactly Miru cheats on Will - is irrelevant. Now was the perfect opportunity.

 

[LHDLLB]

As written under your comment, Ocean had the "courage" to rewrite the story. For years, everyone was happy with the family relationships, because that's what made the game even more special. So if he removed that, why can't he do something he said before (Miru is not a cheating type). And I think the taxi driver scene fits this character perfectly in this scene. We're talking about the NTR route, so who will cheat on Will if he's not with anyone else but Miru? And finally, this is a porn site where millions of irrational decisions are made in games. So when exactly Miru cheats on Will - is irrelevant. Now was the perfect opportunity.

Well the changes affected only plot not characters, I didn't see any change in the update that would make think different of Miru. Yeah, but the things is that the render was cut, Ocean didn't use this render, as for his reasons who can tell ? Finally you would be right if this was a fuck fest where women lost reason at the sigth of a cock and the reworks didn't do that and the when id absolutely important, I even like the agle that she lets things go more far than she said to William I just don't think there was fucking involved

 

[Maviarab]

I had similar thoughts playing this route. But Ocean is consistent that cheating is not Miru's nature, so I don't think they have fuck. There are different opitions of the open relationship one where you have to approve any sexual activity and one where you just approve penetration, the cab scene exist but it not being in the script says something, maybe Ocean thought it didn't fit the character. I do think that Miru NTR route is closer than we might think but was only 3 days with out sex, if that was enough she would have cheated before.

100% this completely.

The developer can shove his game where the sun doesn't shine...the fact that he removed the MC's relationship with everyone is a complete turn-off. For a long time, the game was among my top three picks. Now it's just a rusty oil can in another dimension.

Oh take a running jump.

 

[RNasc4444]

Hey, any idea if you're updating the Ipatch soon?

Check this thread out and see if it is what you're looking for or not https://f95zone.to/threads/where-it-all-began-season-1-the-uncut-edition-v1-0-alain8891.262247/

 

[Acsuka]

Well the changes affected only plot not characters, I didn't see any change in the update that would make think different of Miru. Yeah, but the things is that the render was cut, Ocean didn't use this render, as for his reasons who can tell ? Finally you would be right if this was a fuck fest where women lost reason at the sigth of a cock and the reworks didn't do that and the when id absolutely important, I even like the agle that she lets things go more far than she said to William I just don't think there was fucking involved

It's okay to disagree on certain things. We are people who think in many different ways. Just imagine the chaos on earth if all men only liked redheads. Everyone wanted to be the pack leader. And as I mentioned at the end of my very first long comment: These are just theories that I have in my head. One thing is for sure: I don't believe a word Ocean says anymore, no matter what he says on any forum.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Just imagine the chaos on earth if all men only liked redheads

A better world

 

[Maviarab]

Just imagine the chaos on earth if all men only liked redheads. Everyone wanted to be the pack leader.

Sorry, but the guy with the biggest helmet always wins

 

[LHDLLB]

Just imagine the chaos on earth if all men only liked redheads.

Peace among the men is what we would get

 

[RNasc4444]

Well the changes affected only plot not characters, I didn't see any change in the update that would make think different of Miru.

Completely disagree here. The plot changes made characters act differently to what we have seen from them before. As a direct consequence of the plot changes. I lost all interest in Katie and Miru after this update because I felt like they were no longer quite the same characters that chapter 3 had presented.

Take Miru at the bar for example. Without any input from the player she went further than her character had gone before. She didn't just assist in the shakedown of the bar owner. She went above and beyond what Emilio and his goons would have done by threatening him the way she did. I don't think I need to provide any Katie example. Basically any conversation with her in chapter 4 shows the shift her character suffered.

 

[LHDLLB]

Completely disagree here. The plot changes made characters act differently to what we have seen from them before. As a direct consequence of the plot changes. I lost all interest in Katie and Miru after this update because I felt like they were no longer quite the same characters that chapter 3 had presented.

Take Miru at the bar for example. Without any input from the player she went further than her character had gone before. She didn't just assist in the shakedown of the bar owner. She went above and beyond what Emilio and his goons would have done by threatening him the way she did. I don't think I need to provide any Katie example. Basically any conversation with her in chapter 4 shows the shift her character suffered.

Diagree is fine. I don't have much problem with this Miru scene, it has not go agaist any information we had of her before, I don't see how it can be related to the change in plot, is simply a side of her character that was not show prior to Ch4, kinda like William mirror render.

 

[Acsuka]

I don't think I need to provide any Katie example. Basically any conversation with her in chapter 4 shows the shift her character suffered.

I understand what you're saying perfectly. Every time she threatens Will, I mean it. This girl is a ticking time bomb, ready to destroy everything and everyone...

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I understand what you're saying perfectly. Every time she threatens Will, I mean it. This girl is a ticking time bomb, ready to destroy everything and everyone...

More than anything, being angry with your older brother for always ignoring you is understandable. But being angry with William for ignoring her when not doing so would have put him on the mafia's shit list...

 

[RNasc4444]

I understand what you're saying perfectly. Every time she threatens Will, I mean it. This girl is a ticking time bomb, ready to destroy everything and everyone...

Exactly! The playful brother-sister banter is gone. The teasing no longer makes sense. With all the mafia garbage in the background the only way their dynamic makes sense anymore is if they hate each other. It's if they see each other as rivals and adversaries. And Katie is threatened by William's return and standing with the families. She is especially threatened by his sway over Leia, given she still needs something from her.

So yeah, moving forward the only thing that makes sense to me is for Willi and Katie to be on a full unabashed hate-hate situation.

 

[RNasc4444]

More than anything, being angry with your older brother for always ignoring you is understandable. But being angry with William for ignoring her when not doing so would have put him on the mafia's shit list...

He isn't her older brother anymore. Never was, never will be. All those little nuances are gone.

 

[Acsuka]

Exactly! The playful brother-sister banter is gone. The teasing no longer makes sense. With all the mafia garbage in the background the only way their dynamic makes sense anymore is if they hate each other. It's if they see each other as rivals and adversaries. And Katie is threatened by William's return and standing with the families. She is especially threatened by his sway over Leia, given she still needs something from her.

So yeah, moving forward the only thing that makes sense to me is for Willi and Katie to be on a full unabashed hate-hate situation.

And then comes the "anger sex"...
Katie: Not inside, not inside...ohohoh
Will: Sorry I couldn't hold it back, it was too good...
Katie: (angrily) I'll tell everyone...
Will: I don't care what you say...

 

[LHDLLB]

More than anything, being angry with your older brother for always ignoring you is understandable. But being angry with William for ignoring her when not doing so would have put him on the mafia's shit list...

Exactly! The playful brother-sister banter is gone. The teasing no longer makes sense. With all the mafia garbage in the background the only way their dynamic makes sense anymore is if they hate each other. It's if they see each other as rivals and adversaries. And Katie is threatened by William's return and standing with the families. She is especially threatened by his sway over Leia, given she still needs something from her.

So yeah, moving forward the only thing that makes sense to me is for Willi and Katie to be on a full unabashed hate-hate situation.

I largely agree, Ocean has to make the leg work to explajn this things, I don't think is dead in the water yet but it certainly is a difficult task. I think more flashback is needed for us understand what was the dynamics in the Zanes house and the first chapthers need to be rewritten to reflect the change. As it is... things don't hold much water I am just postponing judgement until the end of the season and if Ocean did not make sense of the mess then I will cry about it